Google Chrome will limit ad blockers starting June 2024::The “Manifest V3” rollout is back after letting tensions cool for a year.
As if I’ll have money for discretionary purchases anyway. Fucking idiots.
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They make fantastic services that are far more functional than their oss competitors and it’s far far less effort than hosting and dealing with that bullshit.
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Most folks disagree. You are in the minority.
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At least Android actually gives you freedom. What other alternatives (that actually work) are there? I’d rather have a phone with an OS made by an evil corp that I can actually control, than an OS that doesn’t even let me install apps not approved by the manufacturer.
Using a degoogled LineageOS was great. It’s just that the world around it has changed so much that doing certain things wasn’t really viable any more. Having a phone like that in 2010 would have been awesome, but nowadays it’s really inconvenient. Nowadays, there are some highly unfortunate software needs that don’t quite fit with this philosophy any more.
I didn’t come up with the idea that my bank requires an app, and that the app absolutely requires an OEM phone with a normal Android and GAPPS. They started requiring that nonsense, which put me in a tight spot. Do I decide to live without money or will I switch to an inferior OS.
There are also some nice to have apps that came up with similar stupid decisions. Living without them means living in the past, and I would be ok with that too. Getting a minor inconvenience in return of having more privacy is ok with me. Suffering significant inconveniences is not OK. I had to draw the line somewhere, which unfortunately meant switching away from LineageOS.
I went with iOS, because IMO it’s the least bad option out there. I made some horrible compromises, but at least I can live in 2023 like everyone else. I’m not at all happy with this decision, but at least iOS isn’t half as infuriating as it used to be 10 years ago.
I use a phone with LOS and I haven’t had any problems with it. Though I am 13, so I don’t have to worry about stuff like banks apps yet.
LOS is good for a lot of things, so keep on using it until you run into a brick wall like I did. Hopefully, someone has already figured out a solution by then or maybe you can just choose to use a different app instead.
I’m 13, I’ll probably be able to choose what banks I keep my money at and other stuff like this based on their support for my OS.
Well… for now at least. Who’s to say that won’t be the next thing on their list. They do make a pretty penny on the play store as is, and could improve that if they banned side-loading. And let’s be honest, side-loading is probably a niche thing still.
Niche for common people, but very much used by privacy concerned tech ppl. F-droid is a thing and so is obtainium, 2 play store alternatives that are side-loaded and give access to FOSS apps.
Some manufacturers limit rooting, promote their appstores, recomend to redownload a freshly installed app but now from them, have their ‘antivirus’ and ‘cache’ scanners, randomly unload background apps they think are less valuable from RAM and revoke their permissions while their own apps require additional permissions and accounts even though they just switch wallpapers or play videos. If we look at that, Google have much to implement and still have side-loading availiable, just very disencouraged.
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Who knows, I might switch.
That seems slightly hyperbolic
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School/university online classes and messaging/collaboration
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Business enterprise messaging/collaboration locked to Google services
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Business enterprise sites locked to Chromium based browsers
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Government sites locked to Chromium based browsers
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Remember when government websites only worked on IE6, well into the late 2000s? I even remember Hillary Clinton proposing that government employees only be allowed to use Internet Explorer when she was a senator.
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I misremembered, it was when she was secretary of state:
https://www.theregister.com/2009/07/13/firefox_and_us_state_department/
I don’t know what your quote is from, is it chatgpt?
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Not forever - maybe - but until then, government employees trying to log onto government services like iFTDTL or NSIPS or half a dozen other sites, as well as students logging into their university email or corporate employees logging into enterprise networks are stuck on Google apps or Google-adjacent like Edge.
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It didn’t start that way, it wasn’t until they had dominance in multiple areas that they started fucking their customers, but the difference here is that it’s stupid easy to change to Firefox, Safari, or gasp Edge.
