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They really did did Kill millions of people to get spices and then decide they didn’t like any of them.
This reminds me of an old post I remember seeing where it depicted the contrast between anime food and English film food with some eggs. The anime ones were drawn with utmost care to look downright heavenly, while the English film eggs were very scraggly.
Genuinely I want more foreign food to be more common Like I live in the US so it’s pretty common it’s just hella expensive
Unless you get the questionable Americanized version like taco bell and panda express
In this thread: people that think spices = spicy
i have yet to find a main dish that is not getting better when adding pepper.
Pancakes, the sweet ones
still better with a hint of pepper.
Shit I made gingerbread cookies with a hit of cayenne to really make the ginger pop.
English is a very confusing language to have this conversation in.
Also using “hot” as a measure of how spicy it is and also using it to talk about the actual temperature of the food.
True, as a native English speaker, English sucks lol. There are a bunch of similar words but their meaning is different and they’re only to be used in certain contexts.
Yeah cloves and bay leaves are pretty common in old recipes. For example check out
https://blogs.transparent.com/dutch/recipe-the-oldest-dish-in-the-netherlands/
That recipe should come out like this https://miljuschka.nl/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Frietje-zuurvlees-Daphne-Dekkers.jpg
Providing links to solidify the existence of two of them…
Cloves can do a thing if used right. Bay leaves, on the other hand, you cannot convince me add anything to anything.
Bay leaves contain several different fatty acids which, when cooked, are transferred into your food. Fatty acids have a large effect on the flavour and nutrition of food. Next time to cook plain rice, add a few bay leaves to the pot and you will notice the change in flavour.
Also not many soups I don’t add bay leaves to.
je ne sais quoi is what one of the “chefs” said it adds.
Do you know what that means? Do you? It directly translates as ’ I don’t know what ’ Bay leaves are bullshit
TBF to the Dutch, the regular food they serve you at a restaurant nowadays beats the USA by a mile.
That’s a low bar.
Theres a lot of great dutch food! I will defend pannenkoek, stampot, oliebollen, Gouda, spekkoek, krokets, poffertjes, stroopwafel… hell, I love pickled herring.
Dutch food is very underrated!
Bruhhhhh whenever I finally start losing this weight I’ve been packing on, I look forward to a stroopwafel warmed over my black coffee every Wednesday morning.
Holy fuck people don’t know what they’re missing.
Compared with English food it’s certainly first class. British gourmets only survive, because in GB are a lot of Chinese, Japonese, Greek, etc. Restaurants
Also you know the mitchelin star British restaurants.
You forgot the frikandel speciaal.
I was unaware! I will try it earliest opportunity.
Patatje oorlog, patatje joppie, spekkedikken and frikandelsaus. There’s a lot of things!
Pickled herring is Danish, spekoek is Indonesian and Gouda is bland.
Hagelslag though, that is something I definitely miss.
Maybe the herring is Scandinavian, but we’re not going to credit the swedes with this one, they lost that right when they started with the lingonberries.
Gouda is anything but bland
It’s possible that people think of Gouda as that stuff which comes in the standardized, plastic-sealed block of rubbery cheese that most American grocery stores carry. That is bland. One might mistake it for the Monterey Jack next to it, were the labels switched.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll still happily eat it, but yeah, real Gouda has flavor.
That makes sense! I’m currently in the US and have only seen Gouda once and it tasted nothing like it, in the Netherlands there’s also many varieties of Gouda that all taste very different.
It’s very strange seeing Dutch products on the shelves here.
Some people confuse mild and delicate flavours with bland, too. Young Gouda isn’t particularly strong but it’s good and still distinct.
They just wanted control of the spices so they could sell it to everybody else.
He who controls the spice controls the universe.
DESERT POWER
A drug lord doesn’t take their own drugs
Don’t get high on your own supply
I wish someone would’ve told me this earlier. I got into it just wanting to make a little cash by selling that salt rock. Now look at me; I can’t even enjoy some chicken if doesn’t have at least 9 different herbs and spices.
This is quite the circlejerk.
My Jamaican friend once said: “How many times do I have to tell you people flour is not a spice”.
I’m British. Don’t put the Dutch in the same group as us. Our local ‘cuisine’ truly is a crime to food.
I’m Dutch, feel free to put us in the same group. They way we drown our potatoes in gravy absolutely is a crime against food.
No, it isn’t. I have dined exceptionally well in the UK. Our Christmas dinner is based on an a recipe from an English cook. We have a Scottish cafe/diner in town which serves excellent food.
OK, I’ve dined horribly, too, but it is definitely not the norm - I made the mistake of ordering half a chicken in a fish and chips shop. My recommendation: Don’t repeat my mistake.
Except it isn’t though. You have shitty fast food like the rest of the world, but we also have Michelin star restaurants too. This is just yet another excuse for people to be xenophobic to the British.
And there are loads of excuses already. No need to manufacture an extra one! I wonder how many Michelin star restaurants in the UK claim to serve traditional British food though.
But genuinely, does the rest of the world dislike fish and chips, roast dinners, fried breakfasts, and pies? I know the stereotype has been around forever but I always had trouble believing that most non British people wouldn’t really like those foods.
My understanding is a lot of them. The majority of restaurants in the Michelin guide certaintly are British cuisine. The stars, I’m not so sure. I would say there isn’t really any reason to be xenophobic or racist to anyone.
