Whats the point of writing prn, f@ck, sht or anything like that instead of the actual words? You can still read them, its not like they are gone if you replace a letter or two.
cause i’m f@cking polite you a$$hole!
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Tbh I agree, but not like that. Self-censorship is useful in the sense of a larger vocabulary or unique or silly insults, or slang/code like Jive, but to use a word and still censor that word is preposterous. Just use a differen’t word you turkey! Don’t just say “d!ck” for “dick,” say “weiner,” it’s more funny anyway.
I have noticed that my phone will autocorrect/misrecognize some swears. Fuck is often duck.
At least on android, i find you can enable offensive words in keyboard settings to fix this
I am not going to login to see it, but I appreciate your effort. 😁
Didnt realise you had to login to see nsfw models. Thats the model in question:
@[email protected] Depending on which platform it’s on, it would auto-detect any profanity so it the way to bypass it
I have a habit born out of having young kids around of cartoonizing more expressive language that leaks over into online conversations. There might be a bit of that going on along side the more censorship style responses put out elsewhere.
Why not just cuss around children and teach them when it’s appropriate? I’ve never understood “shielding” them from something they’ll get exposed to with or without you. May as well make it a teaching moment.
Because there really isn’t a place where it’s nessecary and thus appropriate. Sometimes it’s cathartic, but in general it’s used as a fallback for when other words and expression fail. In that regard it’s less shielding and more setting an example.
I’m going to hard disagree, saying cuss words are a “fallback” sounds very elitist. Gives me real “we’re better than that” vibes, like not cussing puts you in some higher tier of society.
Calling someone a fucking ass doesn’t convey anything of what your point is. In those cases where someone absolutely can’t be reasoned with swearing at them isn’t going to change the situation, actions might, but words won’t.
Another mentioned about it being needed in some cases where the situation doesn’t merit politeness. In those cases though what’s gained by charged emotional responses if you’re going to engage at all? It’s wasting energy on thing that have no benefit to anyone.
Cursing really only has any meaning because we give the words power. Similar to slurs against various groups, they only have bite because we give them meaning and history. I’ll give this challenge, give me an instance where any given situation was benefitted by their use though, outside of mere expression of rage or hate what benefit did it add?
I swear a fair bit but sometimes I feel like it’s a cop-out… a lazy way to add emphasis, and if I think for a minute I can usually find more specific and expressive words.
Sorry, it’s not true. A proper expletive conveys the precise emotional state and the unwillingness to preserve forced politeness, because one doesn’t feel the need to appease others, or because the situation doesn’t warrant it.
I disagree, there are definitely places where it’s necessary and it’s always appropriate where it’s necessary. It’s not a fallback for anything, it’s not a failure of the language. It’s a feature, not a bug. Probably don’t want to do it in formal environments, but even then there are times when it is absolutely the right language to use.
I agree with this, but you should teach your kids, not other people’s kids. I avoid it around kids because their parents don’t want me to do it, but I do cuss in casual conversation.
Because teaching takes time, kids don’t learn abstract concepts, like social cues, overnight.
Grandma told a funny joke, this is a lighthearted casual situation.
“Great Fucking Joke Grandma!”It’s not shielding them entirely, it’s waiting until they are old (read:smart) enough to have a good chance of knowing when it’s OK.
Habit. If I name my folder “Pron,” then nobody who sees my desktop will know what’s in it.
I’ve seen that for words that are considered to be ‘triggers’, as if saying ‘r@pe’ is somehow different at all than just using the normal vowel.
That behavior drives me up the fucking wall, because by munging the word they make it less likely to be caught by user-invoked blocklists. Meaning they’re forcing people to be triggered after taking steps to avoid such.
Don’t fucking do that shit.
for the blocklist or whatever: rape
A lot of it comes from Tiktok culture. YouTube has started doing it too.
Videos that say “kill”, “rape”, “died”, etc are all deprioritized by the algorithm if not demonetized entirely.
People have been editing subtitles to avoid these words, and the behavior spread.
That makes sense.
I suspect it’s largely become a habit from people being on platforms that have automatic blocked word filters.
On Lemmy, there’s no good reason. But they may be carrying over habits from other sites where there is harsh censorship of non-advertiser-friendly language
On lemmy.ml at least, there’s a very good reason cause the admins are authoritarians. Can’t even say “bitch” without it getting removed.
