Why vote for Stein when you can directly vote for Trump? /s
a vote for stein is a vote against the other candidates in the race.
Maybe if you don’t understand how the US electoral system works…
this is just posturing and rhetoric.
It is math, actually.
no, it’s not.
So you’re effectively going to vote for nobody and let everyone else decide the race?
i haven’t decided who i’m going to vote for, but rgiht now i like jill stein and cornel west.
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These comments are hilarious. All y’all arguing about third parties being spoilers. I can’t believe anyone bothers to vote. If we could change anything by voting they wouldn’t let us do it.
Don’t let them lie. It is a 2 party system here bucko.
Been there. Done that. Not again.
I understand Jill Stein’s connections to Russia are because of RT (Russia Today), who was publishing lots of US progressive content back in 2016, at a time when no US media would touch any of it. Yea, it sucks that we had to have Russia of all places publish progressive content, such as Pro Bernie Sanders, StandingRock protests, and Green Party positions to get any visability AT ALL. So Stein was at a table with other people who were getting their issues published by RT, and Putin joined in. Now I wouldn’t get anywhere near any RT content.
Ah I remember this. In 2016 I didn’t know what RT was but I really liked their coverage, mostly because NPR and any mainstream American media wouldn’t cover Bernie in a positive manner. Got a bit of whiplash in 2017 from that.
I mean that connection is hardly incidental, she attended conferences with Putin and Putin had it out for Clinton personally after she made comments calling his reelection’s legitimacy into question because of how rigged it was.
Is she still willing to acknowledge worries from people about phones and microwaves? Or is she supporting science this year?
She still waiting on putin’s directives
Oh Jill
I which she’d formally launch herself off a tall ledge.
Never forget that Jill Stein was at the same event and at the same table as Putin and that traitor Flynn
this is decontextualized propaganda. if you click the link and watch the video, the explanation is benign.
Why don’t you do everyone who can’t watch a video at the moment a favor, and explain how it is decontexualized?
She happened to be at a table with a world leader at a large event. Guess who else has been at a table with Putin? Most recent US presidents and countless other politicians.
Yeah, actual world leaders. Who the fuck is Jill Stein besides a failed Presidential candidate. What an insane comparison.
and countless other politicians
No, we can count them. I specifically recall seven (eight?) Republican lawmakers, including Rand Paul who personally delivered a letter to Putin, visiting Moscow on July 4, 2018. Of all days.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/06/626664156/gop-senators-spend-july-4-in-moscow
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/08/rand-paul-delivers-letter-to-trump-from-putin-766743
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/09/636982295/is-it-springtime-for-putin-and-republicans
the video is great. the text that is above the link to it is the decontextualized propaganda
Not this shit again. Our country literally might not survive another Donald Trump presidency, which is what you’re helping happen by supporting a 3rd-party candidate when we have a 2-party system.
- Keep Trump and his goons from taking power
- Vote local. This is where things like ranked-choice voting and reproductive rights are created and have impact
- When it’s not “first past the post”, vote for whoever you want, guilt-free! At this point, there’s no such thing as a spoiler candidate…
It’s called priorities.
vote for whoever you want, guilt-free
i do this now. the only decision i have left to make is whether it’s going to be jill stein or cornel west.
We count those as Republican votes. Thank you for your service, patriot!
this is election misinformation.
It was a joke. But functionally, you’re throwing your vote away. If you care so much about 3rd-party candidates, instead help us pass ranked-choice voting!
If you care so much about 3rd-party candidates
honestly, i don’t. i vote because it takes like no effort, but i vote for people i actually want to win. i’m not terribly invested in whether they do, though: every politician i’ve ever voted for who won turned out to be a terrible disappointment.
every politician i’ve ever voted for who won turned out to be a terrible disappointment.
Weird. Based on your comments, you’re clearly a rational, empathetic individual open to intelligent discussion, so the issue can’t be you…
i know. the issue is unjust hierarchies.
help us pass ranked-choice voting!
no, thank you. i don’t want that system any more than the current one.
Oh you know so much about third party politics, tell us why did Bernie run for president in the Democratic primary?
i don’t see the point of this question. it’s clearly rhetorical. if you have something to say, say it.
I think we’d all like to hear your expert take.
theres no expertise needed. we can ask him why he chose to run as a democrat.
“There’s no secret that I think that the Democratic Party has not been vigorous enough in standing up for working families. I’ve said that repeatedly and I say it again,” Sanders told Seven Days. “On the other hand, I will also tell you [there are] some great people in the Democratic Party that I work closely with. But right now, it seems to me the most effective and practical way to go forward is to participate in the Democratic primary process.”
you don’t need to know anything about so-called “third party” politics to know that if you count a vote for one person as another, that’s illegal and it is not the policy to count green votes as republican votes.
This is a weird comment. It’s not “so called,” It’s actually called third party politics. And Bernie is the longest serving third party politician I think ever, at least in modern history.
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos!
I voted but Sanjaya, but that’s only because the ballot was confusing.
I don’t believe there is any way Biden will be re-elected. If for no other reason when he finally dies of old age who would want kamala running the show.
He can, and possibly will, pick a new running mate.
This is as bad a take as people saying there’s no way he can lose re-election. Pro or against, betting POTUS (who has the best healthcare in the world) will die in the next 4 years is the longest of bets. Also, no one votes based on who the successor might be. Lastly, he’s healthier than Trump for fuck’s sake…
Dude is like 80. Math doesn’t lie and the best doctors in the world can’t stop time. Statistically it’s time to dig a hole. He won’t be re-elected, but if he were there’s no way he’s got another 4 years left kicking dirt.
the best doctors in the world can’t stop time
Ok but life expectancy literally directly correlates with the quality of your healthcare
Understood. He’s already 8 years past the average life expectancy of a American man. The writing is on the wall.
