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It’s my daily for my only phone. But I also run it on my 10 year old Nexus 7 because it’s still supported and a good experience.
Wow, I thought it was more than that. I guess among other things that shows how much less shitty stock OEM Android ROMs have gotten.
Will be +1 when have official support for the poco X5 pro. (If I can pay with mobile)
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(If I can pay with mobile)
Correct me if I’m wrong, but so long as you root with Magisk and configure the denylist, installing the SafetyNet Fix and changing the Props if you need to spoof a device ID, then you’ll always be able to use Google Pay/contactless, regardless of whether on Lineage or another custom ROM.
There are DOZENS OF US! DOZENS!!
Does this include devices running unofficial ports of lineageOS?
Represent
How do I get one with it preinstalled?
Buy one from someone who does the installing on sites like Ebay
Put simply, you don’t. If your phone is supported and the documentation is there, the installation is a breeze.
No. If it was easy to install then there would be a installation guide on the phone. Not even a installation program available on the computer to assist.
There is OpenAndroidInstaller which looks great, but is still in Beta so I’m not sure if I would use it.
This is 100% unofficial. Phone makers don’t want you to install third party roms (they cease having any control, won’t receive analytics, can’t push ads etc). Why should they help you out? They’ll do the bare minimum (or less) that is required for you, the owner, to be able to use third party roms.
That is sad
I’ve been using LineageOS on my OnePlus 8, after a couple buggy updates from the manufacturer. I haven’t looked back once.
I use my phone pretty averagely and never run into bugs or problems, and the added features make it a no brainer.
I’ve rarely run into app compatibility issues, but there’s usually a simple solution available. Or a different app!
I had LineageOS on my Nexus 4. Every damn phone I’ve had since hasn’t had any custom ROM available (and one couldn’t even be rooted; fuck Samsung). I want it back.
Here bro, once you get to choose a new device, you know where to look for
All these are excellent rootable devices
I like the filtering this site has got but it’s missing an option for the one thing I want most that is becoming increasingly more difficult to find: a 3.5mm audio jack. Other than that, though, this is pretty slick even for just finding a new phone in general.
And some applications still refuse to launch on it, preferring an outdated version of Android because Google does not send its security updates after 3 years.
Lineage is fucking Awesome. I fucking love android without google crap
do banking apps work on it again?
Depends on your bank. My bank’s app (Sparkasse) has always worked, even when I had Magisk installed.
It’s a constant cat and mouse game with Google. You can use Magisk with Zygisk enabled, Shamiko, and Play Integrity Fix (there’s also a few other combos that work) to get baking apps to work. I have no issues on my rooted Pixel 8 Pro, but it’s always a gamble if Google updates their end and then you get locked out of Google Wallet for a day once you update your fixes (not banking apps).
You talking to me?
Unfortunately GPay / Google Wallet has been borked on most ROMs since the recent Google shenanigans about a week ago. Even those not rooted. I got hit by that, running ArrowOS and not being rooted.
My bank’s app works though so eh, lost some convenience but can get things done.
Honestly, Custom ROMs have been in decline of usage since few years. There are also Other ROMS like Pixel Experience, PixyOS, Havoc, evolutionX, PixelOS, Paranoid, Derpfest, CrDroid and lot more.
The reason for the drop is due to a combination of reasons like better OEM UI, unpublished Kernel code (Chinese OEMs, Mediatek), locked bootloaders and Safetynet issues.
I’m currently rocking CrDroid it has currently ~85K active devices (https://stats.crdroid.net/).
Do custom ROMs still have issues with some apps not allowing them? It’s been an eternity since I tried one and I don’t know if it’s a hard requirement, but at least when I did try it, I had (?) to root my device and my bank apps refused to work after that.
I haven’t encountered such a thing yet (been using for 5 months).
There are lot of methods to bypass those checks even now, and often many ROMs do this by default. (LineageOS doesn’t do that afaik)
Some banking or payment apps can detect root and won’t let you use them.
When I used to run Custom ROMs I just used magisk to hide the root and these apps would work fine afterwards.
Many applications especially banks require Google Safetynet to be functional, even without root. I am running DivestOS, a hardened version of LineageOS without gapps, and I can’t have access on my bank because I chose freedom. Democracy at its finest…
better OEM UI
Very subjective.
Unpublished kernel code
Don’t use those phones.
Locked bootloaders
Plenty of OEMs allow bootloader unlocking, stop buying Samsung.