Edge is chromium. And safari is still apple only. So you’re last sentence is wrong, but it is indeed super easy to switch to Firefox, or another non-chromium based browser.
And safari is still apple only
Gnome Web (Epiphany Browser)
If you are into WebKit (is a port, I’m aware), that browser looks worth giving a shot, what features do you like about it?
I’ve only really used it to check how my portfolio site would render on a non-Chromium and non-Gecko browser, and actually found a few issues with the site that needed fixing. Would have used Safari if I had it, but the only apple device in my household runs Linux 🤫.
Aside from that, it’s a very lightweight browser and fits in well with the Gnome DE design style. Personally I wouldn’t use it as a primary browser since I’ve got all my extensions, bookmarks and container tabs all set up in Firefox, however the simplicity and clean design of Epiphany is quite appealing imo. The last time I tried it there was an option in the browser settings to block ads, pretty nice to have that OOTB
Chromium isn’t as bad as Chrome, Google actively tries to get you to use Chrome by blocking some features in Chromium (like account syncing).
That’s like equating evil and evil, both are still Google, both are gonna have mv2 removed (eventually) making web filtering a nightmare. I have all kinds of add-ons that prohibit any scripts from running on a website without my explicit authorization. Mv3 will break that level of security. Chromium=chrome both owned and maintained by Google.
You are aware that Chromium is an open source project and isn’t owned by anyone, right? Google created the engine/framework and are the biggest contributors to it, but that’s akin to saying “Red Hat (or Linus himself) owns Linux”.
Google has full control over Chrome which is closed source and has their specific tweaks, they don’t have full control over Chromium. I could fork the Chromium repo and there is nothing that Google can do to add in any of their tracking because I have a full copy of the source code and can modify it as I see fit.
Chromium is not Chrome. Just like Edge isn’t Chrome.
Forking chromium and stripping out all the google tracking is near impossible(for smaller dev teams). I am aware there are valiant attempts at de-googleing chromium but every one of them that i tried was either still phoning home, or ran like shit, or were so behind on security updates that it was dangerous to use them.
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Which is second to the greatest feature, containers!
Never looked into using firefox but the enshitification has forced me to do so.
awesome browser imo. and i switched back from opera GX
Same
Talk about misunderstanding your user base… The backlash will be tremendous. I’m considering banning Chrome at work because of the security risk of letting business people use the Internet without the protection of an ad blocker.
Google Chrome will limit your digital rights starting June 2024
Wait, not “starting,” my bad.
It’s roughly a month that I switched to firefox on pc and android and I’ve never been happier!
chrome keeps locking up my win11 today. posting from ff now, again. gg google
Why the hell aren’t you on Firefox?
Because bold fonts look weird in Firefox and I have not found a way to change that
I did have a strange issue with that in the past, but not any more.
I think it went away after going through the Windows ClearType gubbins again.
I remember trying this as well but it didn’t help, and the problem also exists on Linux
Oh god, that menu is the worst shit. I literally downloaded an open source program to tweak it.
It’s been forever since I last looked, but can’t you actually change what fonts are used from within Firefox directly?
Weird do you have a screen shot you can share? they look fine to me.
Could it be something withyour windows installation?
Here is a picture that demonstrates the problem. On the left is Firefox and on the right Thorium (Chromium). I’ve had this problem on Windows before but now I’m using Linux and it’s the same unfortunately.
Here is a picture that demonstrates the problem. On the left is Firefox and on the right Thorium (Chromium).
If I’m understanding that screenshot correctly, it looks like Thorium (Chromium) is ignoring the text values and bolding any of them at the max bolding value, where Firefox respects the text values and bolts off of that just slightly.
Yea, just tested it myself and i have the same problem. but not in choromium.
Weird!
Using DuckDuckGo (Android), which is chromium-based, it has the same problem, all text weights are bolded at the maximum values.
It looks like Firefox is trying to be more respectful of the text weights, when deciding how to bold text.
