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Image description: Image shows batches 1, 2 and 3 sold out for the Ryzen 7 7840HS which costs $1,399.
For now both DIY and prebuild edition (all configurations) are in batch 4 which ships in late Q4 2023.
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How many is a “batch” I wonder?
5
Lol guessing it’s a tiny bit more than 5.
I’m guessing Linus’s investment is safe then :)
His investment is probably part of why these are such a hot commodity.
The media presence and advertising from LMG is worth a crazy amount. His followers are the exact target audience of this device and as long as he’s showing off what they’re up to I think they’ll continue to sell like this.
Spot on. I would have no idea Framework existed without LTT, and I likely would not have clicked into the article or comments on this thread, either.
Never heard of them before this but the name and sold out had me curious so I looked them up. If I was in the market for laptop this would for sure be my top choice. I greatly prefer my desktop and anything I can’t do there I just do on my phone so everytime I get the itch for a laptop I regret buying it because it ends up just sitting.
And we as tech enthusiasts will also recommend them to others, for obvious reasons.
I currently own a macbook and i am scared of the day thered any issues with it
Not sure if demand is high or inventory is very low.
Their website crashed shortly after pre-orders went live. Could be a coincidence, could be high demand. Could also be crappy server infrastructure.
Big-yet-thin, affordable Ryzen laptops with the option to add a real GPU to, that are just as upgradeable (component wise, if not market-availability wise) as a desktop?
Demand is high. Demand will remain high.
I can’t be the only one waiting to see more “real people” reviews of production units before plunking down money. I don’t upgrade laptops frequently and I don’t want to buy something buggy (i.e. Linux compatibility for wifi, ACPI, battery life, etc).
And while I’m waiting, I haven’t looked into a good answer to the USB-C dock story for the AMD versions. I see a lot of ambiguous statements about USB4 “being Thunderbolt” but not a lot of concrete statements on compatibility and capability.
Same. Although I wouldn’t hold your breath
LTT/LMG push VERY hard for this (I think Linus is an investor?). And stuff like the screwdriver reviews are a really good example. Almost no outlet said anything bad about it because… it is a good screwdriver (it is literally a licensed chinese knockoff of a wera?). But it is well worth watching the Project Farm review where he very clearly emphasizes specific features and capabilities that put it in a weird hybrid “home”/“automotive” screwdriver category that felt pretty artificial. PF is awesome so his review is still incredibly useful if you just weight as to what you actually need, but a few other outlets did similar “we need to make sure this comes out #1 so that we don’t get lynched” shenanigans.
Previous products took much longer for batches to sell out. Even the AMD framework 13 laptops didn’t sell this fast and they were the #1 thing the community had been asking for for about a year.
We (sadly) can’t tell how many units are in a batch. But we can tell that demand is far exceeding their expectations.
At this point idk if it’s exceeding their expectations, they just literally don’t have enough money to invest into more production yet.
Hopefully that problem will become more and more alleviated as they sell more and more devices.
Yeah can’t imagine that will remain a problem for too much longer if they continue to sell out like this
Bit of both.
They are pretty open about the risks of large batches and large inventory.
And they have the full marketing campaign going. LTT/LMG managed to convince their fanbase to actively advocate against their own consumer rights and the other computer youtubers (like Steve and Jay and Rossman) are pretty positive on at least the business premise.
If you find the Linus tech tips video on Linus’s investment in the company, you might see why. Very interesting!
I thought it was insane that they take apart a fully built laptop to sell the diy version.
It’s way more work for Framework, but they charge less for the diy model.
I wonder if user comfort with modifying internals on the diy model creates more sales in the long run, because customers can visualize what they’d be doing when installing an upgrade.
That definitely seemed the like the most jank part of their production line. You’d hope they come up with a fix for that. I wouldn’t be surprised if a significant portion of their sales are DIY, so getting that right has to be pretty important.
DIY or not they still need to test the laptop fully assembled before shipping so I don’t see a way around that.
I think the DIY model doesn’t include some components in the base price and that is why it is cheaper. Once you configure it to include other components it is a comparable price.
It seems the DIY option will only really save you money if you already have those components or if you buy those other components cheaply somewhere else.
I mean the easiest save on components is Ram and SSD storage. its far cheaper in the market then at asking price.
Yeah, how many batches have sold through doesn’t tell us anything unless we know how many are in each one.
I actually have no idea what Framework is.
Check the frame.work website. User repairable and upgradeable. Neat part is removable swappable ports so you configure the sides of your laptop how you like it.
You should search up some videos on them in YouTube
Check it out! It’s a great, modular, and repairable laptop with comparable prices for the specs in regards to mainstream laptops.
You can even upgrade the motherboard, which means as long as the company doesnt go under you can just infinitely reuse and upgrade it kinda like a tower PC.
and you keep the company from going under by buying their products so buy it next time if you need a new laptop and can afford it =) and make sure to upgrade whenever you need it =)
I have their 13" laptop and love it! The ability to open it up and repair stuff has been awesome like I replaced the speakers in mine. With the macbook I had prior I would have had to buy an entire new laptop just to upgrade my speakers.
Great to see!
I bought my last laptop a couple months before they started shipping to Australia last year (dang it…), but Framework will be high on the list next time.
I bought a framework laptop for my significant other last year and it’s amazing. It feels super solid like a Macbook but is easy to open and change out parts. Nothing has broken but adding some ram was probably the most pleasant experience I have had working on a laptop. Plus, the main PCB can run without the rest of the laptop so perhaps a great home automation server or TV computer if we upgrade.
