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@getoffthedrugsdude@lemmy.ml to Programmer Humor@lemmy.ml • 2 years ago

this technology suffers from high latency

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this technology suffers from high latency

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@getoffthedrugsdude@lemmy.ml to Programmer Humor@lemmy.ml • 2 years ago
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IPoAC

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  • @Senseless@feddit.de
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    2 years ago

    When Baldur’s Gate 3 came out our group of friends wanted to start a game together. Since one of our friends, living about a kilometer away, has shitty internet it was faster for me to download the game myself, copy it to a USB stick, have it driven over by another friend, copy it onto the friends PC and verify file integrity than downloading it.

    German internet in a nutshell.

    So yeah, IPoAC would’ve it’s purpose.

    • @fl42v@lemmy.ml
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      77•2 years ago

      quote-never-underestimate-the-bandwidth-of-a-station-wagon-full-of-tapes-hurtling-down-the-andrew-s-tanenbaum-80-15-90-3647818434

      • @topinambour_rex@lemmy.world
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        For render the first picture of a black hole a couple of uear ago, the data transfer was done through hdds transported by a plane, than a data transfer through Internet, because the former was so much faster.

        https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/289423-it-took-half-a-ton-of-hard-drives-to-store-eht-black-hole-image-data

      • @d3m0nr4v3r@feddit.de
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        1•2 years ago

        deleted by creator

      • @iamtherealwalrus@lemmy.world
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        10•2 years ago

        You are joking. But https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/ is real.

        • @Pipoca@lemmy.world
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          3•2 years ago

          It’s a real quote, from the 80s, published in a networking textbook.

          It’s amusing, but it’s always been a serious and occasionally practical observation.

          • @CanadaPlus@futurology.today
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            5•2 years ago

            Relevant XKCD.

    • @uis@lemmy.world
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      15•2 years ago

      German internet in a nutshell.

      At least you got better healthcare.

    • @SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml
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      7•2 years ago

      I bet he had ADSL

      • @Senseless@feddit.de
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        4•2 years ago

        50 MBit/s VDSL.

        • @Zunon@lemmy.world
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          4•2 years ago

          Seeing it written as MBit/s feels so wrong to me, I read it as MB/s at first then I realized it’s Mb/s.

        • Karyoplasma
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          8•2 years ago

          Is it a German reaction to think: Hey, 50MBit is not that bad?

          • @Zunon@lemmy.world
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            I still remember when 150KiB/s was what we had as a child. It was very usable for the small amounts of data we needed back then.

    • @Pipoca@lemmy.world
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      IPoAC is a joke about printing actual IP packets, sending them by pigeon, then scanning them.

      You do the whole usual TCP ACK/SYN thing, but with pigeons.

      It’s not the same as ‘sneakernet, but strapping microsd cards to a pigeon’. It’s way, way sillier.

      • @Senseless@feddit.de
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        5•2 years ago

        You know, explaining jokes doesn’t make them funnier.

        • @Saigonauticon@voltage.vn
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          3•2 years ago

          It makes them funnier the next time I hear them, in a new context though :)

    • @stingpie@lemmy.world
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      4•2 years ago

      I’m assuming English isn’t your first language, but “IPoAC would’ve it’s purpose” is grammatically awkward. “Would’ve” doesn’t really work for possession. Instead you can use “would have,” but people would typically say “IPoAC has it’s purpose”

      • @Senseless@feddit.de
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        Thanks for the clarification. You’re right, English isn’t my first language.

        I’m a bit confused by your sentence:

        ““Would’ve” me doesn’t really work fur possession. Instead you can use “would have””

        That’s the same thing, isn’t it? My idea with using “would’ve” was that IPoAC would have it’s purpose, if it was a thing. I’m missing the descriptive word in either language right now.

        • @stingpie@lemmy.world
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          The word “have” is used in two different ways. One way is to own or hold something, so if I’m holding a pencil, I have it. But another way is as a way so signal different tenses (as in grammatical tense) so you can say “I shouldn’t have done it” or “they have tried it before.” The contraction “'ve” is only used for tense, but not to own something. So, the phrase “they’ve it” is grammatically incorrect.

  • @Aceticon@lemmy.world
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    34•2 years ago

    The protocol is highly susceptible to DOS attacks by means of BB guns, slingshots or, for more sophisticated hackers, trained hawks.

    • @wizzor@sopuli.xyz
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      17•2 years ago

      “Unintentional encapsulation in hawks has been known to occur, with decapsulation being messy and the packets mangled.”

