I like them because it means I don’t have to talk to people. Sadly they did this only to save on salaries so I guess that I’m ok with them going away since it will create jobs for people.
Prefer self checkout because no talking and I’m typically faster than most cashiers. Nothing sucks more than waiting 3 mins while a new cashier tries to figure out if you handed then a turnip or a rutabaga lmao.
1st world problems. Totally agree though, there are too many cashiers that need to go back to preschool
Or maybe they need to actually be trained and educated on things pertaining to their job by a corporation too busy sucking the very life from their bodies.
Half can’t do basic math, that isn’t corporates problem
Why do they need basic math? Everything is bar coded or find the item in the system.
Who’s fault is it for hiring a moron?
You get what you pay for. Minimum wage – minimum thought.
You really think the average person knows how to ring up produce better than the cashier? I’d much rather interact with a real person anyway, it makes it feel like you’re supporting an actual business and employees instead of a computer with food behind it.
Which cashier? I’ve seen some that are worse than me (i’ve only cashiered fast food which is different enough that I wouldn’t expect to be good), and some that are great.
As long as shrink stays below what they save by removing cashiers they will stay. It may be location specific removals at high shrink stores.
The only reason for Costco to do this would be theft prevention or to make sure members are the only ones using their cards.
A lesson for AI enthusiasts.
No they aren’t they are gonna lean in even harder what a dumbass story. One time fixed cost will always win over paying people in perpetuity
Jokes on them, I shoplift at the staffed checkout too.
Walmarts’s self checkout is the only one in my area that doesn’t frustrate the hell out of me. I’ve stopped going to certain other stores simply because I don’t like their self checkout systems.
unexpected item in the bagging area. place items in the bagging area. unexpected item in the bagging area.
Item removed from bagging area.
I’m thankful pretty much every store here deactivated that sensor shortly after installing self checkouts.
Even worse, here in Canada at the Sobeys owned stores, you can opt to use your own reusable bag (plastic grocery bags are now outlawed) but if you do they prompt an employee to come check your bags. They never actually check, but if there isn’t an attendant around you just have to wait there until they notice and end the prompt. I waited for 10 minutes the other day because the employee went off for a break or something.
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Literally the opposite is happening. Look at any busy store: self checkout can handle like 10 people, compared to registers which are significantly less at any given time. Registers account for much less business, and corporations are going to try and get by the minimal amount of employees as possible to function. Handling physical cash also adds more complexity with tills having to be deposited, audited, and withdrawn daily.
Don’t get it. Sam’s and BJs both have scanning apps on the phone. Most amazing tech ever! Costco… HURRY UP! Also, Sam’s and Bjs don’t check my card because I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO BUY ANYTHING WITHOUT THE CARD ANYWAYS… Costco!!
It is a dumb bit of ceremony, but the door checker just glances at the card. You could roll in with a paper print out and be fine until the registers.
Still, enough people do stupidly wait until they are in the door threshold and then block the path while digging around, so they should get rid of it.
At our Sam’s we just walk right by that door checker. If you show a card they nod, but if you don’t get out your card they ignore you
It’s to make sure they didn’t forget the card at home/in the car/etc, and not realize it until checkout
Pretty sure the check for the door is just there to make people feel more important.
Makes it feel exclusive?
BJ’s doesn’t check anyone going in. You’re free to browse without a membership you just can’t buy anything.
It’s so that you can’t share your card with friends. You specifically have to live at the same place and have proof when you add them to the account
If you have the privilege of being able to walk to and from your grocery store then self checkout is great. I get why people hate it in suburbia tho
What? Why? I can’t walk anywhere in my city and I certainly love the self checkout.
The idea is checking out with more than a basket of goods is really inconvenient. And I agree, it’s much slower and there’s no space for it.
Yeah I’ve done self-checkout a lot when picking up five or six items, and it works fine. Having done it for a f’real grocery run at a Wal-Mart once…if it had one of those conveyor belts where you could put all your items, then let you check out, bag and put in your cart, it would work. But you end up with a cart half full of unscanned things and half full of bags.
Giant Eagle stores in Pittsburgh have self checkouts connected to a full size conveyor belt. Kinda like a normal cashier, but the belt is after the scanner kiosk, not before it. That way you could scan a ton of stuff and have it move out of the way on it’s own.
The rest of that company did dumb stuff, but the scanners were smart!
