I’ve seen this one before.
- A ton of people will complain
- Firefox will get a bunch of users for a few days
- 90% will go back to Chrome
That last 10% will be happier but that’s just the way it goes. This is based on Netflix, Reddit, Twitter, and Microsoft.
And thus, entropy is presented. Even if only 10% go to Firefox, thats still 10% that aren’t going back to Chrome. And if this repeats with similar results, as you imply, that 90% going back to Chrome is gonna be a lot smaller a few iterations from now.
Until they use their multiple monopolies to further cripple the experience for competitors, entrenching their dominance, and allowing them to force their proprietary standards on the internet, killing any remaining pretence of Internet freedom.
The rest will go to some other chrome derivative that includes a built in adblocker.
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There were people back in the day who thought that the internet was that fancy E on the desktop (internet explorer) and would have their brains melt when trying to explain alternatives. I think that people now have this problem with a fancy G.
A browser is not like a social network though. There’s barely any difference in practical terms between Chrome and Firefox. Once you’ve switched there’s no reason to go back.
You may think so but there’s always a bunch of posts about why people can’t switch out of chromium in every other Firefox related posts. There are few significant differences and some don’t wanna make any compromise for something better.
The only ones who can’t are those who have that SUUUPER special plugin that they need and they won’t look at FF alternatives.
As long as there is suddenly a new pinned tab with irrelevant info or an unskippable pop up about the new color schemes or data grabbing websites pinned to the top sites or the company firing half their developers even when their CEO gets another pay raise or…
Desktop runs great, but Firefox on Android seems to be noticeably buggy here and there sadly. I still use it, but I can imagine that might drive people out of the ecosystem.
Many people get used to the synchronization of their passwords / bookmarks cross-channel. More advanced users have a separate password management for this I’d figure, but that’s not the default for 90% I’d guess.
I use both a password manager and Firefox password sync.
I’ve never had a single issue with Firefox for Android and I’ve run it on all my phones for like 6-7years at least, probably more but I don’t remember.
Well, in my experience it’s mostly interaction bugs. Quite noticeable when you’re used to Chrome not having these issues.
It doesn’t play super nice with foldable phones. The UI doesn’t adapt correctly without restarting the app and you end up with a very dense interface of overlapping buttons if you try going from open to closed. The address bar becomes completely blocked by all the extra buttons from the tablet layout, so the app is unusable.
Well that’s a pretty specific use case, I’ve only ever met one person with a foldable phone. But yeah they should probably fix that.
Agreed, I think they’re hedging on the amount of people who leave will be less than the increased revenue of those who stay. Considering the ones leaving were never going to allow as revenue anyway what do they really lose?
This is why I don’t understand why anyone tech savvy isn’t using Firefox. There’s literally no cost. From a user standpoint they’re basically the same thing. The one that isn’t made by an evil monopoly is just the obvious choice.
Given how quickly everyone I know took to using Chrome on phones despite no adblock being available, I think sadly it won’t have as big an impact as I wish it would.
Tbf it’s not exactly made easy to completely remove chrome + Google from phones.
Even if you set Firefox as default, even with webview, some Google apps will call chrome anyway using the built in webview.
CFW baybee
I doubt most people use an adblocker.
Anyone who’s aware of these issues or cares about them really should have been smart enough to switch to Firefox a long time ago.
I use duck duck go. The browser on my phone even auto opts out of cookies
damn google has really gotten shit then. I used to avoid duckduckgo because of how much better google was.
Google used to be like “we have found 10 quadrillion websites with your term” and you could click page 173 and it would give you the list for as many times as you wanted to click
Then they went to giving you several pages but if you clicked past page two they would be like hahaha psych there are actually only two pages of results for “starcraft two newbie tips”
Now I’ll search for specific phrases I know I read somewhere and I’ll get like, three god damn results.
Really? On the entire internet? Three results?
It’s just disrespectful and insulting
You can also do that with Firefox on your computer.
It’s not in settings, but you can easily google the instructions.
Duck duck go also runs it’s own vpn which is great if you can’t root your phone.
You can use system-wide VPNs on Android without root
DuckDuckGo is also so much better for search results since Google made theirs shit.
I can find websites pretty easy on DuckDuckGo which just don’t exist on Google.
A lot of people do use Adblockers. https://backlinko.com/ad-blockers-users
You can try other sources as well. The statistics say significant numbers on multiple places.
46% global and 27 USA? Damn the us people are even more tech illiterate than I would’ve guessed. I suppose the 85+% market share of the iPhone among teens has something to do with it.
Are you really surprised, considering how much our education system gets hijacked by right-wing legislation?
Fair.
I wouldn’t personally call 42% that high and by definition not most.
A big enough hit if 42% of Chrome users switch to a different browser.
However, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that people with adblock are more likely to use something other than Chrome. And some people will stay with Chrome and deal with the lack of adblock.
Roughly 60% of people use chrome so I’m sure there is a big cross over.
But I feel if people really cared they wouldn’t use chrome to begin with.