    • @itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      5•2 years ago

      more sophisticated hawkers, if you will

    • @uis@lemmy.world
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      Or more sophisticated hawks

  • ѕєχυαℓ ρσℓутσρє
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    18•2 years ago

    Can a pigeon deliver my data faster than the Internet?

  • @EatYouWell@lemmy.world
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    49•2 years ago

    But also super high throughput.

  • @Nobody@lemmy.world
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    10•2 years ago

    Government drone birds can handle surprisingly large amounts of data.

  • keepcarrot [she/her]
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    10•2 years ago

    Reminds be of the conversations about transferring hard drives using the public transport system in my city. Good bandwidth, terrible latency. Then everyone got faster internet and stopped pirating

    • @cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de
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      12•2 years ago

      “Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.” – Andrew Tanenbaum

      • keepcarrot [she/her]
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        My dad had tapes, but I never got to see data go from a tape to ram. They had 8 GB of space, I remember

        • @cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de
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          1•2 years ago

          Tapes hold a lot more now. LTO-9 tapes hold 18 TB and IBM 3592 Gen 6 tapes hold 50 TB.

  • @TheFriendlyArtificer@beehaw.org
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    20•2 years ago

    So Alfred Hitchcock predicted DDOS attacks decades before they were a thing?

    • @UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml
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      1•2 years ago

      I…

  • @Ddhuud@lemmy.world
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    12•2 years ago

    Routing information protocol, little pigeon, routing information protocol.

  • @Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca
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    9•2 years ago

    My neighbor bought a bird feeder, how do I defend against MitM?

    • @UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml
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      6•2 years ago

      Buy better seed and a bird bath.

  • oNevia
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    30•2 years ago

    “an example of packet loss” 🤣

    • threelonmusketeers
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      14•2 years ago

      Yes, we also saw the same post you did.

  • @redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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    Strap 20 sd card with 1TB capacity each. Send the pidgeon to a neighboring city, 2 hours flight time.

    Bandwidth: 2.78 GB/s (assuming no wild hawks in the area)

    • @BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works
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      You are forgetting the time it takes to copy the data to and from these cards. Data may be transported, but it is not usable until you copy it. Copying 20 TiB is probaply going to take some time

      • @redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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        Fastest SD card has ~300MB/s read speed and ~250MB/s write speed. Assuming you can write to those cards in parallel, that means you’ll need an additional one hour to write the data to the SD cards and another one hour to read them back. So 4 hours in total which halves the data rates to 1.39 GB/s.

        That’s assuming the card can actually sustain ~250MB/s write speed during the full 1TB copy. It probably can if the card is freshly formatted but I haven’t actually tested it myself.

        • @BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works
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          That’s still very fast

      • tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺
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        you have the same problem with downloads though. In the end any download rate exceeding your disc write speed doesnt get you there faster.

        ofc. you can write as you download, which makes things faster.

    • @whereBeWaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      When “packet loss” occurs:

      This little maneuver is gonna cost us 51 years

    • @Resonosity@lemmy.ca
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      That’s a terrible ping 😂

    • @doubletandard@lemmy.world
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      23•2 years ago

      high speed low drag

      • @doppelgangmember@lemmy.world
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        5•2 years ago

        Not until I use my… dragnet

    • @SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      79•2 years ago

      “Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.”

    • @Pipoca@lemmy.world
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      MicroSD cards are better, here. They’re 250mg; a pigeon can transport 75g. That’s 300 microSD cards, ignoring the weight of the SD card enclosure.

  • @ExLisper@linux.community
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    29•2 years ago

    Some guys actually managed to do a ping using this standard. I saw pictures and all.

    • 🐑🇸 🇭 🇪 🇪 🇵 🇱 🇪🐑
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      1•2 years ago

      And apparently it was better than the local internet provider

  • @hakunawazo@lemmy.world
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    5•2 years ago

    So it’s obviously not a sneakernet. Is it a wingnet?

  • @Treczoks@lemm.ee
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    Ahh, the good old RFCs dated April, 1st. This one is number 1149 ( A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers), and got later updated in RFC 2549 (IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service).

  • EtzBetz
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    19•2 years ago

    You need to set a pretty damn high timeout time for this to work.

    • Malgas
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      13•2 years ago

      That said, the bandwidth of strapping microSD cards to carrier pigeons is actually pretty high.

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