Now I don’t know about American cashiers but over here they’re faster, waiting in line is generally faster, unless you’re literally only buying three items. It’s just better optimised overall: Waiting time is often cut to practically zero because you’re arranging items on the belt while you’re technically waiting, they’re faster ringing up, and while they’re doing that you can already pack so the second they’re done you can pay and fuck off.
My neighbourhood supermarket has three self-checkouts, most of the time noone is using them because the one open register is always faster. In peak times they open a second one you might, in principle, find a window between that and the line of the first one becoming longer where self-checkout is faster, but I won’t even consider it with a full backpack of shopping. Peak times directly before a weekend, or worse holidays are where the self-checkouts actually see use, as in you might even see someone waiting for one to be free.
Also you can’t self-checkout best-before rebate stickers so there’s that.
I just get that stuff for pickup.
O green peppers are 99 cents each but red and yellow are 1.29? That’s so weird all these peppers I’m buying are green.
Fuck you, I’m the cashier now.
Oh for sure, if I gotta guess I’m picking the one that’s best for me every time.
Self checkout wants my opinion I’ll give it :)
Bill Burr: “what’re you gonna do? cut my hours?”
Yeah I’m not paid to use your stupid machine properly. I generally avoid self-checkout and never use it if I have a manually entered item. When there are no full service registers or only one, you know I’m going to be extra sloppy with the self-checkout.
I generally avoid self-checkout and never use it if I have a manually entered item.
At a certain point you’re just denying yourself the savings. Go get that informal employee discount!
I’m against what Walmart especially has done by remodelling stores and removing their checkout lanes and replacing them all with self checkout.
but I have nothing against a store having a couple self checkout lanes.
Cause they are nice to have if you only bought one or two things, and don’t want to wait behind a full cart… or if you are buying something you are personally embarrassed about and don’t want to have a cashier see.
Self Checkout should be a very minor option valuable to a select few.
not the primary means of checking out for everyone.
Also
Oh, something didnt scan and you walked out without paying for it?
Enjoy your broken spine as cops appear in full swat outfit and tackle you to the ground and beat you with clubs because you are shocked and arent immediately calm and compliant.
Clearly a joke, but they will start a record for you till they can get you for a felony…
Start a felony charge for a loaf of bread?
give me a break. These companies cut corners every where they go. You think there stocking up on hard drives and algorithms to cut up and record people?
Look up the target method. They can automatically connect your face/payment ID to items you haven’t scanned. They get you after you’ve racked up enough cumulative value that you haven’t paid for to count for a felony.
So no, they aren’t sticking you with a felony charge for a loaf of bread. They’re sticking you with a felony charge for enough loafs of bread to value a serious theft charge.
It’s not going to effect you if you only ever stole one loaf of bread. Waiting until you commit enough theft is the cutting corners part you’re talking about.
Facial profiles and items stolen require directories, centralized databases, hard drives, programming, knowing the items. Personal to sift through the data.
Companies think that’s cheaper than self check out?
You must not be an engineer.
It doesn’t have to do with what I think. That is what they do. Why don’t you put any amount of effort into verifying what I said instead of insulting me like you think I just made it up?
You don’t think that loss prevention would be doing that stuff regardless of whether they had employed cashiers at registers or not? Loss prevention has been around since long before self checkout lanes, doing the same things they’re doing now. They already pay those guys. Self checkout is still cheaper if they don’t also have to pay a dozen cashiers.
Also, you seem to be imagining a whole fbi crime scene setup in every store for a job that’s basically handled per location by 2 guys and a computer.
A “database” doesn’t have to be (and usually isn’t) centralized across stores. “Hard drives” can be a single multi-terabyte hdd in the age we’re in now. “Programming” is just out of the box software they teach their prevention guys to use. The facial recognition and knowing items part comes built into the self checkout machine.
You must not be an engineer either, because an engineer would understand that the cheaper option isn’t necessarily lower tech.
Again, take 10 minutes and learn how to utilize a search engine. It’s not something they want people to know, but it’s also not exactly a secret. Target pioneered the kind of loss prevention techniques big box stores use today.
This is what I found. It’s just an attic from somewhere, but it has lots of references.
You sweet summer child…
My husband had a nasty cold and the self scan he was using we later found out should have had an out of order sign on it. After missing the fact that it wasn’t dinging for every item because he couldn’t hear well, they pulled him and had him arrested. His total was off by $100 and he should’ve realized it, admittedly, but he just wanted to get home. We were able to get them to drop the charges because the self check out was malfunctioning but he’s still banned from Walmart.
and getting banned from walmart is more devastating than most people realize, cause in a lot of places walmart has run out the competition, so if you cant go to your walmart due to a mistake on THEIR part, that means you might have to drive an extra hour to some not-walmart place.