My next machine is definitely going to be one of these. Way cheaper than Apple if you want more than 8G of RAM and a decent amount of disk space.
Not by as much as I thought it would be honestly. About 20%.
When I configured it, a 13" mac pro with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD is $1600 from apple, the 13" framework with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD is $1065. That comes out to a 60% difference for the most basic configuration I would consider.
I’ll have to double check. I did the latest MacBook Air and the latest gen Intel and AMD for the Framework. Upped the CPU and battery on the Framework to keep it competitive with the Mac’s battery life and it came out to $1450.
I also kept them to 16GB RAM and 1TB storage.
Fixed typos. And now I want a 1TB battery.
Batches 4 and 5 are also sold out by now.
Meanwhile, batches 8 and 9 have been added to the list. Looks like they did not anticipate this kind of success.
That is great! When the fuck can i buy one?
Been two years now since i first heard about Framework from the first LTT video on it (just checked at that video actualy came out in july 2021), and i was allready looking at replacing my laptop, so i thought Framework would be great to get.
Now two years have passed, and they still aren’t available in my region. Couldn’t realy delay the replacement any more, so now i have ended up getting a different laptop, meaning even i Framework became available here soon, i won’t buy a new laptop for 5-6 years at least.
What is your region?
Northern Europe.
Last i checked (a couple of months back), they were finaly working on keyboard layouts for the area, but still no info on when te laptops would be available around here.
Have you considered a parcel forwarding service?
Sure you may need to shovel an extra 50, but might be worth it. They’re on sale in Germany and France, for example.
I did, when I realised it would take a while and started looking elsewhere.
But since they officialy do not condone it, and have some language in their TOS and warranty, i didn’t bother with it, since while anything they might do against it in regards to warranty wouldn’t hold up in a legal sense, i didn’t want to be the one to test that if it should happen.
Indeed I have placed a pre order today and noticed that disclaimer as well.
Funny, over here in central Europe, I had no problem at all…
Probably because they have released in the major central european countries: https://knowledgebase.frame.work/what-countries-and-regions-do-you-ship-to-r1899ikiO
They really do produce great hardware, in my dev team we either use MacBooks or Framework Laptops depending on what everyone wants to use. Upgradability is great and everyone is really happy with their device so far.
can confirm. Work thinkpad broke a year ago and switched to a framework (had the exact same price for the same specced thinkpad, but was fully repeairable copared to thinkpads).
And just last week I received my personal 13gen intel framework.
Great hardware
Now they’re up to Batch 6 (first Q1 batch!)
I was waiting for the options to be available. I guess it sold out fast. Now I would have to wait until early 2024. However, I need a laptop now. I guess I’ll have to buy something else and upgrade to framework when that upgrade breaks.
I almost threw my hat in this ring but I must wait on people who use Linux to get ahold of it and review it. Proably an early 2024 buy date for me.
At least for framework 13, Linux support was great. I am guessing the same trend would continue. More details here. https://frame.work/linux
EDIT: my comment got eaten and I don’t want to type it again.
TLDR: I had the FW 11 gen and it was not good with Linux when it came to being a laptop. Sleep was fundamentally broken due to hardware issue.
they advertise ubuntu compatibility and the hardware has been out a short while now, so odds are it’s going to be just golden.
I was not a huge fan of the Intel Framework, I used mine for a few weeks in January and had substantial issues with their recommended Ubuntu install. Aside from the battery life, I remember regular OS things were breaking pretty much daily. In the end I returned for a hardware issue (it stopped charging).
Hopefully an AMD core will help at least with battery life, but it seems like Linux users aren’t a primary target. I’m not turned off them forever as I am still conceptually into it, but I’ll wait a bit before trying again.
Same boat. Need those concrete reviews this time around.
I just looked at the framework site. My wifes laptop died recently and was looking at a new one.
Literally everything from the last year is out of stock new stock is pre-order only.
I think they may have some 11th gen models still.
I just bought the wife a Thinkpad T480 refurb instead for 400 bucks.
Is this one of those gadgets that drives companies to pollute more by creating useless periferics
not me searching for what a periferics was
that’s the weirdest, most backwards and worst take I have seen about framework, ever. Congratulations, I don’t think anyone will ever going to top this amount of dribble
It is a fully upgradable and repairable laptop. Framework also offers an enclosure to use old boards as mini desktop PCs, or as a home server, or whatever. Nothing goes to waste.
Yeah I would think if anything this is more sustainable because you can just easily swap the parts that need upgrading instead of having to scrap the whole laptop.
Does Framework do anything regarding FOSS drivers or firmware?
I have personally used fedora and nixos on a gen 1 framework 13 and it works great.
Does Framework do anything regarding FOSS drivers or firmware?
Regarding your question they say this:
We deliberately selected components and modules that didn’t require new kernel driver development and have been providing distro maintainers with pre-release hardware to test to improve compatibility. We’re also working on enabling firmware updates through LVFS to complete the Linux experience.
source: https://frame.work/gb/en/linux
It’s good to know it uses drivers already there. Sadly being part of the kernal somehow doesn’t guarantee the driver are not proprietary binary blobs.
Hell yeah Framework deserves all the goodness coming their way. I have an ASUS that’s serving me well for now, but I think when I go to replace it next year, they’re the ones I’m going to. Hopefully by then, they have AMD boards in the smaller sizes.
I believe Ryzen 7000 boards are already available for preorder in the 13 inch. Preorders are supposed to ship starting late 2023, so you should be all good by next year.
Oh hey that’s great news. Thanks for the update. I hadn’t seen any news about that recently, though admittedly I haven’t been looking.
