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Image description: Image shows batches 1, 2 and 3 sold out for the Ryzen 7 7840HS which costs $1,399.
For now both DIY and prebuild edition (all configurations) are in batch 4 which ships in late Q4 2023.
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That is great! When the fuck can i buy one?
Been two years now since i first heard about Framework from the first LTT video on it (just checked at that video actualy came out in july 2021), and i was allready looking at replacing my laptop, so i thought Framework would be great to get.
Now two years have passed, and they still aren’t available in my region. Couldn’t realy delay the replacement any more, so now i have ended up getting a different laptop, meaning even i Framework became available here soon, i won’t buy a new laptop for 5-6 years at least.
What is your region?
Northern Europe.
Last i checked (a couple of months back), they were finaly working on keyboard layouts for the area, but still no info on when te laptops would be available around here.
Funny, over here in central Europe, I had no problem at all…
Probably because they have released in the major central european countries: https://knowledgebase.frame.work/what-countries-and-regions-do-you-ship-to-r1899ikiO
Have you considered a parcel forwarding service?
Sure you may need to shovel an extra 50, but might be worth it. They’re on sale in Germany and France, for example.
I did, when I realised it would take a while and started looking elsewhere.
But since they officialy do not condone it, and have some language in their TOS and warranty, i didn’t bother with it, since while anything they might do against it in regards to warranty wouldn’t hold up in a legal sense, i didn’t want to be the one to test that if it should happen.
Indeed I have placed a pre order today and noticed that disclaimer as well.
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I just looked at the framework site. My wifes laptop died recently and was looking at a new one.
Literally everything from the last year is out of stock new stock is pre-order only.
I think they may have some 11th gen models still.
I just bought the wife a Thinkpad T480 refurb instead for 400 bucks.
I bought a framework laptop for my significant other last year and it’s amazing. It feels super solid like a Macbook but is easy to open and change out parts. Nothing has broken but adding some ram was probably the most pleasant experience I have had working on a laptop. Plus, the main PCB can run without the rest of the laptop so perhaps a great home automation server or TV computer if we upgrade.
My next machine is definitely going to be one of these. Way cheaper than Apple if you want more than 8G of RAM and a decent amount of disk space.
Not by as much as I thought it would be honestly. About 20%.
When I configured it, a 13" mac pro with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD is $1600 from apple, the 13" framework with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD is $1065. That comes out to a 60% difference for the most basic configuration I would consider.
I’ll have to double check. I did the latest MacBook Air and the latest gen Intel and AMD for the Framework. Upped the CPU and battery on the Framework to keep it competitive with the Mac’s battery life and it came out to $1450.
I also kept them to 16GB RAM and 1TB storage.
Fixed typos. And now I want a 1TB battery.
I’m guessing Linus’s investment is safe then :)
His investment is probably part of why these are such a hot commodity.
The media presence and advertising from LMG is worth a crazy amount. His followers are the exact target audience of this device and as long as he’s showing off what they’re up to I think they’ll continue to sell like this.
And we as tech enthusiasts will also recommend them to others, for obvious reasons.
I currently own a macbook and i am scared of the day thered any issues with it
Spot on. I would have no idea Framework existed without LTT, and I likely would not have clicked into the article or comments on this thread, either.
Never heard of them before this but the name and sold out had me curious so I looked them up. If I was in the market for laptop this would for sure be my top choice. I greatly prefer my desktop and anything I can’t do there I just do on my phone so everytime I get the itch for a laptop I regret buying it because it ends up just sitting.
I really like the idea but two things stop me… one is cost. They’re considerably more expensive than laptops elsewhere. The seconf is the unproven long term uogtwdeability. In 5 years time when I’m looking to upgrade will framewotk be selling parts that let me do that? A new CPU board and I’m sorted… Ot is it a whole new laptop. I suspect the latter.