Time will tell.
It’s much better than what I observe with people around me, I would have guessed about 10%
Must be enough to make big companies angry
I think it’s more that they know most people won’t bother if they make it difficult.
Which makes this even more annoying. Like you have good chunk of the world using your browser with ads, but you still want even more and are still taking these types of scummy actions.
I think they’re taking aim at people who use an adblocker because it’s simple and won’t bother if they make it harder than installing an extension.
Sadly, they know damn well that people won’t stop using it
Anecdote, but all of my friends & family members that depend on me for computer support have already stopped using it. IT at my company has also decided to stop loading it with their install images, because “ads are known attack vectors”.
Makes me wonder why they’re actually doing it. How much revenue do they think they’ll gain from blocking ad blockers? Are they doing this for that revenue, or are they trying to tell advertisers that Google ads are a safer investment?
It didn’t even make sense, because the point of Google was never to make money anyway. The point of Google was to make investors believe it was worth billions of dollars.
Well, first one then the other. The IPO is the inflection point
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Google when people stop using chrome
Not so sure about that. I know more than enough persons who still like to use Edge (Internet Explorer).
I use Edge at work and it’s a really decent browser. It’s not Internet Explorer it’s basically Chrome with different tracking software lol
Obviously I use Firefox personally. But it’s actually decent.
I also use it at work and it really sucks. I also have Chrome on my work computer, but for everything work-related I have to use Edge. Like E-Mails and Sharepoint-Stuff. Edge’s startup time is at least 4 times Chrome’s startup time. Sites load extremely slow directly compared to Chrome. No Adblockers. I really don’t like this.
You can install extensions right from the Chrome Web Store with Edge. I have uBlock Origin in Edge on my work PC.
Not for long 😞
ublock origin is published to the addon ‘store’ for edge and opera, in addition to mozilla’s (firefox and thunderbird) and chrome. links to all are on the repo’s main page https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock
I also use it at work and it really sucks. I also have Chrome on my work computer, but for everything work-related I have to use Edge. Like E-Mails and Sharepoint-Stuff.
That’s a decision your IT department made. I use Firefox with all of that at work.
Can confirm. I also have to use Sharepoint with certain groups, and it works just fine. The web interface for Outlook works just fine as well.
I also have to use Google at work, and everything I’ve used works within Firefox.
I think it’s important to point this out because a lot of people seem to be laboring under the misconception that the sites they use will break in Firefox. The only sites I’ve found that don’t work are things like Bing AI, which work fine if you switch the user agent header.
Edge isn’t IE, it’s reskinned Chromium.
The problem isn’t Edge in itself. It is good if there are many browsers. But when Javascript became more than just a play thing, all of a sudden browser slowly moved to chromium as an engine. There used to be Opera, IE, Edge, Firefox, Safari and Chrome with each their own browser engine. Now there is only Chromium/Blink, Safari and Firefox left. Google is way too powerful with their marketshare. They constantly try to implement features that are bad for users.
Please use Firefox if you can!
New engines are in test stage, servo, ladybird etc.
Oh thank God. I was worried nobody would make new engines.
The problem is that it will take ages for them to get any adoption in a new browser. Firefox used to be a big player and then chrome came along. Now most of the people don’t even try Firefox anymore. I still hear a lot of “Firefox is slow” sentiment even though it isn’t.
Oh thank God. I was worried nobody will make new engines.
Now there is only Chromium/Blink, Safari/WebKit and Firefox/Gecko left.
{browser}/{browser_engine}I know. I mixed engines and browsers. I was too lazy to find out the engine names of opera, edge and ie.
At least at home and on mobile I absolutely do o7
I’ve started using Firefox at work, too. Unfortunately, I still have to use a lot of the Google sites at work, but they all work flawlessly within Firefox and uBO.
If I learned one thing, when talking with people about stuff like that: Most people unfortunately don’t care. Many don’t even have an ad blocker to begin with.
And many people also do use an adblocker https://backlinko.com/ad-blockers-users
ah, time for a re-watch I guess
What is this from?
The it crowd
Have a good binge
Just maybe avoid watching it in a way that the creator profits from.
Why’s that?
He’s also actively picking fights with supporters of trans and non-binary people, such as recently David Tennant of all people.
An episode of the IT Crowd had a B story that was kinda transphobic. It was minor enough and the show was popular enough he probably could’ve easily just apologized and that would’ve been that. But instead, in 2013 after said episode was brought up and criticized for being transphobic to the creator, said creator tripled down and became a full on anti-trans “activist” who makes even JK Rowling seem benign by comparison.
It doesn’t seem to be streaming anywhere, so anyone who doesn’t have an excessive amount to spend on a TV series won’t be giving any profits to the creators.
It’s one of the last of the laugh track comedies. Wondering what kids of the future are going to think about shows like that.
Laugh tracks and audiences are the worst.
If your show requires prompting on when to laugh, it’s probably not as funny as you think.
