Reddit tried to sticky this post for moderators around 12p CST today, and they’ve since tried to bury it. Thought it might be good to back up the link here.
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Hey ChatGPT, write me a tone deaf, mealy mouthed, corporate doublespeak screed that completely ignores everything that’s happened for the last month. Be sure and add lots of bullshit about how we will now “listen to mods” and have useless meetings every month.
write me a tone deaf, mealy mouthed, corporate doublespeak screed that completely ignores everything that’s happened for the last month. Be sure and add lots of bullshit about how we will now “listen to mods” and have useless meetings every month.
LMAO I literally fed your prompt into ChatGPT adding only last month WITH REDDIT and the result is…well I’ll let you decide for yourself:
Dear Valued Members of our Community,
We hope this message finds you well. As a corporation committed to fostering a vibrant and inclusive online community, we must acknowledge that the last month has been filled with important developments. We understand that you may have concerns and feedback about recent events, and we would like to assure you that we are dedicated to addressing them in a meaningful manner.
Our commitment to transparency and openness remains unwavering, and we are fully aware of the importance of listening to the voices of our valued moderators. We recognize their invaluable contributions to our platform and are eager to collaborate with them more closely moving forward. To that end, we are excited to announce that we will be implementing monthly meetings where we can engage in productive conversations and work towards mutually beneficial solutions.
These meetings will serve as a unique opportunity to foster a culture of continuous improvement. We believe that by providing a forum for discussion, we can collectively identify challenges and collaboratively explore ways to enhance our community experience. Your feedback is integral to our growth, and these sessions will enable us to listen to your concerns and ideas actively.
At our core, we remain committed to upholding the principles that have made us a beloved community. The spirit of openness, diversity, and respect are cornerstones of our platform, and we intend to reinforce them further through the establishment of task forces, committees, and subcommittees dedicated to addressing specific issues.
We understand that recent events may have raised questions about our corporate values and practices. We are keenly aware that the phrase “tone deaf” has been used in recent conversations, and we genuinely want to acknowledge your concerns. As we move forward, we are committed to learning and growing as a platform, acknowledging where we have fallen short, and working diligently to improve our processes.
Your trust is paramount to us, and we appreciate your continued support as we strive to create a positive and enriching experience for all members of our community. We firmly believe that together, we can build a stronger, more empathetic, and more inclusive environment.
Thank you for your understanding and patience during this time. We value your feedback and look forward to the journey ahead as we make our community even better, together.
Best regards,
[Corporate Representative’s Name]
[Corporate Title]
[Company Name]
Yep. This is totally good enough to outsource PR speak to AI. ChatGPT has this down pat.
I specifically use it for this purpose lol.
c/bestof
You’re awesome, I knew that post came from an AI! 😂
You know what the best part is? ChatGPT doesn’t know about the reddit thing, because it’s training data is 2021 and earlier. This is as bland as the actual message and it was written without knowledge of the problem at all.
I love this so much. :)
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Can someone post u/JamesWhatsHisFace replies. I didn’t want to log back to Reddit.
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Shame someone can’t make a bot for tha— ohhhhhh…
Pasting here so you don’t have to go to Reddit:
Hey mods, u/Go_JasonWaterfalls here, Reddit’s VP of Community. So, we’ve all had a… time on Reddit lately. And I’m here to recognize it, acknowledge that our relationship has been tested, and begin the “now what?” conversation.
Moderators are a vital part of Reddit. You are leaders and stewards of your communities. You are also not a monolith; mods have a diverse set of needs to support the purpose of each community you foster. Our role is facilitation; to enable all of you with a platform you can rely on, and with the tools and resources you need to cultivate thriving communities. Tens of thousands of mods engage daily on Reddit and, in order to enable all of you, we need consistent, inclusive, and direct connection with you. Here are some ways to connect with us.
Weekly Mod Feedback Sessions
We will (virtually) host small groups of mods each week to discuss the needs of users, mods, admins, and communities (including how subreddits are, and should be, governed). Sessions will be weekly on Tuesdays and Thursdays July-October, and continue into the future as valuable. We will summarize and share notes inside the company as well as in r/modnews. Please fill out this form if you are interested.
Reddit Mod Council and Partner Communities
These are ongoing programs between admins and mods to provide feedback, guidance, transparency, and insight into Reddit’s future. We typically hold weekly calls and share notes with all members of those private communities. Learn more about the Partner Community program here, or apply (or nominate a co-mod) to join Reddit Mod Council here.
Accessibility Feedback Group
This group of users, mods, and admins will meet monthly to review and provide feedback on Reddit’s accessibility accommodations and tools. Our next meeting will be in August; please submit this interest form to participate.
