I posted this yesterday:
And apparently this warrants a instant permaban.
They don’t even tell you what rule it breaks. Which one do you think it might break?
In any case, every time I visit Reddit and look at my local subs (Montréal, Québec or Canada) I look at the comments and they’re absolutely vile. The community has become so fucking toxic it’s unbearable. And I also realized how my mental health actually improved since I left that community.
They can keep the permaban. I don’t give a shit anymore. I’m so over that god forsaken place.
Peace out.
Quick update:
I contancted the mods and apparently I was permabanned for spamming and they immediately muted me so I wouldn’t be able to message the mods any further. I can understand that it can be considered spamming, but I feel they’re being extremely harsh over this. They really have no chill.
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Ok dude, chill. I get it
You could have explained this without being so rude.
If your feelings are easily hurt you’re going to hate it here as well.
So far it’s been a good experience.
The mods there are super sketchy. I wouldn’t be surprised if any of them are on someone’s payroll.
Maybe not payroll, but…
Yup, I’ve seen that stuff. It’d make me feel better if they were getting paid. It’s a nicer thought to me than them doing this crap because they’re truly that way.
In any case, every time I visit Reddit and look at my local subs (Montréal, Québec or Canada) I look at the comments and they’re absolutely vile. The community has become so fucking toxic it’s unbearable. And I also realized how my mental health actually improved since I left that community.
I used to dread seeing that I had messages on Reddit. My first thought would be “Oh, what did I do now?”. On Lemmy, I’m much more interested in seeing any responses to my comments.
I reported you because I disagree with you
😂
I make a new username every time I see a message in my inbox.
Boo! 👻
3 or 4 times people reported me as a risk to myself on reddit, and this suicide prevention hotline bot would then send messages with long lists of number to call.
Turning this tool into a weapon against me, simply because I am pro-vaccine was just pathetic and gross.
Yeah I got those as well a few times. A kind of sarcastic way to tell you to off yourself when people disagree with you.
Scammers would do this too when you called them out on it.
Lemmy feels like the internet used to. Not about ads and algorithms, but just people interested in things asking questions and engaging naturally.
I get the same feeling. I hope it stays that way.
As long as you keep your opinions that mean anything to yourself.
I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but I don’t think Lemmy has any hope of survival as a truly global platform.
I’ve been through this a few times: Usenet, Digg, Reddit. They started off small and stayed mostly civil even though there is a wide range of opinion. Then they start growing rapidly and people see an opportunity to “get their message out”, whether that’s spam, personal aggrandizement, a political message, or whatever: exploitation vs participation. After a while it becomes just too much for some people, so they find somewhere else to congregate.
As they leave, that platform becomes ever more useless, leading to more migration. The platform eventually becomes useless even to the exploiters, so they figure out where everyone went and follow them.
And the cycle continues. I think that the cycle can only accelerate as “exploiters” become more proactive in following “participants” to new homes. That implies an eventual breakdown of the whole concept of global discussion communities. Are we seeing that already on Lemmy? I don’t know, but I’m registered on 4 different instances, each with their own primary focus, and there has already been a bit of federation/defederation drama on every one them.
I think the only way to break the cycle is to figure out a way to eliminate exploitation. That may well be impossible, at least on any platform that has global reach, centralized or not. As far as I can tell, those who would exploit a system have always found ways to do so.
Yeah, I totally get that. I think that there is this insatiable desire for the upstart site to topple the previous site. On Digg we made fun of Usenet and Fark, on Reddit we made fun of Digg, on Lemmy people are always saying “fuck Spez”.
I think that people are worried that if Lemmy doesn’t keep growing (at Reddit’s expense), then it will collapse under its own weight. I hope the federated model works out. I could easily host a Lemmy or KBin instance on my homelab.
But yeah, the depressing truth is that as soon as someone invents a profit motive, it’s only a matter of time before it’s ruined.
