Bit of a simple question: Some people on lemmy are still posting stuff from youtube, xitter and the like.
Have you gone full fediverse yet or how far are you?
- traded reddit for lemmy/kbin
- xitter for mastodon
- discord for matrix
- youtube for peertube
Obviously I also mean other alternatives. Which ones do you use and why?
Disclaimer: this question is me asking genuinely but also trying to make it fun by arbitrary ranking/escalating it. Not trying to say one is better than the others.
- 65-75%. I go in Reddit only when I seek for information that cannot be found conveniently otherwise.
- 0%. I don’t have an account in neither. Sometimes I click a link that takes me to Twitter.
- 0%. Visited Matrix’s website but I haven’t though much more about it.
- 0% so far. Haven’t thought much about it yet.
Perfectly reasonable. You really don’t need to know anything about matrix except its the better version of discord, whatsapp, telegram, imessage, fb-messenger, signal, etc. It also can have puppeting for the other services. So you use matrix and can talk to your whatsapp friends if you like. The best clients I’ve used so far are element.io and fluffychat. Check them out if you want.
Peertube is a great thing and has some decent content. You need to be very particular with your search terms on sepiasearch.com though since the discoverability lacks still.
Why is matrix better than discord?
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Thank you for elaborating. Additionally, matrix does not serve you ads, sell your data or has your chats stored somewhere without you able to access it. You can selfhost it too.
I’d love to use matrix more but unfortunately it’s really hard to convince other people to use it.
Then just bridge it. Feel free to hit me up too. @haui:matrix.giftedmc.com
Yeah I just tried to look for one video but found nothing 😅
better version of discord, whatsapp, telegram, imessage, fb-messenger, signal, etc.
How would I set it up?
Yes, thats peertube atm. Check sepiasearch.org and sort by newest. That helped me.
I‘d try it first. You can use matrix.org as a starting point. Its the biggest matrix server and from the foundation that made the protocoll.
If you want to selfhost you need a server that is available on the web (vps or port forward). You then put synapse on it (i did it in docker) and the bridges you want. Once you get the hang its easy.
There are many detailed explanations. If you need a video explanation, I can make one.
Good luck.
I don’t use the latter three, and I’m 90% of the way here from reddit. Don’t have a Fed alternative to my RSS aggregator, so that’s staying for now.
What really intrigues me is replacing my current music library cloud service with Funkwhale, but I haven’t had time to explore that possibility yet.
Switching my photo library hosting to a FOSS option is a longer-term goal.
Havent checked funkwhale yet but I probably will. I‘m using nextcloud to host my icloud stuff. Works great so far.
Basically everything except discord. I don’t use Twitter or anything like that so mastodon isn’t my thing
Ah! The sharkfucker again! We two should link on matrix since we always bump into one another. :) seems like we frequent similar communities. Feel free to add me @haui:matrix.giftedmc.com
And you could use a discord bridge as well. It takes over your discord account and poses as you and you can have all your chats as matrix rooms and places. Pretty insane. I learned that this week.
Have a good one!
Not the shark fucker but could you send me the guide on how to do this? I would love to set this up. Also does it work for multiple accounts?
No worries. I will send you the link. It’s actually surprisingly easy. You either need a matrix instance yourself or ask a matrix instance to install “mautrix-discord” https://github.com/mautrix/discord for you. You can then log in with your discord account and tadaa, done. It’s easy as pie. Tchncs.de does this afaik.
If you want to self host, you need to set up a whole matrix installation first. You need a publicly available computer to set this up and pull a docker image of synapse and mautrix discord. The configuration is very advanced stuff so if you have done stuff like this before, you’ll figure it out but if not, maybe ask your instance to do it for you.
Tis I, the sharkfucker
Currently I use vendetta for discord which is an open source discord client and while I’m pretty happy with it I suppose it could be better at times.
What are the merits of matrix? What is it exactly? Is there a mobile apk? How do I go about this?
It is a protocol. Element or fluffychat are two clients.
The main benefit is you can host it yourself. Fully encrypted, stored on a server you either own or know the owner/location of.
No ads, nitro or otherwise.
You can bridge discord and nearly all other messaging apps like whatsapp, signal, fb messenger etc
Its pretty huge imo.
What? How far am I what?
Never really used Twitter (beyond some retweets to enter giveaways), so no use for Mastodon.
I do have Matrix, but not much happening there for me. Discord is where the people are.
Use Piped (well, LibreTube) instead of going to Youtube directly - it still has the content.
Makes sense. I‘m also using youtube at times since my favorite creators are there but I‘m slowly easing off, always searching on peertube first. :)
You can bridge discord to matrix. That would unify your communications without cutting you off.
- I already had issues with Reddit long before the API drama, due to spam, etc. However when the API drama dropped, I almost 100% switched to kbin, save for the rare occasion I found some useful info on Reddit, with the occasional tumbling into some other interesting threads.
