I think you can replace all social media with a decentralized version, except YouTube. Reason is cost and monetization.
It’s like replacing Amazon for online shopping. Even a coalition of every competitor couldn’t touch YouTube.
It’s probably easier to replace Amazon than YouTube. Free streaming services don’t make money, YouTube loses money, Twitch loses money, Kick loses money, the Microsoft one before it died was losing money. If it’s free to watch it loses money, and these are companies that do a ton of work to try and make it not lose money, and it just doesn’t work.
All the power to those that like Amazon but I have never bought anything from Amazon and never will. I always look up the cheapest option (that is trustworthy) which Amazon never is. Plus I don’t like their business model just like I don’t like media mark (they killed of many stores by selling for huge losses for years). we want competition so we want as many stores as possible, we also want experts, so I rather go to a store that sells x type of products not x, y, z and also b like Amazon do.
Also big stores like Amazon only makes sense in the physical form, jumping between stores online isn’t physical draining.
You don’t need to replace Amazon in it’s entirety. You just need to shop from different places selling only a particular category (clothes, books, computer hardware, pet supplies etc) or straight from brand’s shop. At least that’s what I’ve been doing. Also haven’t renewed my prime subscription for last 2 years.
Even if YouTube is questionable on privacy-YouTube have more of a product unlike social media where you are the product
with youtube, youre still the product, but at least you get something from it
As well as content creators
I feel like it’s still crazy that YouTube share their ad revenue with their content creators. Granted it’s not much but not even tiktok, Instagram nor twitch does that.
less would upload otherwise
They explicitly say in their description they’re not a replacement for YouTube.
Which description? That Wikipedia article says “The aim is to provide an alternative to centralized platforms such as YouTube, Vimeo, and Dailymotion.”
The difference to YouTube is that it’s not intended to create a huge platform centralizing videos from the whole world on a single server farm (which is horribly expensive).
From their website. It’s a very different system, and also not funded by advertisers, which means someone else has to pay the bills.
Is PeerTube’s purpose to replace YouTube?
We can answer with certainty: no!
The ambition remains to be a free and decentralized alternative: the goal of an alternative is not to replace, but to propose something else, with different values, in parallel to what already exists.
They’re saying they’re not a “replacement” because it’s a decentralized alternative to something centralized. Not because it can’t serve the same needs for technical or economic reasons.
Unfortunately, but we can still try. Any competition in that space is good.
Yep people don’t realize the cost of running YouTube, and why all the creators are there.
Cause they share that cost, and have the most eyeballs. Far and away.
What replaced Facebook?
Not using Facebook.
Ditched
Try WireMin, someone recommended it from another post. Its a decentralized version of FB, people described it as combination of Mastodon + Session.
- E2EE messaging
- Feed for blog post
Decentralized network, So no central server to collect user data, and they can’t implement any restriction rules, so 0 banning and censorship
“Free speech: no cancelling”
Doesnt seem appealing to me…I know there’s nothing wrong with those things, but the kind of people using the word “cancelling” and “free speech” are the kinds I try not to associate with
WireMin
I dont see any source code, so I wouldn’t trust it, especially with the fact that you already mentioned two alternatives that are open source, that will fill the gap.
Not being open source is pretty damaging to their user acquisition, I guess. Well it did not ask for my personal info when creating an account, so I trusted it at first.
For now I use both Mastodon and Session, and still kept WireMin on my phone because it combines them both. I look forward to the day when they finally publish their source code.
It’s not open source, indeed. But I noticed that the users on WireMin are all very concerned about protecting their privacy. For example there’s one community created by one anonymous user: The Gray Papers- Take back your data. https://i.wiremin.com/invite/?g=k48934787653
I thought it was instagram
How do I downvote this?
lol reddit is still kicking, people. Don’t count your chickens yet.
So is Facebook and Twitter. This meme is premature in triplicate.
Twitter, despite Elon’s best efforts, is not dead yet 😆
All while the fediverse still has low numbers.
I like the concept, but if your only selling point is “it’s like email, you can use any instance” it’s not going to be popular to most people.