I’m sorry, but I fuckin lost it at “uogtwdeability”
At ‘o’ I was thinking “oh their right hand is shifted”. Then at ‘t’ I’m wondering if they use their right hand for ‘r’ but now they are shifted the other way. Finally it finishes at ‘w’ and now they are shifted the other way again and up a row. My conclusion is that they hover their hands above keyboard without touching and just smash down in the general direction of the keys.
The obvious answer is phone keyboard but that’s not as fun.
When I’m not paying attention sometimes one hand will get shifted and I’ll write it a whole sentence with half of the letters offset.
If they are indeed using a phone keyboard, I can only assume the autocorrect was so confused it simply gave up. Either that or they have it turned off.
- Have you looked at other laptops elsewhere? They are a very comparable price. This is the going rate for a laptop of that spec.
- Unproven upgradability? They are quite literally the ONLY laptop manufacturer to have provided ANY upgradability in the last 5 years. Why are you concerned about them letting you upgrade in 5 years when no one else lets you upgrade even next year?
The base £1700 price (and that’s with no ports or hard drive! So more like 2k) is about £800 from HP.
You’re paying for upgradeability. If you can’t upgrade, you’re wasting the money.
But it does have ports and storage? It specifically defaults to 6 USB-C expansion slots which can be switched to USB-A for no price increase or for a minimal price increase any other port.
It also comes with a 512GB SSD. The only thing it doesn’t come with is the dedicated GPU which is an extra £400.
I’ve been curious about these framework laptops for a while now. They seem pretty rad, but I really only compute on desktop, have a work provided laptop that could never be this, and the only other computer I need in my life is a Mac for app development, which this can’t fulfill. If I ever need a non-Mac laptop for personal use, framework would be the thing though.
Next time I need to replace my laptop I’ll be getting a Framework if possible. I hate having old electronics go to waste and my devices are usually still in very good condition, just the internals can’t keep up, so this sort of laptop was made for me. Plus I love tinkering with electronics and some of those modules look interesting!
Same here. I’m not ready to refresh yet, so I’m cheering on the current runs selling out so I’ll get a chance later. Glad to hear they’re having success with the 16 inch model.
waits excitedly for Framework to ship in my region
It’s fine, my current laptop has a couple of years life left in it. They’ll open up orders by then right? Right?
To find the answer , stay tune we’ll be right after this commercial break 📺.
( Later on, story was told that they never returned… )
Not sure if demand is high or inventory is very low.
Their website crashed shortly after pre-orders went live. Could be a coincidence, could be high demand. Could also be crappy server infrastructure.
If you find the Linus tech tips video on Linus’s investment in the company, you might see why. Very interesting!
I thought it was insane that they take apart a fully built laptop to sell the diy version.
It’s way more work for Framework, but they charge less for the diy model.
I wonder if user comfort with modifying internals on the diy model creates more sales in the long run, because customers can visualize what they’d be doing when installing an upgrade.
That definitely seemed the like the most jank part of their production line. You’d hope they come up with a fix for that. I wouldn’t be surprised if a significant portion of their sales are DIY, so getting that right has to be pretty important.
DIY or not they still need to test the laptop fully assembled before shipping so I don’t see a way around that.
I think the DIY model doesn’t include some components in the base price and that is why it is cheaper. Once you configure it to include other components it is a comparable price.
It seems the DIY option will only really save you money if you already have those components or if you buy those other components cheaply somewhere else.
I mean the easiest save on components is Ram and SSD storage. its far cheaper in the market then at asking price.
Previous products took much longer for batches to sell out. Even the AMD framework 13 laptops didn’t sell this fast and they were the #1 thing the community had been asking for for about a year.
We (sadly) can’t tell how many units are in a batch. But we can tell that demand is far exceeding their expectations.
At this point idk if it’s exceeding their expectations, they just literally don’t have enough money to invest into more production yet.
Hopefully that problem will become more and more alleviated as they sell more and more devices.
Yeah can’t imagine that will remain a problem for too much longer if they continue to sell out like this
Bit of both.
They are pretty open about the risks of large batches and large inventory.
And they have the full marketing campaign going. LTT/LMG managed to convince their fanbase to actively advocate against their own consumer rights and the other computer youtubers (like Steve and Jay and Rossman) are pretty positive on at least the business premise.
