• Marxism-Fennekinism
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    2 years ago

    Odin promised to eliminate all ice giants.

    Jesus promised to eliminate all sin.

    There is still sin in the world, but there are no ice giants.

    You best put your finest Viking helmet on and bow down in worship. Not the one with horns either because that’s not historically accurate and Odin will absolutely smite you for that.

  • bobor hrongar
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    32 years ago

    I mean we didn’t always know you could see oxygen and we still believed in it.

  • @Mango@lemmy.world
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    72 years ago

    God is a metaphysic like math. He doesn’t exist, but influences people lives all the same.

      • Religion and science are looking at reality from two entirely different perspectives. Neither can see the whole, so neither is “correct” in their own views 100% of the time.

        It’s like the blind men and the elephant. Neither is 100% correct, but also neither is 100% wrong. They are both useful tools that can allow us to find out what the truth is, provided that is the original purpose.

        • @RGB3x3@lemmy.world
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          62 years ago

          Religion doesn’t do anything to find any truths. It’s just people making wild claims with zero evidence to back it up.

          Science and scientists make claims, test those claims, gather data, and make measurable conclusions about the world.

          They are absolutely not the same.

          • It’s just such a fucking shitty false equivalency to relate the physical to the meta physical.

            Look at Christianity for example, the biggest factor in your choice of religion is where you were born first and who you were born to a close second.

            You see a great amount of similarity, especially inter discipline, but you can find huge differences between states, even cities and counties. People will shop for churches when they move to find a version of the same religion that fits with their preferred style and interpretation.

            That’s inside of a body like the SBC, Roman Catholicism and the SBC are even more different fundamentally. Same books, same dudes tho.

            Scientific models update with research, even if things are difficult to change, they change based on new info. Religion needs to constantly fit it’s ever dwindling influence into the same scripture, you just get to think the words mean different things now.

          • @TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id
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            12 years ago

            While I agree with your assessment vis claims and observable truths, I also think that religion has to be seen as a kind of naturally evolved and universal system of sense-making in anatomically modern homo sapiens that would not exist did it not serve some kind of selective value in our distant past as a species.

            In other words, religion, or notions of spirituality, wouldn’t be as universal as they seemingly are were it not the case that they played something like an adaptive role in human evolution.

            • No. That is a post hoc justification. The kinda logic that says since nearly every rabbit gets eaten eventually by a predator the predator must be doing the rabbit a favor. Just because religion is near universal does not mean it exists to serve us. It could easily just be a selfish meme and we are it’s food.

      • I believe history would be that evidence. Since Asura-Mazda to the present day, almost all societies have believed in a god of some form. Whether that god exists or not is functionally irrelevant. The fact that humans seem to base their societies on an external power does seem significant to me. Where you follow Asura-Mazda, YHWY, Jehova, Allah, Baha, or any other God seems to work for us, until we run into some sort of other belief system, but the basics are all the same. We need to focus on our similarities, instead of our differences. All people have the same basic goals and ideals. We’ve all been working for hundreds of thousands of years to make it so our children will all have a good life.

        • @rosymind@leminal.space
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          42 years ago

          Those that spoke out against religion were killed or punished. Those who used it were rewarded. Those who followed it, were either sent to slaugher members of different religions, sacrificed, milked for coin, or forced into submission by the scary make-believe hell.

          Religion works because it gives people something in common, soothes human fears, and sets forth rules to abide by.

          It was useful, once. We don’t need it any more

  • @MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca
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    42 years ago

    God is all around you, he created everything! So you can witness him by his works!

    – some religious, science denying person… Probably.

  • @OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca
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    612 years ago

    We can also prove its existence scientifically. We can detect by testing for it. We can chemically react it with other elements. There are lots of things we can’t see with our eyes but we know exist through scientific study.

    So far no test for god has been developed. We just have an old book that claims bats are birds to go by.

    • Trailblazing Braille Taser
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      62 years ago

      I almost buy the philosophical argument that there must be a first mover, but I can’t understand the incredible leap of faith people make to have such specific beliefs. Like how did we get to the point of “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?” and prosperity doctrine wackiness?

      • Enkrod
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        82 years ago

        Honestly, the first mover argument just looks like “turtles all the way down” to me. It explains nothing, because it doesn’t even care to explain this first mover. It’s just one more turtle.

        Hence, if the correct answer is “we don’t know”, we don’t need the leap of faith to a first mover we know nothing about, we can just say “we don’t know” and they don’t either.

        • @Witchhatswamp@lemmy.world
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          12 years ago

          Same issue with the big bang, since we don’t know what created it. I personally believe that God is the universe. The universe manifested itself…somehow…and to me that makes it as close to God as we can get. I hope that the universe is conscious, and that our consciousnesses goes back into the big thing at the end. My evidence is experiential; an excellent acid trip 😉. I do wonder what atheists experience when they trip…

          • I do wonder what atheists experience when they trip…

            I see patterns and have hallucinations when tripping. I’ve seen doritos logos cover my wall and noticed the patterns in mountains. No you are not talking to God, you are having essentially a waking dream and I don’t attribute dreams, which are your subconscious trying to interpret your daily actions, to supernatural beings. That would be stupid.

    • @Daft_ish@lemmy.world
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      322 years ago

      “I’ve begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It’s there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, and a lovely day. There’s no mystery, no one asks for money, I don’t have to dress up, and there’s no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to ‘God’ are all answered at about the same 50% rate.”

    • @Buddahriffic@lemmy.world
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      32 years ago

      I thought god was discovered to be a particle in 2012 and he wasn’t very happy with being seen, since he disappeared immediately and turned a lot of his followers into fascists.

  • tbird83ii
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    802 years ago

    Fun fact: this is how they separate oxygen, nitrogen, and argon from air. You cool it to a liquid, and the. Slowly heat it back up. Nitrogen boils off first around 77K, then Argon around 83K, then Oxygen at 90K.

    I find this so cool, even though it’s like “oh yeah. Just like distilling alcohol or petroleum”… But… Like super cold…

    • Deconceptualist
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      252 years ago

      Right?! How cool is it that we can literally chill the atmospheric soup that we all stroll around in, then separate that into its components.