Moreover, killing Youtube will be harder than killing any of these social media. Serving video content is very expensive.
The demands of video hosting is what makes me doubtful that decentralized YouTube could work.
It could work if everyone that used it was interested in decentralizing it, but that seems impossible from my perspective
Still kicking but…somehow not the same. It’s something I can’t quite explain. There’s just something different about it now. I had to look something up on Reddit a couple of days ago. It was the first time I’d been back since they killed all the third party apps. It reminded me of going back to a city I used to live but my friends were all gone and my favorite places to go had changed. So, while it was the same place, and there were plenty of people around, it seemed exhausted and forced.
I know exactly what you mean.
Have you used recently?I tried but the quality plummeted
Big mainstream subs are shit but they always were. Cool niche communities are the same.
For some of my niche subs the mods just quit
mostly the same. I feel like even niche places get some of the annoying reddit mentality that has annoyed me for quite a while. There’s still the hivemind and circle jerky stuff in small places. It’s felt like less of that here, but also only a fraction of the people are on Lemmy so that will change when more people come.
inb4 eternal September :)
I mean, the circlejerk is already here. This meme shows that. The amount of users saying “fuck spez”, as if he gives a shit and is remotely affected is like…bruh.
Nope, sorry: no revolution for you.
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I’m not disagreeing but it’s still kicking. My friend who is on reddit said it was weird for a couple days during the blackout but it’s back to normal now. He also wondered why I didn’t use the official app. Like it or not, most people are like him.
I can’t believe this. The official app is so bad, I am losing faith in humanity.
Even if you get rid of the ads (ReVanced manager is your friend) it still pushes weird content into your timeline. Like, you scroll and there is an interesting post that you want to comment on. Oops, posted 20 days ago. Why would you recommend that to me!?
Yeah he mentioned things like that were happening during the blackout but he said it’s mostly back to normal for him now. He also watches TV and movies with all sorts of ads. For me, that’s an instant pivot to find something else to do. My dad has repeatedly asked me if I want some product he sees in an Instagram ad. I eventually had to tell him to specifically never get me a product he sees in an ad. People on the fediverse aren’t normal. We care a lot about things most people don’t really mind.
It’s a delusional circlejerk.
I remember Voat and numerous other attempts to abandon Reddit.
I really hope that this one sticks but it needs to be very robust (in terms of moderation, server capacity, user friendliness etc) if it is going to handle a large influx of users without breaking down.
Agreed. Friends in my discord group still bring up reddit posts daily, usually in subs with games and memes.
Yeah, I think that’s because reddit just has the hugest communities for individual games and niche interests. There are some lemmy communities for some of the games I follow but there are like seven users in each of them. Lemmy is getting really good for broader topics like “games” or “technology” but isn’t quite there yet for more narrow interests like “Dolphin emulator” for example.
I managed to step on CM Punk’s toe, now I’m ready to take on Jon Jones.
Super shilly comment incoming, but YouTube Premium is maybe the only subscription I pay for (other than Game Pass) that I think is worthwhile. I was also blown away by how much I like YouTube Music. Don’t get me wrong, I’m fully anticipating the platform to race to the bottom and go to complete and utter shit, but for the time being, I think it’s solid.
You can also not pay for it and get it with ReVanced.
ReVanced also auto skips ad reads in the video itself
Can I get revanced on Chromecast?
For really old Chromecasts: https://github.com/chromecast-sponsorblock/chromecast-sponsorblock
For the newer Chromecasts that just run Android TV: https://github.com/yuliskov/SmartTubeNext
smarttube is what you’re looking for
I don’t think so :C
Except premium pays the people that make the content. ReVanced is, regardless of if you hate big tech, blatantly stealing the work of the skilled artists you enjoy.
I recommend watching this vid.
Play music was much better but YT Music is serviceable.