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I’m just surprised I haven’t been banned from .ml yet for calling out tankies when they do shitty tankie things.
Fun fact 1: if you do get banned or have your comments removed you’ll only know if you check the modlogs. And likely only if you check the modlogs of the instance that took action against you as the modlogs don’t fully sync between each other.
Fun fact 2: you have been in the past, here’s a link to the mod actions against you on .ml
Fun fact 3: and so have I, I only just recently finished a 2 week ban over here on .ml for calling that kind of stuff out on here.
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White liberals don’t try to justify using slurs challenge 2023 [IMPOSSIBLE!]
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Biiiiiiitch…
Oooh ooh oh i’m sooo triggered right now 😒
You know what it’s called when you do something someone has clearly stated they don’t like? It’s called rape culture, but that’s not a conversation any of you crackers are ready to have yet. You all still need to have basic decency explained to you in a youtube essay.
Let’s get something straight right here, rape culture is not simply doing something that someone else has expressed a distaste for. Going into a public forum that you do not own or have control over, asking/telling the people there to act a certain way, and them responding by ignoring that request is not rape culture.
If it was a more private situation, like a group chat among friends, or even a public forum but an individual discussion between a small group of 2-3 people talking directly to each other, respect should be given to requests. If you were having a back and forth conversation with someone, and asked them not to swear while talking with you, they should respect that. But coming into public forum and demanding everyone else adhere to your rules, then spouting “rape culture” if they don’t follow along, is only cheapening the phrase “rape culture” and removing meaning from it.
That rhetoric is the same as when neo-nazis go around saying “lets not cheapen nazi by calling everyone we disagree with nazi”
Not a good look.
No words should be cheapened. None of them. Not Nazi, not Fascist, not woke, and not anything else.
They all have meanings for a reason. Better we all learn them and use em correctly instead of throwing the word at something irrelevant just because we don’t it as if we were children.
Good to know which instance to avoid!
Sounds shit, the admins must be right bitches
So then that leads to the question: why is lemmy.ml run by a bunch of prudish babies?
A better question is why do you feel the need to die on the hill of using slurs?
Why do you feel the need to bitch about it?
“Don’t do the thing” “I’m going to do the thing you just told me not to do”
Rape culture.
No.
But thank you for establishing the fact you lack the cognitive capacity to engage this thread in good faith.
Whatever, rapist.
Rape culture
Because someone said bitch and doesn’t follow your orders?
Lol.
But you’re also probably trolling
Imagine being so far right that you think basic decency is “trolling”
Garbage human.
Holy fucking hell. What kind of pearl clutching Victorian era bullshit is that?
Because swearing is a natural part of the human experience and most level headed people don’t feel the need to suppress human expression.
Swearing serves an important biological need to express emotion and communicate. Psychologically, we swear to express strong emotions and when people swear, they are inherently viewed as more trustworthy or honest. Swearing helps people bond.
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What a gosh darn cunt.
I think there’s some miscommunication here. You’re the only person in this thread that brought up slurs. Everyone else is talking about swear words which is a different thing. I don’t think anyone here is saying slurs aren’t bad. What people are saying is it should be ok to use swear words, which you just demonstrated with your comment.
I’m not confused, misogo is so rampant that people don’t even consider them to be slurs, kind of like what used to happen to ableist slurs.
I’m willing to bet a good amount of people in this comment section used to use ableist slurs before they were told not to, because they treat slurs as “words I’m not allowed to say” rather than genuinely not wanting to hurt the groups that said slurs are targeting.
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because fuck you? /s
“Bitch” is not a slur. It is a swear. Swears are fine, slurs are not. They are not equivelant, and shouldn’t be treated as such.
I hate ml mods as much as the next guy, but also I would consider “bitch” to be kinda misogynistic in certain context.
see the problem I have here is by banning a word that is used as a slur maybe once every 1000 times you remove the 999 times it was not used as a slur, thereby making the situation worse rather than better. Banning words does fuck all to promote a healthier culture, all it does is make the vultures migrate to the next word they load up with negative connotations
The same can be said of any gendered term. That’s honestly a comment on the context more than the word.
If you say the word bitch is as offensive as the f slur, t slur or n word, then you’re saying those slurs are as harmless as the word bitch. If you believe that, I am offended by you. Do not put them in the same group.