And it doesn’t even have to be the people running the platform or instances having a profit motive. Usenet, for example, started falling apart long before anyone tried to monetize actual hosting. Spammers alone were enough to destroy it.
Anytime you create easy enough access to a large enough group, people will try to exploit that access for their own gain. Obviously, platform and instance operators are best positioned to do so, but exploitive account holders can do plenty of damage on their own.
I’ve been through this a few times: Usenet, Digg, Reddit. They started off small and stayed mostly civil even though there is a wide range of opinion. Then they start growing rapidly and people see an opportunity to “get their message out”, whether that’s spam, personal aggrandizement, a political message, or whatever: exploitation vs participation. After a while it becomes just too much for some people, so they find somewhere else to congregate.
But is this a bad thing? Even if Lemmy ‘doesn’t survive’ (which I think is a fair way off, personally) something else will take its place. Something always does; ICQ dies, people move to AOL. Digg dies, people go to reddit, Myspace to Facebook and so on. Look at the absolute graveyards of websites where people used to congregate and play games and talk: Battle.net, Mplayer, WON.net, Digg, Usenet, AOL messenger, ICQ, Myspace, there are dozens of these things that, at the time, we felt like would always be there.
Enjoy it while it’s here. Make it the best place you can.
I agree. It’s just part of the cycle.
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Right??? I get excited when I get replies here.
I get excited when people post to my c/Montreal community! It’s kinda dead unfortunately, tempted to staple posters around the city.
Yeah, the more focused the community, the less active it is. Canada is pretty active. But provincial and municipal communities aren’t as active.
Same, I’m from Montréal and the Reddit community for Montreal/Quebec is horrible. Sorry but they are full of leftist woke students and downvote or ban anyone who dare say that e.g. healthcare system is bad or education is bad or any truth about QC. I’ve been on Reddit for 13 or 14 years and about never posted or read those subs.
You can tell a lot from a person who unironically uses woke as a term.
It was ironic, but it looks like it works to trigger people here
What is woke?
“Woke” has become a derisive term used by conservatives to describe anyone/anything socially conscious. It’s often part of a rant (or general line of thinking) involving “what’s wrong with this country/the younger generation”. For example, if you’re against things like racism, sexism, or homophobia, I’d call you a decent human being, but a conservative would likely call you “woke”.
This is the kind of “insult” that says more about the person using it than it does about you.
Uh… No one is saying the healthcare or education systems are good. Everyone is pretty much on the same track about how much they suck.
And so far, I’ve found Lemmy to be further more to the left than on Reddit.
And so far, I’ve found Lemmy to be further more to the left than on Reddit.
Reddit’s CEO is a literal neo-nazi. You would have to actively try to be more far right than reddit.
I know he ain’t the most ethical person, but a literal neo Nazi? That’s a bit extreme no?
I might not be aware of some of the things he’s done or said though… I haven’t been following everything he does.
You only have to do the bare minimum of research to see that guy’s ties to the extreme right.
Are the “wokes” in the room right now?
Show me where woke touched you in the feelings on the doll.
No shit. You were supposed to write it in French. /S
Canadian bacon scene
I’ve seen a few posts today from people complaining about being banned for promoting Lemmy.
Imo, the way to promote Lemmy isn’t by spamming “JOIN LEMMY”, but rather by meaningfully engaging in the community, and looking for ways to naturally bring up the positive points of this platform.
Like, if I saw a bunch of straight up ads for Lemmy (like this), I wouldn’t be here now. I joined because people were having actual, real conversations and recommending Lemmy as an alternative to Reddit. That’s what we need to “advertise”: Good, engaging conversations.
That’s a good point. Maybe I could’ve simply stated a discussion about my experience in the fediverse instead.
Yeah, I am over Reddit’s shit as much as anyone but it’s pretty obvious to me why people are getting banned for spamming fediverse stuff on random communities.