I have to agree with this one. I got premium way back in 2015 when it first came out as youtube red, my reasoning at the time was since it came with Play Music, no ads on youtube videos, and at the time cost the same as a spotify subscription, I could have the same music library I was already paying for PLUS youtube without ads every 10 seconds and access to youtube red exclusive content, Mindfield by Vsauce and the Rooster Teeth movies at the time, I was getting more for the same 10 bucks. I was sad to see play music go but youtube music letting me add songs to my playlists from videos on youtube if the song itself isn’t directly in the streaming service is pretty cool and I’ve been grandfathered into the same price, so I still pay the same $10/mo now that I did 8 years ago. Only subscription I’ll ever actually tell anyone is worth getting over just using an adblocker instead.
RIP Play Music.
But yeah, Drive and YT bundles are basically the one thing I’ll still pay for, and it ends up including YT Music which isn’t bad.
Facebook? New for me
Sooo… Facebook is dead? But it isn’t?
The “dead” platforms still exist it just that they’ve undergone unacceptable amounts of corporate enshitification.
I like to think of them as retirement homes. Boomers retired on Facebook. The next gen of boomers will now retire on Reddit. I hope I never retire anywhere I want to try all the new things forever :(
Yeah. Reddit too. How much did their daily visits drop again?
All of these platforms are still used by many. As a someone who left Reddit for Lemmy I gotta say a lot of these people have a heavy dose of copium saying Reddit is dead just because they’d like it to be.
Yes I pop in every now and then and reddit still has tons of activity. The communities I follow here are way more active on reddit still.
Well it’s dead to me, OK‽
A wild interrobang!
When I think of it as dead I think of it the same way as Facebook. Sure it’s still there but the vibe is thoroughly dead. They’re where people get comfy and retire to stay stuck in their ways while others move on to greener pastures.
I thought it meant from being good then killed by greed and/or stupidity
These platflorms are all declining. Facebook has been for years. This path leads to certain death. There is no way for them to recover from their past mistakes. So it’s equivalent to being already dead for me
Peertube already exist. If you have to upload a video to show someone on the internet it’s already more convenient than youtube as you don’t have to login and access with google accounts.
you can use youtube without a google account?
You can. You can’t subscribe or use it ad free but I have no issues going to YouTube and just searching for what I need. No account required.
You can’t subscribe or use it ad free
I don’t think so. Creating accounts on Peertube is much easier as it’s decentralized, some instances won’t care about your data such telephone number
Also, if you make your own instance, you can fully control the data flow.
No money to make on the fediverse => no (expensive to create) content.
- patreon
- most people make literal pennies off of youtube, so it wouldn’t be much for them to switch
Exactly. Youtube is there to stay, i think. I dont have many issues with it as well tbh. I pay for our family account and its just an amazing experience, no need for Spotify with YT Music as well. Creators earn more with premium too - the service is just working for me.
One could debate about hosting costs and revenue split and content policies, but in principle, i have no qualms with Youtube.
Yeah paid YT is probably the last media subscription to go, especially with YT Music. Hours and hours of watch time probably number one thing watched by the whole family. The only problem I usually have with YT is getting “boxed in” to content, like it thinks I only like watching channel X now because I watched a video. Sometimes the entire feed is like 2 or 3 channels and it’s harder to discover something new.
(One interesting thing, if you create your own YT channels each channel has a fresh watch history and sometimes you can then build up a different set of videos on the other channels)
Honestly the only subscription I don’t mind paying for. You can’t beat ad free YouTube videos.
Yeah definitely but why pay for that?
You can also seamlessly download videos on all of your devices, on top of their own music streaming service.
I’m sure you can get all of it for free somehow, but there’s a point in life that convenience is more important. Also, the family plan is dirt cheap if you consider all you get.
uBlock Origin + SponsorBlock
YouTube probably isn’t worried about open source competition, but Twitch could be a real competitor. Twitch already captured a large chunk of gaming, especially the live streams.
Twitch could have massively ate into YouTube if they wanted, but they must have decided it wasn’t worth the cost to host videos.
Twitch would need a lot of work to make videos more first class citizens, that is probably more the reason than storage costs. They have Amazon backing them now with basically unlimited storage potential.