Safetynet issues
It’s Google Play Integrity checking now, and as someone who has been using LinageOS on unrooted phones for a while, I’ve never had these issues. Not to say people out there aren’t having them, but it’s not as bleak as people seem to believe it is.
I have one phone that’s rooted, and I have to use magisk to hide it, and that occasionally has issues, but not the non-rooted ones running custom roms.
Now try to use most of Banking applications (even McDonalds app lol) Most of these application require Google Play Integrity. So practically, you are enforced to use Google Play Services or buy a second device to run android with gapps and then power it off (that’s what I did)
I’m talking from a general user perspective who often can’t even differentiate between chipsets let alone look for such details.
People used to got to Custom ROMs because OEMs were really doing shit job, that’s not the case now given now.
People used to got to Custom ROMs because OEMs were really doing shit job, that’s not the case now given now.
Yep. I used to use custom (ROMs, kernels, etc) for the extra features and playing with my phone like a shiny new toy. Now I use GrapheneOS because OEMs and Google don’t do security and privacy anywhere near as good as GOS. And I can live with the minor inconvenience of apps that use Play Integrity API, though I do encourage the app devs to switch to hardware backed attestation because: “Android’s hardware attestation API provides a much stronger form of attestation than the Play Integrity API with the ability to whitelist the keys of alternate operating systems. It also avoids an unnecessary dependency on Google Play services and Google’s Play Integrity servers.” https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide
It’s Google Play Integrity checking now, and as someone who has been using LinageOS on unrooted phones for a while, I’ve never had these issues. Not to say people out there aren’t having them, but it’s not as bleak as people seem to believe it is
Maybe a week ago they borked the integrity of custom ROMs. GPay/Wallet doesn’t work anymore with Magisk shenanigans. Happened to every ROM I checked.
Where are these OEMs that allow proper bootloader unlocking on most of their range?
Google, Sony …? Huawei stopped doing it, Oppo & Samsung doesn’t last I checked.
Fairphone
OnePlus has a pretty good track record for this
Xiaomi Does albeit with some wait time.
I still remember the good old days when there was no waiting time.
Before i got my Pixel 6 Pro, i’ve been running Custom Roms on everything. The Pixel 6 Pro is probably the first device, i’m actually okay running Stock. It just does what it should. And i’ll be honest, the hassle of getting it to work properly (Banking, Netflix, etc) is just too much for my everyday phone…Google really did a number on that one, both positive and negative. I kind of hate it…
I used to turn to custom roms to extend the life of my phone. My first smartphone didn’t get an official update after I purchased it for example. The custom roms often made the phone snappier too.
These days I’m on a mid range Samsung phone released almost 4 years ago and it’s still getting updates.
Ditto on a Pixel 6 Pro. There were a ton of people with issues when this thing came out, but I was lucky enough to dodge all the issues.
I had none over the last 2 years…which is funny, because i fully expected to have them - and put a custom rom on it. There are just two things that irk me…you can’t disable IPv6 and the adaptive charging is still not enough for me personally, i would have liked to have a hard limit…
Ironically that’s one of the only phones that you have the choice of not running stock
Not it isn’t. Plenty of OEMs let you unlock the bootloader.
That isn’t the only factor though. Take OnePlus, for example. You can still unlock their bootloaders, but if you check out XDA you’ll see that their hasn’t been any custom roms for a OnePlus flagship since the 9 pro because they stopped publishing the MSM tool, so the risk of bricking the phone is too great.
I guess the same thing is happened with samsung after the s10 series. No new roms for the newer ones apart from 1 or 2 oneui based roms.
But in most of OEMs you cannot relock the bootloader with your own key…
I know - which was the reason i got it in the first place.
Google really did a number on that one, both positive and negative. I kind of hate it…
And yet you bought a Pixel and supported them in this.
Safetynet issues
Fun part of this is that it relies entirelly on Googles tracking framework.
I’ve changed thanks to not having any update on my Moto G7 Power since 2021.
Here you can take a look at popularity by device
And it could’ve even been useful, had they not chosen to show the code names instead of the make and model…
I second this. Definitely not gonna be looking up for each entry.
How did they measure this?
I don’t know the exact modus operandi, but usually this is achieved by using some “phone home” mechanism which sends a device identifier (to ensure uniqueness) along with an OS version (and maybe some other fingerprints to ensure integrity of the data - like a hash of CPU hardware, etc).