That’s new to me. Can you share a screenshot?
Sure, please check the other reply in this comment thread
Laughs in Firefox
Came here to laugh at this.
I just can’t get used to Firefox. Last time I tried it (earlier this year), I tried for 2 months. Can’t remember all the reasons, but using the adresbar as calculator and see the results without pressing enter is so ingrained in my way of working. Just alt+d, 2+2 shows the result. Give me something better than that and I’ll give Firefox an other shot.
Edit: lol at my downvotes. That’s what I get for asking a genuine question I guess. People really looove their Firefox here. (me too, but I’m missing some features)
You can map a keyboard shortcut to the calculator in Windows and have a more robust option no matter what browser you use.
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Fire. Fox.
Water. Fox. Try it
What’s the point?
I just like diversity
If it had a different browser engine, I’d be right there with you. But it’s “just” an opinionated firefox. It’s not using another browser-, rendering-, or layout engine.
It’s in many aspects not better or even inferior to Firefox according to a test I read.
Will this affect chromium based browsers too
Depends on the browser. Some chromium-based browsers won’t be affected and some will.
Just go to the browser’s help page to find out.
And may they burn
Google rn after reading your comment
It was super effective!
Let see what’s happening in a year… for now everything fine when the time comes then people will have to find a solution but anyway who cares what Google say haha…
Hi Firefox. It’s been a while…
It shouldn’t have been a while
Eh, when Chrome first came out, Firefox was incredibly clunky and slow in comparison.
At least it was for me, which was why I switched back then.
Google’s YouTube shenanigans earlier this year got me back to Firefox though, and the more Google does crap like this the more I’m thinking my next phone may take me back to the Appleverse.
Yea, i swapped to chrome when it was on the rise, and it was subsantially faster than firefox.
These days i find firefox as fast, or faster.
Yeah I honestly expected some growing pains with the switch but it was a lot smoother than I expected.
Why not CustomROMs?
Because I don’t even know what that is?
To put it simply, a “custom ROM” in this context means a modified version of Android. Many of these versions are based on AOSP (Android Open-Source Project), which is still maintained by Google, but is in fact open-source and doesn’t include Google services. Therefore, there is a possibility to use Android phones (given you have one with unlockable bootloader) without any Google apps or account.
I guess I am just past the time where I enjoy…or even am willing to…delve into the way my devices work, run non standard stuff on them, or have some unique setup on them.
I don’t feel like my needs or desires are too awfully picky or niche at this point, I just don’t want my shit to be actively fighting me in day to day function.
When I got my first smart phone, I went Android for the increased options to customize and more hardware and app options.
As time went on, I got to a point where the hardware all sucked compared to iPhone, couldn’t find a phone I liked that did all the things as well as an iPhone, so I switched, trading customize-ability for function.
While that was a trade that worked, I still missed Android as I found the iPhone trying to constantly force me to do things a certain way. And when I went looking for ways to change that, most of the apple community basically said, “If you don’t want to do things the apple way, you’re the one that’s wrong and needs to change”
So after that one, I came right back to Android.
My last phone was pretty good but this one has so many quirks and hardware issues that just the experience of using the phone frustrates me and I’ve only had it a few months.
Not seeing anything else I like on the market, my options seem to be annoyance with hardware, annoyance with software, or annoyance with hardware and fuss with installing non typical software.
I get it, I have a similar situation, except since I came back to Android I have been nothing but happy.
I used to be into running custom stuff on Android before my switch to an iPhone. And I, too, have found it frustrating to be forced to respect Apple’s rules.
Now, however, I have a Pixel 7 and it’s been a perfect experience so far. Running the stock OS non-rooted, it finally feels like my phone.
Trust me, if you care about what’s happening to Google and YouTube right now, you won’t love what has been happening to Apple and it’s products for the last decade or so.
To abuse a saying…
Best time to be on Firefox? Yesterday.
Second best? Today.