There is money to be made, just not off ads. Instagram has content without paying people. It just depends on how the creator is financing themselves. Paid sponsorships? Is it in support of something else (Patreon, web store, etc)? There is no money to be made off ads and I support that. But there is money to be made, but you need a following for it to be worthwhile. It’d be interesting if someone created an app that allows dual posting to YouTube and PeerTube, or posting to PixelFed & Instagram at the same time. Once they start getting followers on those other platforms, there are less intrusive methods to monetize it.
Yeah, till we have paid subscriptions or very well targeted good reputation advertising, there won’t be enough money to switch over.
Isn’t Twitter kind of thriving though, or did I miss some recent news while touching grass?
did I miss some recent news
Yes, and also not so recent news because it’s been doing a nose dive since February at least.
Twitter’s ad revenue is down 50%. Maybe it’s doing some kind of crash diet and living its best life but most people wouldn’t call that thriving.
I literally have like 1TB of video stored on YouTube and privatized. Google is making $0 from my videos, but they still have to store them and have them available if I want to watch it (it’s all of my Twitch VODs). Meanwhile websites like Streamable perma-delete my 5MB video after it gets 0 views in 2 milliseconds.
YouTube is a behemoth that will not be replaced.
Someone mentioned youtube was sending notices to people with private videos, about removing them or making public
Alphabet is still making money off of you. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/google-says-it-doesnt-sell-your-data-heres-how-company-shares-monetizes-and
Yep I have a scheduled task that uploads terabytes worth of empty/noise videos up on to YouTube to take up their hosting space as a final hurrah/middle finger to those corporate fat cats/silicon valley pundits.
I wouldn’t count on that and I’d definitely recommend backups. I had a channel full of videos just disappear and I never found out what happened. I just went to check something one day and it was gone. The videos are all gone. Nobody could help I eventually just had to suck it up. From what I read at the time it happens here and there but not to people big enough for there to ever be a stink about it. Someone said it happens if you don’t log on for long enough but I logged in every few months at least for various reasons so I dunno.
Oh I don’t. I just move them there because Twitch deletes them after a few days. I don’t care about them, it’s just an easy 1 click button to save them on YouTube.
In fact I stopped relying on Google services when they banned the Terraria developers Google account and the only way he got it back was by canceling the Stadia release of Terraria.
Since that day, I switched to ProtonMail with a custom domain, immich.app, proton calendar, and more.
Realized that unless I have to power to potentially cost Google millions of dollars, Google won’t even look my way.
That’s right. You are simply in better hands if you actually pay for a service. If google offers you something for free, they do not really owe you anything, you are not entitled to that service.
I priced it out recently and protonmail is more expensive than paying for Google business email and extra space. I thought about switching but I can’t think of a way it will significantly make my life better. I’d rather pay some money so hopefully I’m not the product anymore.
I mean you’re right that YouTube isn’t going anywhere, but they’re going to either delete that data or start charging you for it at some point
I’m shocked they haven’t already. A good 95% of YouTube could be deleted and no one would notice, and would save Google millions and millions of dollars.
They are starting to delete the data associated to Google accounts that have not signed in in several years. This includes their YouTube videos. I have started downloading the videos from creators that have passed that I still wish to watch.
I dread the day TotalBiscuit is but a memory (RIP)
Who?
That’s interesting. My girlfriends old cat videos from over a decade ago are still there. She hasn’t logged into the account for years and years.
What happens to videos of people who are no longer alive? Does Google expect a channel to be maintained in perpetuity?
Sometimes i feel bad for YouTube. Video hosting is the worst of both worlds (heaviest storage and highest bandwidth) and there’s a LOT of video on YouTube, most of it worthless.
and they keep the original file as well as their converted file. So every video you upload is stored at least twice. Technically more, because popular videos are stored on multiple servers to ensure fast load times no matter where you live. It’s crazy. I would love to see a behind the scenes your of YouTube, and a live stat counter page. It would seem fake.
If they did that, I wouldn’t be able to find a fix for the fuel line getting kinked in my BG86 leaf blower. You know that video with 48 views that exactly solves the problem I am having? Same applies across basically every niche device or mechanical issue and is one of the primary reasons I find myself on youtube.
Fair point! However, your argument is almost more reason for Google to do it.