Its complete and utter bullshit.
I hope that store burns down with the manager that made that decision trapped inside.
At my Walmart the employees don’t stop people from stealing food. They told me as much.
I believe it’s policy at Walmart for the regular staff to not prevent theft at all. Loss prevention handles that. They’ll build a case without pursuing at first, and then being down the hammer.
That’s how it works for most stores in Canada.
“theft over” (aka theft over $5,000.00) can get you 10 years in federal prison, “theft under” is up to two years in provincial jail. That’s a huuuge difference.
Also, more footage, more angles, easier to convict.
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-334.html
I keep hearing this and I wonder about how they do this. I mean how to they keep records of every shoplifter? Do the employees recognize the people every time they come in? How many shoplifters can they keep track of? Are they like “ah yeah it’s shoplifter 687, put this video in his file”? Do they bother with people stealing an occasional item like basic clothing or food? Are they watching a single shoplifter over years, like what if they only steal once in a while and it’s low value? I’m curious about this, I’ve never actually heard from anyone who was watched over a period of time and then prosecuted.
I was busted for shoplifting as a teenager and I sort of know how this works. The general employees (cashiers, service staff, etc.) don’t give a fuck if you steal and will actually get in trouble if they try and apprehend you. Almost all large companies operate this way for liability reasons. They aren’t insured enough to cover all of their staff in the event that one of them gets injured or killed trying to stop someone from stealing something. Much less costly to simply budget in a line item expense for incidental theft that’s bound to happen.
Instead of the employees focusing on shoplifters, they have a loss prevention agent in the back watching cameras. Those cameras all over the place in all the big box retail stores, and they don’t even look like those super obvious dome cameras anymore. Most people who steal and get away with it will eventually come back to the same store to do it again. They take note of your face/features and watch for you to return (also, the large chain stores will share this information with other nearby stores). As soon as you step through the door the next time you come in, cameras are recording your every move. That’s exactly what happened with me and my delinquent friends. We ripped off the same store about 2-3 times and the last time was when the guy actually made his move and apprehended us. He waited for us to actually take something without paying for it and physically stopped us at the door as we were stepping through the threshold. At that point, they confiscate whatever you stole, show you the security footage of you taking the product and walking out with it, call the cops, press charges for petty theft if under $1000, and call your parent/guardian if you are a minor.
In my case, I got extremely lucky because the cops simply never showed up after hours of waiting for them, and eventually, they couldn’t legally detain us any longer, so they released us to our parents without charges. My Mom was pissed and set me straight when we got home, and I stopped hanging around the dumbass kids who coerced me into doing it in the first place. We were also banned for life from the store, but I’ve actually been back to that same store several times as an actual customer and they didn’t recognize me anymore. Or they just didn’t give a shit.
If you just steal once, especially if it’s a spur of the moment thing, a very low value item, or a complete accident, it’s really unlikely that loss prevention will care. If they start noticing lots of inventory going missing, they will watch those sections much closer for suspicious activity. There’s always the chance that you could just be randomly singled out by the cameras.
I’ve heard of some places not bothering to stop food thieves because a person who steals food from a grocery store probably desperately needs it, but I imagine they all have a line that they aren’t willing to let people cross.
I feel like in the future this is going to get more intense. They will have facial+ear+gait recognition combined with AI so they can detect and combine literally every instance of shoplifting, intentional or not (to say nothing of footage that only coincidentally has the appearance of shoplifting but they retain it as “proof” anyway), over decades of visits to any of their locations, and once you’ve accumulated over $1000 combined in unpaid merchandise, hit you with a felony charge.
Or they just ban you after the first incident straight up, and electronically recognize you and kick you out for the rest of your life afterward.
And you would have no affordable recourse because they have all the footage and lawyer money to oppose fighting it.
They have your face and whatever else information you give them when you check out. It’s all covered in cameras. Doesn’t take much. I’m sure they don’t get everything and they have false positives. But if you become such a problem for them yeah.
I don’t have any real experience with this but I think it’s actually hard to catch the accidental thefts and such who they are losing so much money and starting to rethink these things.
Target will wait for you to steal serval “inflated value mind you full profit plus…” thousand dollars of stuff before pursuing you legally. It’s easier when it’s large sums.
Honestly, can you blame them?
Electronics, luxury items, other “nice to haves” maybe. But who wants to be the reason someone goes hungry?
Not to mention, they are getting paid dogshit wages.