Mod Events
In addition to our online Mod Summits, we’re resuming Mod Roadshows and picking up where we ended in 2022, meeting mods in Austin, Delhi, London, Paris, São Paulo, and Toronto. We’re planning the following locations for 2023 and want to know where else you think we should go. Please fill this out to be notified when dates are confirmed and/or to suggest a stop on our tour:
August: Seattle September: Chicago October: Bangalore, Birmingham (UK), Chennai, Delhi, Hamburg, London, Mumbai, Pune, São Paulo, Washington DC November: Lyon, Paris, San Francisco December: DenverLastly, I look forward to hosting you all at our (online) Global Mod Summit, which will be on Dec 2, 2023.
I don’t have an ending to this post, really. Hopefully this post is a beginning.
This is probably going to sound mean, and I promise you I don’t mean it that way, but a reddit mod event sounds like a very sad place to be.
Make a screenshot. Don’t give them any traffic.
Any chance for a screenshot or an archive.org link so I don’t have to give the site my eyeballs? :-)
Thank you!
Oh wow Teddit still works?
Here’s a screenshot so you don’t give the site any traffic
A mod event in Mumbai? lmao
You get my Lemmy Gold 🏆
Edit: extra bonus for dark mode screenshot!
May I have some Lemmy gold? 👉👈
You can have lemmy lemon🍋
🍋👊🥤 then you punch the lemon until you get lemonade.
Ahhh, lemons: they truly are the grapes of the fist…
🥈you get second place.
Something about this participation-silver hurts far more than it should.
“Second place is the first one to lose.” — Abby Lee Miller - Dance Moms
thanks. my /etc/hosts file still has: 0.0.0.0 www.reddit (break link) .com
(I find this helps me break habits)
It just brings up RiF for me, which doesn’t work. I’ve only 99% left though, so I can’t pihole it. I copy over some content and use the pages that turn up on Google search results.
This comment needs to be pinned lol.
Thanks!
Thanks for the screenshot
And here’s a screenshot of a hilarious comment that I found in the modcoord discord
Hey thanks
They absolutely need to be called for killing a platform.
fuck reddit’s board. fuck u/spez and his lackeys.
Appreciate you!
That’s the most wishy-washy weasel-word corporate PR professional bullshit post I’ve ever seen
“Here, let’s give you more ways to give us feedback that we can then promptly ignore”
“We’re gonna have meaningful weekly meetings with all the hundreds or thousands of you, and we’re gonna take the opportunity to really listen. Now, this isn’t just some platitude to quiet you until we take the company public, but you know, we might suddenly get too busy for these once we’re diving into our piles of cash.”
“We’re gonna compile your input and file it away somewhere safe. Look! I already bought a basket to hold all of them and lined it with a plastic bag! And when my comment can gets reeeeeeaaaallllllly full, I’ll file your comments into a larger bin until the city files those comments with the other valuables!”
“We wanna show you how much we care. We care sooooooooo much that we’re gonna visit you on our “Fuck you, I Wanna be Rich” vacation! We’re gonna see the country and occasionally talk to people in a patronizing tone. For all the shit-holes we don’t feel like visiting, we’re gonna throw you a pizza party! It’s gonna be super revolutionary cuz it’ll be a virtual pizza party! Pay for your own food and watch us eat pizza while we explain to you that you’re not really upset with us, you’re just scared of change and passionate about things that don’t make us rich. Remember to dress up nice, we’d hate for you poors to make us look bad.”
Nailed it. Virtual pizza party really drives it home.
And we won’t really tell you what we’re up to as a company either. You’ll find out with everyone else when we pull the rug from under you
Good riddance
Yes they problem is we haven’t given them enough feedback. Surely if we have them now feedback they would understand the problem. Shutting down the entire website for multiple days was not clear.
Also, I am running out of idea, can you give me some?
Here’s a screenshot so you don’t give the site any traffic
The hero we need
Much love for the post
honestly this reads like someone who wants to make things right, but is being held back
I can’t tell what that person’s intent is because the post is filled with “I’m sorry you’re upset” platitudes that accept no responsibility or even an understanding of why the mods are so upset in the first place; just more unpaid work they’re expected to do to keep it from happening again.
Yeah. Even if you fully trust this person, this person isn’t Reddit. I don’t think they can do what needs to be done.
Pardon my literal autism, but can you explain the problematic implication for me, friend? I don’t understand it ^^
Pretend your the mod of a moderately sized subreddit. You have third party tools you rely on to help keep your community functioning. Reddit takes away your tools, then tells you “you can spend more of your free time in a pointless meeting with us”
Oh, okay, yeah. That make sense. Gotta love that spineless, landlord-during-COVID-style victim-blaming speak. : /
It also is the statement “we’re here to listen to you” in response to a protest with a lot of clear demands. There was no concession or acknowledgement of the possibility of any. There was no apologies for the absolute assholery of the CEO. There wasn’t even an acknowledgement that they’re the ones in the wrong.