You find yourself on YouTube for those niche videos, which means you’re the kind of customer YouTube would benefit from getting rid of. A few dozen views from you per year to find niche videos, is not paying them anything, and is wasting a ton of storage. They want people who spend hours upon hours on YouTube per day, essentially replacing TV. Those who spend hours and hours on YouTube, are also generally watching popular videos, or videos that YouTube is recommending, which means a ton of ad views, or even YouTube Premium subscriptions.
I would absolutely be crushed if YouTube deleted all those random niche videos because I just used one last week to fix my car. Some random ass video showing a potential ground wire issue. I am not saying I want Google to do it, I don’t, but I am definitely shocked they aren’t.
Don’t fall into the trap of feeling sympathy for the likes of google.
I pay for premium because I rely on those videos way more than I’m comfortable with.
Finding how to fix a screen issue in my niche 2014 laptop in 2022 was a wild experience.
The university I work for just got hit with this. We used to give our alums free Google services (including unlimited storage) because that’s what was in our contract. Well Google changed their minds and now we have to pay out the ass for that space, so we’re just dropping google instead (which is ultimately what they wanted tbh). Our users are fucking livid too saying like “I had 15 terabytes of shit on there!”. Well, sorry! That shit costs money.
PEERTUBE CELEBRITIES
The problem with YouTube is that people make real money off of their content, in an honest way. Unless you can match or exceed that level of income, you don’t have much of a chance of competing. People’s livelihoods would be at stake
Reddit was big, but not profitable for users. At most, it was a social boost and marketing. That’s easily replaceable. Real, significant profiting, not so much.
So for twitter it’s mastodon, for reddit it’s lemmy, for youtube odysee maybe, but what is it for facebook?
but what is it for facebook?
I volunteer my trash can for Facebook, should do a decent job and it already has the smell to match, so we don’t need to waste time implementing that feature
Can I volunteer my matches. You know patch for comment section.
cool, can you dockerize that please, so I can host an instance of “[email protected]’s trashcan”?
🤣🤣
I feel bad for docker
Reddit also has Kbin which is cross compatible with Lemmy as well. YouTube has PeerTube also. Facebook has Friendica, Diaspora, and Hubzilla. The issue with Facebook is that its much more dependent on specific users. You either want friends or companies from my experiences. So without either of those, there’s a lot less to do. Random feeds of strangers make more sense on the other platforms.
I have not heard of odyssey and google isn’t giving good results. Can you link it?
Its Odysee, my bad
Thanks!
I thought Friedica and Diaspora are similar to the core Facebook stuff. But I have never used them
I use friendica
You could also use Hubzilla
I guess something like pixelfed or diaspora
Pixelfed is more Instagram.
Friendica, as others have said. Mobilizon looks good for less of the family-and-friends aspect of the platform.
Odysee/LBRY is just another bit of crypto crap. Another desperate attempt to create an off-ramp for people who have invested in digital trash actually cash out, by bringing in a fresh wave of lesser fools. PeerTube is the fediverse equivalent to YouTube.
Odysee/LBRY is just another bit of crypto crap.
That, and while it was kinda nice in the beginning with a bunch of Linux / Tech / Science creators and a friendly community, it quickly became dominated by bigotry and conspiracy theories.
Mastodon -> Twitter
Friendica -> Facebook
Pixelfed -> Instagram
Lemmy/kbin -> Reddit
PeerTube -> Youtube
Owncast -> Twitch
FunkWhale/Castopod -> Music/Podcast
BookWyrm -> Goodreads
WriteFreely -> Blog
Discord -> Matrix
Revolt first, after Matrix but yes.
Now if we could somehow get LinkedIn. It will be the last core of evil pro corporatism.
linkedin wont change cause employers love it
Wow, even Twitch? That’s nice. Now all I need is an alternative to IMDB and I’m set.
Yes and the best thing is the federation with all of these platforms. So you can follow a PeerTube or Owncast channel and receive a notification if a video is uploaded or a stream is starting.
This is the Owncast main directory link: https://directory.owncast.online/
TruthSocial 😆
For YouTube it’s PeerTube and for Twitch it’s probably OwnCast