For this reason, I think it’s pretty shitty they put condoms in alarm boxes. If there’s something I’m okay with stealing from a Wal-Mart, it’s food and condoms.
Don’t think I could convict anyone stealing safety glasses either.
And they actually can get reprimanded or fired for doing so. Fuck it.
Can confirm. Used to work for a big retailer and one day caught someone stealing (not food) and confronted them. I was a pretty solid employee who had been there for years but my manager had to fight hard to stop me from being fired; it was a really close call.
Yeah it’s been 20+ years since I worked retail but we weren’t allowed to confront anyone, especially inside the store. We had to wait until they left the store for a manager to approach them and we had to be 100% sure they stole something in the first place.
The worst I ever saw happen to someone is they gave it back when confronted outside the store, it was a $5 can of automotive spray paint.
I was never quite sure if this was all legal reasons or because of the blowback against the brand if someone was wrong and it made headlines.
When I was a youth, we used to go to Safeway and get donuts or “Mojo’s” (wedge fries) at the bakery, then munch them while walking through the store so that they were gone by the time we got to the till to buy our cans of pop.
One of those unforgettable moments from those years was when we were finally called out by a security guy, something very casual like “you boys are gonna pay for those donuts up front, right?” and Chris who was “that guy” in our crew, bounced his donut off the mall cop’s head and ran like his life depended on it
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I avoid self-checkout as often as possible. In my mind, that’s taking a job away from a physical person, it’s a cost-savings for the retailer, but customers never see any benefit from it. I choose the person checkout everytime as my little bit of solidarity with my fellow humans.
I’m the opposite. I use self-checkout as often as possible, because it means I have to interact with as few people as possible. I loathe people being forced to ask me how I’m doing, because we both know they don’t care. Or when they ask “Did you find everything?”- does it fucking matter? Either I did, which is why I’m checking out, or I didn’t, in which case it doesn’t fucking matter because thanks to their shitty implementation of JIT their stock has been converted from on-prem inventory to rolling warehouse deliveries every single day. Just let me get what I want and get out.
I have never seen cashiers ask such things. At most they’d ask whether I have the discount card or if I want one of the featured discounted items. Usually I don’t miss anything when wearing headphones.
Same. Perhaps once upon of time, but I haven’t met a cashier with that energy in years.
Which is great because I also don’t like the interaction. My experience lately has been nodding and card flashing - maybe a “Credit” / “Debit”.
Either way the company is getting your money.
But using a real person cost the company more, in theory
So, you just want the poor to continue being poor…
Have you considered switching to pickup when you can? pick what you want from the comfort of your home, drive to the store at the designated time, an employee has picked all your goods and it is brought out to you. Same price for you, more labor for the company to pay for.
I really don’t like doing pickup for most trips because I care about the quality and ripeness of my produce and also purposefully select the furthest away expiry dates for certain things I go through slowly, it becomes a lot to ask someone else to do if there are 20 comment lines for these little details, but if I don’t it just results in wasted food and money :/
If you’re just ordering non perishable items that’s fine. Otherwise you might get nearly-expired items, over-ripe produce, etc. It’s all up to the whim of the employee, and they may be having a bad day…
So far I haven’t noticed that happening. They seem to be pretty good about grabbing decent stuff. That’s at my Walmart and Target at least
Glad to hear it. I know a guy who got a load of nearly expired groceries and vowed to never do it again.
I make sure that I am on very good terms with them. I help them get the groceries into the car and I joke around with them. It helps that I am sincere and they know that.
I also avoid it but due to not being good at it. I would hate to be accused of shop lifting due to a mistake. It would be a hassle to straighten out.
I see massive benefits from being able to get out of the store quickly when I am done instead of getting stuck behind some old person with a ton of coupons to argue about.
It helps that they sorted out the oversensitive weight checking and still staff a couple of lanes when it is busy so people have a choice.
I mean absolutely FUCK people who are old and are so annoyingly poor they need to try to save 60¢ on food: get the fuck out of the way, am I right?
Take a chill pill.
Being poor and using coupons is fine. Taking a long time arguing about coupons is not the same thing.
you can be annoyed about something someone is doing without making some personal judgement about that someone
if my train is late because the train driver had a heart attack im aware that its not the drivers fault, but im still not going to be thrilled about my luck
Self checkout is often not the quick option for me. Accidental double scans, coupons, random tests all requiring assistance who is already occupied make waiting behind an old person a more consistent experience.
I live in the UK now, human cashiers are so slow here that even the worst self checkout is leagues better.