It’s like if you’ve been sleeping on the couch until your spouse stops cheating on you and they say “I know you’re mad, but let’s talk this out after work tomorrow” like no, you have to say sorry and that you’ll stop, then we need to talk about how to rebuild the shattered trust.
More of your free time to do our jobs for us while we make some extra cash. What a weird way to do business.
On one hand Im happy to see that dumpster fire ignite even more. Then on the other hand Im happy to see all those mods end up not being listened to and frustrated by those who have the power.
You reap what you sow, suckers.
I picture the employees playing rock, paper, scissors to determine who was going to have to make that post; I can’t imagine any of them didn’t know how this was going to play out.
…And the dude that won (lost?) didn’t even know how to link his own username. It looks like he did it via an actual hyperlink! Now that is fantastic example out of touch management.
Unlucky, didn’t see this until after I clicked. The new default for posts about reddit here on Lemmy should be that any links are just screenshots or archived versions or something
Ta much.
Here’s a condensed version:
“It’s not that mistakes were made, you just got angry. Spontaneously. Weird how that happened, when we love you just, like, so much.
Anyways, let’s move on. Fill out a form to become a member of an unpaid focus group.”
Don’t forget, “We’re gonna pay some of our staff to go to cool cities to meet several of you! What an incredible opportunity for them to get frequent flier miles and for you to show up (again, unpaid) at a fake meeting in your free time. This will surely have some kind of impact on how we run things, in that nothing will change whatsoever.”
Not a fan of the mobile site making me pinch and zoom the whole page just to get a better look at an embedded image.
Of course I’m not a fan of embedded images in comments all together and hope they make that like a toggleable thing.
It will get there, eventually.
No mention of the tools they fucked up that they are replacing? Just a bunch of meetings for people who aren’t employees? Lmao get bent.
What a trainwreck of a thread
OP:
This community filters comments from anyone who isn’t a mod of an active community with more than 50 subscribers. […]
Yep, you’re right. It should be disclosed on the sidebar. We won’t do it right now for obvious reasons, but will have this updated before the next post.
So we’re witnessing a thread of angry mods being angry, OP is cherry picking comments and still can’t manage to listen to them.
Also many of the people complaining that their posts are being filtered are mods of communities larger than 50 users, one person pointed out that they mod two subs of more than 500,000 people.
So they lied while acting pretentious, again. To the surprise of no one.
Lol this saga is just too funny to me now that I’ve jumped ship. The admins just keep digging
I really thought I’d have a harder time leaving, it hasn’t been bad at all. Maybe a day of habit and then poof, I’m free.
There’s a couple of communities like noncredibledefense and ask historians that I still miss but I recognize that communities won’t spring up here overnight
Be the change you want to see and start them!
AskHistorians is s particularly special place. It’s not as simple as just starting it.
I miss that one too. Have the mods there discussed moving to Lemmy?
I recall reading they were moving to discord if I’m not mistaken
There is a noncredibledefense here that I should post in more, but I only have an undergraduate degree in history so I wouldn’t feel right posing as a historian
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Dig up, reddit, Dig up!
They are “inviting” mods to do even more free work in furtherance of Reddits profitability
They’re expecting the mods to keep the mods from protesting things done against mods in the future.
Let me get this straight- they want mods to have live business meetings with them? As if they’re employees?
At this point, I fully expect reddit to ask the mods to pay a subscription to maintain their mod status in the future.
Once the floodgate of bad decisions has started, it’s not really possible to stop it.
“Reddit as a hosting service. We provide you the infrastructure and discoverability necessary to build and maintain a growing community. Yours for only $50/month!”
Don’t give them ideas because that’s actually kind of too brilliant for them — instead of selling ads only, also directly sell the user base to interested parties.
Now imagine companies openly buying moderator positions to take over their own subreddit.
It can always get worse.
The word “openly” is the only thing that separates your comment from currently-happening-reality. Plenty of subs and their mods are bought and paid for.
Also this whole post from the VP is such a load of shit. “We have a seat for you at the table… if you want it.” Boy only a VP in a big corporation could keep a mouth so loaded with horseshit.
This comment thread reads like a corporate brainstorming session.
"hmmm. But is there any way we can exploit brown people in some brown country while doing this?’
all that is missing.
Weekly meetings.
And they will also tour the world! That will surely help with their profitability.