Many shows just aren’t that funny when you take out the laughing, and if you were to cut all the awkward pauses the show would be 7 minutes shorter.
“rolling laughter” is a technique you have to learn as a live performer for a reason. TV shows at the time had to bridge the gap as the 80s/90s invention of stand up as an art form set the tone for how comedy should be.
It’s not that it was always bad, it’s just that culture changed. Same as how a Jacobite audient would find it real weird we watch theatre inside(!), sitting down(!!) and not talking during the show(!!!).
I know you are right about all of this, and yet I will still watch shows like the old Addams Family while I’m doing something else just to have a distraction
there are shows where it works (Frasier) and shows where it’s horrible (Frasier 2023)
The IT Crowd is objectively hilarious without the laugh track. It’s a British thing. They have laugh tracks or studio audiences on most programs.
they had a live audience. at least for the basement/office scenes
Look, I was among the glorious warriors who installed Firefox on his parents/grandparents PC and replaced its shortcut’s image with IE’s one (because old people hate changes and won’t accept it easily)
- Oh again! They keep changing my Google internet!
- Yes grandma, it’s Windows… (« It wasn’t Windows » says the narrator in a deep and mysterious voice) Do you want me to install Linux? It’s free and open source and…
- Keep that commie thing away from me, I like that meadow picture…
- You know you can change th…
- Don’t you dare!
Anyway. We did it. We killed IE hegemony. It’s up to the new generation to take the baton and fight against the tyranny of Google.
The idea of installing Linux on a grandparent’s computer is just asking for trouble. I convinced my father in law to give a Chromebook a try since he mostly just uses his computer to get online and boy, was that tricky. The average person has no idea what an Operating System is and will call you the minute they can’t install a new program for some reason.
It can be very good for folk who are too tech illiterate to install any program by themselves.
I had a very successful experience! My grandmother had no idea how computers worked at all, so I set up a very stripped-down Ubuntu that didn’t even allow multiple windows open. I could easily remote in whenever she had an issue.
She used it to check her email, read the news, and watch Obama’s weekly address until the week she died. (Unrelated to the computer)
I feel like there’s a curve of where this could work. For the extremely technically illiterate or technically literate, you’d be ok. But for the middle chunk of the population, it’d be more confusing than it’s worth.
The people who don’t care and don’t have an adblocker aren’t and weren’t ever the target. The people who are being targeted have an adblocker, and they’re all moving to FireFox.
What Google is getting out of this most of all is future compliance as new users coming to Chrome will never know a world in which ad blockers were freely available on Chrome, as well as dog whistling this to other corporate browser vendors.
Don’t forget they’re pushing chrome on the whole internet. Websites are already telling Firefox users to fuck off if we aren’t spoofing chromium and it’s only going to get worse after this.
Firefox is my daily and I very rarely encounter a site that specifically rejects it. Do you have some examples?
I’d tell you but it’d dox me. I can’t pay my utilities on Firefox.
Seriously it’s opposite for me actually. I find that websites tend to have issues on chromium but they don’t on Firefox
Long term they will move to Firefox also.
Because people like us will continue to suggest they use Firefox as their “tech person”.
It’s just a little slower for the people that don’t care.
That is exactly how Chrome took over internet explorer back in the day.
The description is “Google will disable MV2 extensions in 2024, including ublock origin” and the title is “Google will disable Ublock origin in 2024”
YouTube clickbait title moment.
I use firefox btw
The target oft mv3 is litterally adblock TF u in securitythéâtre?
No the target is something like ‘prevent extensions from doing whatever they want with websites’. Could be to just block Adblocks but not a fact.
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waaah please watch this piss poor ad that we spent 20 million on to get in front of your face only for you to skip it or ignore it entirely we are taking any possibility you will not see this away so you HAVE to you HAVE to buy it
[redacted] yourself you fucking parasites
The majority of people on Chrome at this point are the same people that only ever used Internet Explorer until like 2015. They aren’t even using Ublock, they don’t even know what it is. The kind of people who have their nephew set their computers up for them.
How dare you! I AM the nephew that sets up their computers for them, and I install Firefox.
Good man.
And that’s why I set my elders up with uBlock.
Google when people don’t stop using chrome and just disable ublock:
:)
They won’t make people disable uBlock. They’ll just make it stop working, and people will just think the ads have gotten better or uBlock has gotten worse.
Fortunately there’s so much chatter on this that maybe it won’t be that way.
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Does NPC mean the same as “low value human”? Asking for a friend.
Also, what a terrible take.
Calling people npcs is total npc behavior
Now I want to see a video game where every other NPC you talk to, complains about all the NPCs.
This will do nothing to stop Google Chrome’s market share tbh.
Installing an ad blocker is like the easiest thing in the world to do. Literally takes less time than watching the ad yet even most young people don’t use it. It’s the reason why Edge has such a high market share despite not being all that great. It’s the default for many people so inertia will carry it forward. Google Chrome could literally record your screen at all times and sell it to the highest bidder and it would still dominate the market.