Yeah of course mate, it was a joke about how (historically) we’ve given people plenty of excuses to be.
The best restaurants in the world are in London. Of course they don’t serve English food. The Brits just knew to bring the best stuff home.
That weirdly applies to museums as well. The best museums in the world are in London. Of course, they don’t serve English stuff. The Brits just knew to bring the best stuff home.
Also, what do you call English food in other countries? Prison food.
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This is a subjective, but would be pretty universally laughed at in the culinary world especially when compared to France, Italy, Tokyo, or any American city.
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restaurants weren’t even prevalent until the early 1900s, way past the introduction of spices.
Outside of London the UK has a very low presence of Michelin rated restaurants compared to Europe, the US, and Japan. Not the best metric, but there’s no reason why Britain’s restaurants, who would stand to benefit from such rating, is being unfairly treated.
Btw I actually like British food, and have spent a lot of time in the UK. Just think your comment is funny, and the upvotes are funnier.
any American city
You just tried to slip that in there, hoping we wouldn’t notice
I get your point number one, but any American city better restaurants than London? You cannot seriously believe that. Sure, NY, Chicago, etc but common.
They probably mean any large/prominent American city comparable in size to London.
They are still wrong. London is up with the best you will find anywhere in the world. Even a lot of large US cities are a poorer substitute.
I can’t make an argument for or against that, because I’ve never been to London. I was just saying what I thought they meant 😊
It’s very, very subjective mate,
or any American city
is incredibly wrong from the culinary world’s point of view, I can assure you
I think DC and LA are about the only two cities in the top 20 worldwide if we’re talking culinary excellence
While it’s not definitive, this was the easiest list I could find: https://www.farandwide.com/s/cities-michelin-stars-397433fb73604a91
SF and NYC are also in the top 20.
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I’ll remember that when I want to eat a sack of blood or a plate of liver.
You would if it was covered in butter and high fructose corn syrup
The Dutch and British just took home the natives of their colonies as immigrants who opened restaurants. Why try to emulate when you can get the real deal?
And even better than that, they tailor their flavorful food for our palettes!
Fantastic.
100%
If I hear that an Indian restaurant locally has been busted by immigration, I immediately head round.
Also, the reason most British food is bland is because of rationing during WW2. People who grew up back then ate food which was made with limited resources and that was the food they felt nostalgic for and made for their children, who then went on to make it for their own children.
It’s a miracle the French still have good food then
France is (mostly) not an island and they weren’t besieged during WWII.
I’ve also heard that Britain rolling early with the Industrial Revolution meant that they got the big cities quicker and fed them with bland canned goods before they worked out the fresh goods logistics.
and they weren’t besieged during WWII.
Cheese eating surrender monkeys. Created a state of the art defence system but didn’t extend it across the gap where ‘the Germans will never invade through such rough terrain’ although they did before during WWI.
The British do too. Like we have to top five healthiest teeth in the world.
Americans need to stop confusing their memes foe actual knowledge and experience of the world.
how do healthy teeth relate to well seasoned food?
Stereotypes
rationing during WW2
Not just during but long after (well into the 1950s). People generally don’t understand that Britain literally bankrupted herself holding out against Germany, then got to watch as the former Axis powers rebounded faster than they did.
Less we bankrupted ourselves and more the Americans bankrupted us. America put a lot of effort in the early 20th century to undermining the influence of the BE and was far more concerned with building up west Germany as a barrier to the Soviets than they did with building back up allies like the UK and France.
Always felt that was a weak reasoning. Are there no recipe books from before the war that you can refer to and try to recreate?
People just tend to stick with what they know
BUT THERE IS SOME REALLY GOOD CURRY IN THE UK BECAUSE SOME CONQUERED PEOPLES WERE COERCED TO THE OLD IMPERIAL CORE TO TRY TO ECONOMICALLY SURVIVE SO TAKE THAT
Ulysses seethes, tikka masala stays winning
I didn’t even deny anything specific about the colonially seized food; I was reflecting some very loud seething that got brought up during older dunks on jellied eels or beans on toast.
I’m glad you got your pre-seethe in before they show up
They weren’t wrong about jellied eels being the only protein the working class could afford, hence why they stopped eating that crap as soon as they could afford anything else.
Beans on toast with ketchup on the other hand is as indefensible as percolated coffee; there’s easier ways to use those same ingredients to make something that isn’t awful.
What about Dutch pancakes? Your choice of toppings, covered in syrup. Divine.
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Sounds nice. What kind of syrup do you use for the bacon ;)
In Spain we have a recipe, not with syrup, but with dates. We wrap dates with bacon and fry them. Try it, it’s delicious. https://spanishsabores.com/bacon-wrapped-dates-recipe/
They might have had good foods when they looted. Paying for good stuff is not what they do.
They paid you with basic education
We had better education before they came.
The same education which gave you polynomial equations, the concept of zero. Without which Europe will have been where it should be in the dark ages.
Better education? You killed babies for it to rain lol
You still use imperial system, that our fault too
You are confused between Europe in dark ages and Asia.
These debauchery and barbarism was Europe. Only thing you have ever done is loot, pillage and create divisions and problems across the world.
Genocide and slavery is the only achievement of Europe, rest everything they have pillaged from others.
cum
Tell me you are American without telling me you are American
Not an American
Even more funny than 😊
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The English have tikka masala, the Dutch have satay chicken.