- I post more often to Mastodon, slowly leaving Twitter too, I just need to convince my fellow authors to do so, to give me even less reason to use it. I however decided to limit posting updates of my game engine to Twitter, and instead use the main account now dedicated for it ( @PixelPerfectEngine )
- I haven’t heard of Matrix, I’ll look up it. I don’t have any major gripes with Discord so far.
- Peertube is fine and dandy, however it’s even less adapted than other Fediverse platforms, all while YouTube would be mostly fine IF IT DIDN’T ACTIVELY TRIED TO SABOTAGE MY FIREFOX! I EVEN PAY FOR PREMIUM AND MEMBERSHIPS!
I don’t really use any other save for following a bunch of Misskey accounts with my Mastodon. However, I was thinking on creating a federated game launcher/gaming-focused social network similar to Steam. Some parts of it would use ActivityPub (especially public stuff like achievements), others XMPP or something similar. Issues are the question of a copy protection system, and an anti-cheat system. Banning pirated copies of the game from official networks is probably easy even with open source tools, and likely not so controversial. Anything more than that would require more complicated setups, such as a lot of proprietary stuff, not to mention are very controversial, especially with gamers. Anti-cheat systems are also a though issue, likely being the responsibility of the developer, and also there’ a lot of controversy with them with kernel-level anti-cheat systems.
Sounds awesome! I would instantly sign up for a federated steam! let me know if you go forward. Would even donate.
On the other hand: youtube is evil. Maybe help framasoft with peertube if you’re a dev anyway? Their idea is great. the discoverability is trash though.
If you check matrix, feel free to add me @haui:matrix.giftedmc.com
- never used reddit, but i like my kbin alt acc very much
- xitter never really was my thing, neither masto or pleroma > but when xitter migration sped up last year, i thought that finally something is happening on the fedi, so i signed up at a calckey instance (and later, i got many more accs on other fedi platforms)
- discord? no > matrix? no
- yt: i use alternative frontends, but certainly not peertube
Understandable. Though peertube is a cool platform if you are lucky with searching. Something I hope they will fix soon. I might help with that if I can understand what their search engine does.
Never used xshitter or discord. Now using lemmy and Mastodon. Still using youtube (through newpipe).
Good idea. Maybe check peertube through sepiasearch.org but be specific with your search terms.
Anyone here tried Matrix and Discord?
Is Matrix even close to be as good? I want to do the switch, but there’s no way I convince any of my friends, if it’s not at least a little better at something.
Matrix is okay, but not a drop-in replacement for discord. No calling.
Element supports video calling and it has been working great for me.
Ooh, awesome to know!
Thats wrong. Video calls work flawlessly.
They’re testing calling now actually. Idk how good it is but I saw the option in settings
I use matrix exclusively since a month ago. Works pretty much the same, not ad polished but you can bridge nearly anything to matrix. Whatsapp, Discord, Telegram, Signal etc. i highly suggest you check it out.
Just to understand bridges:
Is it possible for me if, let’s say, I bridged Messenger, WhatsApp and Discord into Matrix, that I could write to anyone from that app only via bridges?
Or how does it work?
Exactly that. One app, all chats.
Another alternative is Revolt. It’s open source and very similar to Discord, but it’s not federated, and thus not part of the fediverse.
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I’ve been using Matrix for the last few months, via Element which supports some newer feature like video and voice calls, and it’s been great. My only complaint is that their Video Rooms feature is kinda flaky with video, which is weird given that one-on-one video calls are rock-solid. Voice-only in a Video Room is reliable tho. Video Rooms are still an experimental feature that you have to enable in your settings.
I’ve seen a couple of Discord servers that use a Matrix Bridge to sync up Discord chats with Matrix Spaces. The only downside to that is that bridges and bots don’t support E2EE, which if you’re bridging to Discord, isn’t much of a downside anyway.
Instead of going fedi I’m going minimal.
Reddit -> Lemmy, with the caveat that time spent on here is minimal, to be reviewed at a later date.
xitter -> nothing, nitter.net if I want to read a xeet linked by another resource. Ultimately for me micro blogging social media is a time suck with little return.
discord -> still on it for a few different reasons, not sure if I’ll set up matrix just to do a bridge, privacy and minimalism are clashing here.
YouTube -> nothing, invidious if I want to watch yt content. Short or low quality video content is another time suck, try and keep video streaming to a minimum for environmental and mental health reasons.
Netflix and others -> the high seas (it is decentralised)
The high seas definitely are a legit strategy in my book.
The discord bridge of matrix is insanely good and I dont see a problem with using discord or just bridging to it. In opposition i think bridging is a lot safer since you‘re not running the site in your browser but in a containerized app which otherwise has no cookies etc.
Already using libre wolf with containers so not sure how much of a benefit I’d get from moving to an app.
Again back to minimalism I’d rather move away from it completely than have to have a another service to continue using discord. Could change if I start using matrix.