Big-yet-thin, affordable Ryzen laptops with the option to add a real GPU to, that are just as upgradeable (component wise, if not market-availability wise) as a desktop?
Demand is high. Demand will remain high.
I can’t be the only one waiting to see more “real people” reviews of production units before plunking down money. I don’t upgrade laptops frequently and I don’t want to buy something buggy (i.e. Linux compatibility for wifi, ACPI, battery life, etc).
And while I’m waiting, I haven’t looked into a good answer to the USB-C dock story for the AMD versions. I see a lot of ambiguous statements about USB4 “being Thunderbolt” but not a lot of concrete statements on compatibility and capability.
Same. Although I wouldn’t hold your breath
LTT/LMG push VERY hard for this (I think Linus is an investor?). And stuff like the screwdriver reviews are a really good example. Almost no outlet said anything bad about it because… it is a good screwdriver (it is literally a licensed chinese knockoff of a wera?). But it is well worth watching the Project Farm review where he very clearly emphasizes specific features and capabilities that put it in a weird hybrid “home”/“automotive” screwdriver category that felt pretty artificial. PF is awesome so his review is still incredibly useful if you just weight as to what you actually need, but a few other outlets did similar “we need to make sure this comes out #1 so that we don’t get lynched” shenanigans.
Yeah, how many batches have sold through doesn’t tell us anything unless we know how many are in each one.
You can also buy MiniPCs from bee-link or others with same AMD or others powerful ones for cheap, if you don’t absolutely need a laptop
You could also buy soup from the grocery store if you’re hungry.
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Fuck, I’m just trying to buy clothes.
WHY ARE YOU BUYING CLOTHES AT THE SOUP STORE???
look, if you don’t judge me for my preferences, I won’t judge yours
I want to continue quoting the video but people not in the know would just think I’m being rude to you haha
FUCK YOU!
Yeah? That’s a perfectly valid thing to do.
Thanks for validating my lunch choices.
Now they’re up to Batch 6 (first Q1 batch!)
I was waiting for the options to be available. I guess it sold out fast. Now I would have to wait until early 2024. However, I need a laptop now. I guess I’ll have to buy something else and upgrade to framework when that upgrade breaks.
I almost threw my hat in this ring but I must wait on people who use Linux to get ahold of it and review it. Proably an early 2024 buy date for me.
I was not a huge fan of the Intel Framework, I used mine for a few weeks in January and had substantial issues with their recommended Ubuntu install. Aside from the battery life, I remember regular OS things were breaking pretty much daily. In the end I returned for a hardware issue (it stopped charging).
Hopefully an AMD core will help at least with battery life, but it seems like Linux users aren’t a primary target. I’m not turned off them forever as I am still conceptually into it, but I’ll wait a bit before trying again.
Same boat. Need those concrete reviews this time around.
At least for framework 13, Linux support was great. I am guessing the same trend would continue. More details here. https://frame.work/linux
EDIT: my comment got eaten and I don’t want to type it again.
TLDR: I had the FW 11 gen and it was not good with Linux when it came to being a laptop. Sleep was fundamentally broken due to hardware issue.
they advertise ubuntu compatibility and the hardware has been out a short while now, so odds are it’s going to be just golden.
I want one so fucking badly, but I can’t really justify the cost. But I could… Just… Get one anyway. Somebody help me.
Also, when will they be delivered? Not that quickly I suppose? Edit: I can’t read apparently.
Is this one of those gadgets that drives companies to pollute more by creating useless periferics
not me searching for what a periferics was
It is a fully upgradable and repairable laptop. Framework also offers an enclosure to use old boards as mini desktop PCs, or as a home server, or whatever. Nothing goes to waste.
Yeah I would think if anything this is more sustainable because you can just easily swap the parts that need upgrading instead of having to scrap the whole laptop.
that’s the weirdest, most backwards and worst take I have seen about framework, ever. Congratulations, I don’t think anyone will ever going to top this amount of dribble