“Being polite and using inclusive language is authoritarian”
If you gave “authoritarian” to an AI that determined what it meant through it use alone, it would think it means “Won’t let me be a nazi”
You can be goddamn polite and still swear without automatically becoming a fucking asshole.
What you say can oftentimes be more important than the words you use to express the idea
Here’s a great stand-up routine that highlights what I mean. Fair warning: there’s some pretty NSFW language in it.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Here’s a great stand-up routine that highlights what I mean.
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“There are no bad words, but there are several bad ways to express what you mean”
–Me (tho I’m sure someone way smarter than I has put out the same idea, but better worded, ironically enough)
Although I totally get why lemmy.ml would want to do something like that, it’s not “being polite…”, it’s “enforcing politeness…”
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Generally I don’t care about words like bitch, fuck, shit, but there are certain servers and communities where cusses or other words are used harmfully towards groups that the community or server is inteded to be a supportive place for, and when they come up in discussion, even just as examples as what was said to them are rightfully censored or have a trigger warning placed in front.
Community mods and server operators can get overboard with this but they get that privilege because they do the work to moderate it anyway.
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there is. cant write female dog for example
What about n-word? You’re thinking about that word right now. Makes no difference wether I use the actual word or not.
Well, words like “fuck” or “shit” don’t indicate harm and aren’t supposed to offend people, so I think people should censor slurs but not swear words. Like, I’m autistic and feel kinda bad whenever I see the r-word being thrown around (I assume that some people have similar experiences with racial slurs), but I don’t get the same feeling if someone says “fuck”.
That’s a bit different though. We don’t (generally) use “n-word” in place of the slur the way someone might type f!#k or say “frick” in place of “fuck.” We use it to talk about the term. So when someone is censoring themselves with replacement it can feel pointless, since the sentiment is the same: we both know what word you want to use to express yourself, just use it. When you use a censored alternative to a slur, you’re not just swapping one thing in for another leaving your meaning unchanged. You’re communicating an intention to avoid what you know to be a symbol of hate in a context that has no hateful intent.
Ni!
O, what dark times… When passing ruffians can say “Ni!” …at will, to old ladies.
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Bitch
You are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.
Thanks a lot, you shitbrained, fart faced, ball breaking, duck fucking pain in the ass.
You lewd, crude bag of pre-chewed food dude.
Comes from the social media platforms that auto remove stories that contain certain words. Tiktok, Instagram, etc.
Cool, all the platforms I don’t use anyway.
Think I just don’t like places that are squeaky clean.
TikTok and Instagram are squeaky clean?
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The communists are policing speech? Who would have guessed
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I think it’s not a swear filter, but more like a ‘potentially discriminatory terms’ filter.
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Theirs didn’t, yours did
What’s a female dog called?
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Tbh that one drives me nuts, on some sites I can’t even say “Yeah I was bitching about Bad Idea’s availability to my shop’s owner and he said he didn’t want to carry their products because the guys running it are cunts.” (Curious to see what happens to this comment lmao)
Like dude, I’m the one I said was bitching about the thing, don’t fucking censor my colloquialisms, I wasn’t even trying to insult me!
A good girl.
Fun fact: you won’t get told when your stuff is removed or if you get banned. You have to check the modlogs.
This is Lemmy wide.
And look like it’s still up as of 2 hours after you posted
Edit: Spleling
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Wow I didn’t know that. Good thing I switched to a different instance (although it was mostly due to poor performance on lemmy.ml at the time).
I’m on lemmy.world and there is no fucking swear filter.
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I think for posters on .ml, the words are actually removed and not just hidden from them. So that’s why you see it from other instances on their posts too.
One possible reason is that some words on controversial subjects can attract mobs of posters with an agenda. They search for keywords to find threads to flood with their arguments.
So posters would get in the habit of saying something like “I love p1n3apple on p*zza” to avoid the wrath of pizza purists (made-up example, but substitute with anything more controversial).
This was a big problem during the 2016 election on reddit. There were armies of idiots who searched for comments containing ‘Trump’ and would brigade the shit out of it. But if you changed the ‘p’ to a ‘р’ (the Cyclic character) or changed the ‘u’ to a ‘ս’ (the Armenian character) miraculously you wouldn’t be brigaded.