It’s also not doing us any favors to look like assholes that won’t stop yelling about it like we’re shilling our favorite crypto. None of the posts I’ve seen of people talking about getting banned looks like a post that would’ve convinced me to check this place out. They’re just irrelevant and self indulgent. They’re basically begging to be banned.
Anything canada related has been hijacked by “activists” and they arbitrarily ban anything their delicate sensibilities can’t handle, which is basically anything. I got banned for referencing historical data in relation to the current direction of geopolitics and the likelihood of another world war soon and our (canada’s) heavy involvement in the arms industry to tyrants around the world. Specifically I was referencing the “War is a Racket” book by Major General Smedley Butler and apparently the facts that the military industrial complex runs the show got them severely butt hurt. Especially since Canada isn’t a country as much as a puppet for corporate interests these days.
I was (temp) banned because I called Conservatives as ‘Cons’ (but not for Libs, NDP, etc). They are very delicate, fragile people.
/r/Canada is pretty much a fascist circle jerk with Albertans/Conservatives ever since they hijacked it for the last few years. It’s pretty sad.
My guess would be that it really had nothing to do with Canada. It had to do with you complaining about their subreddit and you telling people to leave it. I would have removed it as well. Dunno if I would have banned you. I would have had to seen it a number of times before I banned you I think.
I guess you’re right. I wasn’t very tactful.
As a mod, I don’t care if they say something is better somewhere else as long as it is about the same theme. I mean if I run Old and Antique Cars and someone says hey lets meet up at this other place as well, that is great. It is more Old and Antique Car discussion. I don’t give a shit about the platform, Reddit certainly is not paying, and if anything is actively trying to fuck over moderation. If they said Old and Antique cars suck we should all move to New and Fast Cars, I might remove it.
So I am confused why you would remove it? Does it really matter?
Well duh if you’re wanting to ditch your subreddit too of course you’d big it up, lock it down, and send everybody to lemmy. You answered your own question.
I didn’t say that at all. I said I wanted to support the topic. If there is another place to talk about the same thing, no problem.
R/quebec is just angry péquistes and r/montreal is angryphones and foreign students. R/Canada is toxic af . Yeah, reddit sucks big time now.
Same problem as Canada itself. Too many Canadians.
You need more moose or elk. Whatever that big brown 4-legged animal is.
Or Canada geese. Take those bastard’s back. Evil shits dominating our canals. Feathered Canadian cunts.
those bastard’s back
You mean “those bastards’ backs” but I think they’d only be more angry if they couldn’t stand up. #noChildLeftBehind
r/Canada is literally run with conservative propaganda efforts in mind. It’s not surprised that any attempt to pull people out of the echo chamber is met with an instant ban.
Disappointing. I checked out the subreddit for crocs once and same thing. Weird how that turns out
It was like a mini The_Donald for awhile. Mods there want to keep control of a potential propaganda channel.
There’s a narrative going around that the subreddit is under attack by white supremacists, but honestly that’s just what Canada is like. If you know how to see their style of polite racism you’d know that they’re 300x more vile than your average American, they just hide it a lot better.
… I mean, they do have nazi moderators, but that’s like 99% of reddit.
Under attack? More like invited and encouraged. That was the problem.
They’re really clinging to P.P. and good promises to help with the housing market. But we all know that won’t happen.
I’m leaving that sub now as a protest.
You guyz are pretty chill, let’s keep it that way 😘✌️
You broke the site wide rules by advertising a competing service, not the subreddit’s rules. It’s surprising the ban didn’t extend site wide.
Seriously? So if you talk about joining Facebook or Twitter or any other social network you get permabanned site wide?
You could be. I’m not saying it’s justified, but it is a rule on the site as a whole that users are not permitted to advertise other platforms. It’s their way of fucking their users just a little more, because they can try and justify anything they want because it’s in the TOS you agree to when signing up.
Isn’t r/canada a conservative shithole?
For at least 5 years now, yes.
Pretty much.
This could frankly be considered spam. Would be appropriate to ask the mods before promoting.
Ah good point.