You mean the Russian puppet Jill Stein? I’m pretty sure the Republicans are already doing that one.
Can you elaborate on this comment a bit?
this link undermine the claim she is a Russian asset
jill stein isn’t a russian puppet
Yes she is.
you have no proof for this.
She is not the reason why Clinton lost and this amount of hate is not proportional. No, I didn’t vote for Jill and I have no intention to.
Clinton lost because she is a corporate ghoul with no soul and no real views. She just believes whatever gets her the most attention and success.
Yeah how dare an elected official change their views to align with her desired constituents.
Real politicians tell their voters to shove it and cry about it!
Bernie Sanders has had similar worldviews since he was in politics. People with principles don’t flip flop like she does.
That why Bernie is a MIC hawk for all the projects that get built in Vermont?
clinton because she was a bad candidate.
I used to hear people complain that Stein sat at a table with Putin and I assumed it was at a charity event or state dinner but it turns out she was a special guest for the 10th anniversary of the Russian state funded TV propaganda network RT in Moscow.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696
she was a special guest
no, she wasn’t. she bought a ticket.
“They did offer to pay my way and I said, No thank you.”
Sounds like a VIP to me. She was also sitting at the table with the keynote speaker, Michael Flynn.
Until now, Stein hasn’t offered many details about how she came to be there or what happened beyond saying it was “a great opportunity to lay out some of my foreign policy proposals and get Russian reactions to them.”
So she wanted Putin’s approval on her foreign policy?
You don’t sit with Putin, just because you purchase a ticket.
he only sat at the table a couple minutes, and didn’t speak to anyone
if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.
good rule of thumb but if I’m sitting at a table in Hitler’s Germany, am I supposed to start throwing knives in the middle of his propaganda gala?
If that’s true, is that supposed to make it better? She traveled half way around the world to celebrate the anniversary of a Putin propaganda network.
to celebrate.te a network that has given her more airtime than CNN, MSNBC, and Fox combined.
Oh what luck! She bought a ticket and ended up next to those people. She must have been so surprised!
she was. did you watch the video link in these comments?
If you like the ideas of the Green Party, vote for them at the local level. The fact that they don’t seem to want to govern at the local level is enough for me to ignore them as an option.
Gayle McLaughlin used to be the Green Party’s best example of what they could do at the local level, until she left in 2016 to vote for Bernie Sanders. I’m fairly certain she is the outlier.
Right. I do believe that many members of the Green Party are good political options. It’s just they as a party don’t rally around them. They only seem to push for the presidency. I don’t see how they can hope to accomplish anything when they seem to shoot for the moon every four years, and only manage to spoil things.
Until I start seeing good options on the ballots from the Greens, I will just continue to hope the progressives win the dem. primaries for my local seats.
They only seem to push for the presidency
This is the key indicator and red flag that they are a clown party that isn’t serious about politics. They’re in it for the attention and the money.
They can’t run local level candidates without funding. All you do is complain instead of help.
I’m a voter, my friend. I can complain about a party all damn day. If you think that a political party is going get a dime from me before they can even convince me to vote for them, you have strange spending habits.
https://www.gp.org/featured_officeholders
They do focus on local elections, you just don’t hear about it because for the most part no one cares about local politics.
It’s not that I don’t care about local politics. You sending a link that’s relevant to other people’s local politics is completely irrelevant to me. Until the GP option is common on local ballots, not just 5 featured ones, I do not want hear about a presidential run.
By the way, I do commemorate you on your outreach and activism. You’re getting shit on in this thread, and you’re still politely getting your links out. Good work.
And they can run presidential candidates without funding??? What the heck are you talking about?
It’s easier to raise awareness of the campaign, and yes they historically get much more attention and funding.
vote for them at the local level.
They only run in a handful of local races. I’ve lived in both a red state and a blue state- Indiana and California- in multiple districts and I have never once seen a green party candidate on the local level.
That is literally my point. Ignore them until they seem to want governance as opposed to only seeing them in national headlines tilting at windmills. It’s worthless.
If you like Stein’s platform, voting for Stein will decrease the likelihood of you ever seeing such a policy implemented. If, say, a state rep. runs on a Green platform, they would likely get my vote.
I know it was your point. I was supporting it.
Cool. I really hate the English use of “you” when “one” is really the word one wants. But when one uses “one” as opposed to “you”, one sounds crazy.
I honestly think a lot of online defensiveness arises from this construction.
I’m saying, it sounds like I’m saying “you need to do blah cuz you’re wrong about blah”, when I would prefer it to be read as reiterating my earlier point of “if one wants to see Green policies enacted, one would do well to ignore Jill Stein.”
Someone should start a community for the use of one instead of you.
I think you’re probably right about that.
This needs to be said more than anything else.
Politics NEVER changes from the top down. You don’t elect some absolute newcomer who circumvents all the normal paths and then completely revolutionizes the country. (At least not in a stable, functioning society.) Politics in the US happens from the ground up. Not top down.
If any third party was serious about changing society, they would start at the local level. Then, after proving that they can enact meaningful change and bridge the divide between the huge political span that Americans hold, they would sweep their state elections and federal elections.
All of these pie-in-the-sky parties who think that they will win the presidency and then somehow enact society-changing legislation (_the president doesn’t make laws!!!_) are either fools or charlatans.