Lol, this is straight up corporate schpeel for turning reddit into Amway.
schpeel
Spiel
I anticipate in the future that that mods will be required to fill out weekly TPS reports. However, if you only have one subreddit you’re moderating, please use up the old cover sheets. If you’re moderating two or more subreddits, please use the new cover sheet. Did you get the memo on this? I’ll send you a copy of the memo.
If they don’t use those cover sheets properly they are going to get tackled by Terry Tate
Yyeeeaaah, I’m gonna need to to stay late and do some more moderating.
They can’t even do bullshit PR correctly. You do the listening tour before the steady stream of unpopular decisions that go against the feedback you just collected.
Honestly at this point any mod left on reddit who thinks things can improve is fucking delusional. I don’t even feel bad for them. Most mods opened their subs back up after 48 hours or when they were threatened with replacement from the admins. The entire “protest” was a fucking joke. I think we should just let anyone left on Reddit circle jerk each other and concentrate on building out Lemmy. Fuck Reddit.
There are multiple reasons why the “Mod on the internet” memes exist. We are seeing one.
So I don’t think the protest was fruitless. Sure the 48 hours blackout or whatever it was (I don’t remember) may have been dumb, but that’s how I wound up here.
Angry, I started a community for carnivorous plants, a weird niche thing I loved reddit for. Posted a side bar talking about how it was a placeholder, forgot about it, and lo and behold, people started posting.
I don’t think any of that would have happened without the blackout. The power mods might have had delusions that the protest would even things out and then things would return to normal, but I think the protests opened up peoples view to the fact it doesn’t need to be the way it is, and it wasn’t always that way.
I’m also a member of an old school kind of forum around a specific kind of car that always beat the pants of the comparable subreddit.
That’s a really well written point of view. Thank you for that. Yea I think Lemmy and the fediverse have a lot of potential, however it’s definitely still growing. So far I like it. It feels simple and quiet. There are no ads. The layout is pretty decent. Some of the mobile apps like Jerboa on Android is also surprisingly very good.
Thanks! and agree. I’d be happy with more content but but all my reddit subs were niche things. I went out of my way to get rid of the “dopamine drip” memems and what not. Funnily enough I’ve left those on here for now because it’s not endless they way it was at reddit.
I used RIF on mobile and RES at my desk (plus a bunch of ad blockers). So I didn’t have to deal with the noise but absolutely it is nice when the layout is about the end user and not pushing for attention.
The only thing u/spez cares about it $$$. It’s not about the communities as a whole anymore. I understand server space isn’t exactly cheap, never has been, but Reddit, unlike Lemmy, is all about profit. There is no way that the ridiculous amount he wants for the api use age is sustainable for anybody that is trying to make Reddit useable for the masses. They just realized they weren’t getting any ad revenue from the apps that he couldn’t convince to show them. When I left reddit every other post was an ad
Reddit’s not just interested in server costs now, though, they need to extract the maximum profit out of all their content. (We may have created the content, but they own it now).
Their main beef with the 3rd party apps seems to be that they were profitable while Reddit itself wasn’t. But those apps did one thing, and did it well. Reddit is super bloated and out of touch.
I agree I can’t wait to see the complete implosion of reddit. I have noticed even in my searches for stuff online redshit is not coming up as often
Reddit is now news for Facebook, stuff that doesn’t matter.
Personally I would like to see Facebook die too. Ther is nothing Ther but dram and personal grievances now. Killed fb on my systems 2 years ago and don’t miss it one bit
Not a great situation overall. Sounds like they’re scrambling to give some semblance of support for mods, seems a little late now guys
The best thing reddit could come up with is… More unpaid work for mods to do!
I know I love making time on a busy work day to volunteer for a large company that doesn’t respect my efforts. Maybe they’ll send me a sticker or something.
I think Reddit got caught off guard by the mod issue, but were in too deep in trying to kill third party apps to do anything about it.
That we’re in the third week of July and Reddit hasn’t gotten back to normal must be hard for them to understand.
The CEO decided to flex and disregard massive blowback at an unpopular change. He marginalized his dissenters in interviews, saying shit that implied the dissenters were childish and their impotent tantrum will run out of steam.
For the CEO of the biggest internet social platform, he has no fucking idea how volatile the internet temperament is. You don’t just poke the bear and walk away unscathed.
He fails to realize how fickle internet communities can be. It should be obvious based on what happened to Digg and Slashdot. If you mess with your users, they’ll just leave. They should have been trying to keep them happy, not doing everything they can to alienate them. Reddit could have reached their profitability goals without making everyone mad. Instead they just keep digging their grave deeper. This lazy attempt to mitigate dissent means nothing, the damage is beyond repair.
Feels like they need them for unpaid work, but also don’t want to give them too much power. A pretty interested conundrum. Glad I’m not spending effort maintaining a subreddit given how thankless the job is 🤯
Pathetic.