You do you. I‘m speaking from the pov that you need at least one way of communicating with friends and peers. Thats what I use matrix for. Lemmy is a forum for me and thats basically it.
I’ve got too many atm, fb messenger, insta, discord, signal, SMS.
Signal is what I’m trying to push, not sure if it counts as decentralised 🤷
Looking to consolidate rather than tack on another that I don’t think anyone I know uses.
Tbf signal is pretty good. Since I‘ve had someone else mention signal in this thread before I‘ve just spent an hour reading. Here‘s what I‘ve found:
the signal protocol and app
The signal protocol is rather secure and anonymous, trying to achieve zero knowledge situations with the server owners. Your contact list can apparently be reconstructed by following the messages, not sure how that works. Just found this in a reddit thread
xmpp (omemo)
The protocol used by whatsapp. Is also very secure, some vulnerabilities have been noted and some concerns with the ability to break the encryption. Not sure how that would work either but I‘ve read that a couple times now.
the matrix protocol
Matrix is notably more focused on stability and has more decentralization capabilities (apparently easier horizontal scaling since your chats are saved on ever server your chat members are on) therefore less failure likelihood.
summary
All the protocols are vulnerable to some attacks and none has a significant advantage. The xmpp foundation has apparently been influenced by google at some point and the matrix foundation has thinly veiled corporate ties which may or may not become a problem. All in all, it’s probably not important which messenger you promote, I have to say the interoperability of matrix through web api bridges has been noted by multiple sources.
Have a good one. :)
Shit, man, if I went full fedi, I’d have even less to contribute than I already do. We’ve gotta have some external sources of news and knowledge.
I have traded reddit for lemmy and just closed my Meta and Xitter accounts and I’m already feeling a disconnect from society. I’ve been subscribing to new youtube channels and setting up RSS feeds to make up for the lack of connection to current events.
Damn. Relatable though.
Remember that you can bridge matrix with discord, whatsapp, telegram, signal and others to unify your communication on IM/Chat
Otherwise, you could try mastodon. Its cool if you liked old twitter. I do kinda but lemmy is more my cup of tea. Also, feel free to contribute. We need people who bring relevant news to non corpo land.
Yes, thank you. I saw you mention bridging matrix to other services in another comment. I’m definitely intrigued and will investigate that. As for Mastodon, I’ve been wanting to find the time to spin up my own server for that one. I’ll definitely be getting deeper into the fediverse, but I also need outside sources of news, preferably not curated by antagonistic algorithms like Facebook.
News is kind of important, depending on your neurologic configuration. I must limit my news input as to not panic (world stands in flames and such). There are a ton of news sources on mastodon if you are willing to check for them.
On another note: i like to look at allsides.com (i think?) if I want to see balanced news. Otherwise I mostly get updates from lemmy memes. :D
Yes for Lemmy and Mastodon. YouTube has too much good content to skip, I feel like sites that can only rely on advertising to be profitable such as video hosting and search are going to be the hardest things to make fair.
I agree. Youtube is very good content wise and peertube still needs work but I dont think ads are the solution. Imo, some kind of small donation would work. Needs more thought though.
A small donation like YouTube premium? I honestly can’t blame YouTube too much for their monetization strategies. Hosting video is terribly expensive, so some form of compensation will always be required, whether it’s via ads or subscription.
While I agree that some compensation is a good idea, youtubes strategies are nothing but monopolist trash.
Take a large youtuber with 2000 videos. Each one being 20 minutes. That is 1 GB max per video. So 2 tb. With a decent connection we‘re talking 50 bucks for the server per month.
I don’t think you understand how much crap these companies are feeding you.
Didn’t use twitter or discord much at all. Switched to lemmy from reddit entirely no pain. Still use Youtube.
However my access and consumption to anything on twitter, a discord channel, or Youtube is probably through Lemmy to begin with.
I‘m really happy that there are bots now that post youtube alternative links like piped. I would love to have something similar happen with peertube at some point. „This channel is on peertube, go a nd watch it there“.
I have. I still use the other ones occasionally for specific topics that don’t get much attention in the fediverse yet (e.g. ufos – I know, I know…), but overall, my main platforms are the fediverse, not the corporate ones.
Congrats! I‘m trying my best to stay off of corpo media but a lot of kinks still need ironing out. Trying to help get peertube to a point where it competes better (since I feel like its very close).
I’ve gone full Lemmy and Mastodon. I’m not going to pretend like Peertube is ever going to be a serious contender. None of my friends are on matrix sadly, so will probably be stuck on sms/discord for a long time.
Two things: peertube is not doing illegal stuff which is how youtube got successful so obviously, people are gonna want to do the right thing if anyone is to have a chance against corpo media. Second, there are matrix bridges for (nearly?) all other platforms (discord, whatsapp, telegram, signal, fbmessenger, etc).
Could you recommend any good tutorials for setting up a bridge?
Trying to make one. Will update
