“We recognize that, in the next four years, our decision may cause us to have an even more difficult time. But we believe that this will give us a chance to recalibrate, and the Democrats will have to consider whether they want our votes or not.”
That’s gotta be one of the strangest reasonings I’ve heard in a while.
These people are stupid. Short-sighted generation that can’t see past next month. They’re not going to be changing anything, just making sure worse for no reason and giving conservatives more time to get the anti-minority establishment further embedded in everyday culture.
the next four years I wish I believed that was all that was at stake
“That Muslim Ban was such a good idea and concentration camps at the border, we want to see what the orange one will do next!”
While ignoring WHO built those concentration camps
Maybe… Just maybe this is an attempt to get Biden to finally listen. Because it sure seems like he hasn’t been. All the people in this thread sure are quick to write off how it feels to be Muslim/Arab in America right now.
Everyone saying “this is a vote for democracy” apparently doesn’t see the irony in demanding everyone vote for a single candidate no matter what or democracy fails. Like isn’t the whole point of democracy having the ability to pressure politicians to make concessions to your cause?
So many BlueAnon comments too. Yeah for sure this is just a massive Russian psyop, definitely not people trying to stop their ethnic group from being genocided 🙄
Bring on the downvotes.
If Trump gets into office, Democracy does fail.
If this were an election where the opposition was someone like Romney or McCain, sure. I would agree with you. But this is where the opposition wants to start a dynasty where here and his descendants are dictators for life.
And if you think genocide in Gaza is bad, just wait until Trump gets done with queer people and Latinos.
Or just wait until what kind of genocide happens when Trump is backing Bibi to the hilt.
Do people forget he moved the embassy to Jerusalem? Do they really think he wants a free Palestine?
Trump could back literal death camps in the West Bank and they’ll say, “Well, at least I didn’t vote for the lesser evil!”
Since you guys are so brain-broken by the status quo of American politics, let me break down the goal of these people.
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Threaten to not vote for party because they are doing bad thing
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Party sees significant numbers of people threatening not to vote for them.
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Party changes it’s policies.
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People vote for party.
It’s like you’re completely incapable not thinking in black-and-white, and don’t understand it’s actually possible to leverage politicians. No one wants Trump, and if he wins no one is to blame but the Democrats.
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Isn’t Biden pretty much the only reason Netanyahu agreed to a cease fire? Hasn’t he been warning Israel from the beginning not to follow the same path and make the same mistakes as the US after 9/11? It’s also regularly reported his administration is pressuring Israeli leaders to stop what they’re doing to civilians. Given that the US genuinely cannot directly control what the Netanyahu administration does, I guess I’m asking what you want him to do differently?
We don’t actually know how much Biden has really been doing. By all indications, Qatar and Egypt were more influential in getting the ceasefire to happen.
And the US just sent a bunch of new high powered weaponry over to Israel for destroying buildings better: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-s-sends-israel-2-000-pound-bunker-buster-bombs-for-gaza-war-82898638
And apparently one of the four main people in the US government with influence on proceedings is a pro-genocide maniac who is happy for things to proceed as they are so long as it makes money: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-national-security-adviser-brett-mcgurk-israel-palestine_n_656936c0e4b07b937ff4287f?4q
Given that the US genuinely cannot directly control what the Netanyahu administration does, I guess I’m asking what you want him to do differently?
Make US aid contingent on not committing genocide would be a great help. Reagan stopped the bombing of West Beirut with a literal phone call. The US has that much influence on Israel.
Biden does not control that aid. Congress does.
Doesn’t mean Biden is doing anything about it. Hell he didn’t even condemn the warcrimes or call for a ceasefire.
You said:
Make US aid contingent on not committing genocide would be a great help.
That is not something Biden can do. It is not under his control.
No. Joe Biden greenlit the genocide and barely even pays lop service to peace
Maybe… Just maybe this is an attempt to get Biden to finally listen.
Yeah, but Democrats don’t listen.
Maybe… Just maybe, don’t threaten to throw the whole country, including yourself, under the bus just because you can’t completely change a country’s position they’d had for over 50 years in 2 months.
I’m likely voting for Joe Biden. But I’m not an Arab or Muslim. I’m a Jewish guy who can see how fucked it is to have to vote for a guy that doesn’t believe how many Palestinians were killed or is actively throwing gobs of cash to the country that is indiscriminately bombing friends, family, people who are the same religion, who are the same race. I’m not in a position to judge. Keyboard warriors such as yourself are.
I’m a trans, jewish, atheist, social democrat. I’m on the chopping block as much as you or anyone else if Trump wins in 2024. I’m going to be warrioring my keyboard up all of your asses if it means more people vote for Biden. Under a fascist dictatorship, I could very well be too dead to hear your judgments so keep them coming.
Israel is committing genocide in the Gaza strip against Palestinians. That doesn’t mean I’m going to go easy on people who inadvertently enable ethnic cleansing and genocide here in the US. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Our imperfect democracy is the best tool we have to enact positive change. Once it’s gone, typing about it won’t bring it back. So I’m going to type about it for as long as I can.
We have until November 5th, 2024 to convince people to vote against fascism. That means pointing out abstaining from voting or voting third party helps Trump and the fascists. A fascist takeover doesn’t benefit the Palestinians in the short term and it doesn’t benefit them in the long term. Biden is a hard pill to swallow, and we are going to have to remember that when we try to sell people on him, but silence in the face of fascism is death. edit: typo
Yeah that worked real well for the people that didn’t vote for Hillary because sanders that shafted by the DNC. DNC never learned their lesson and Trump winning again I doubt they will learn.
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I could be wrong but I don’t see that happening until the GOP shatters. I see Dems traditionally as a coalition of basically not GOP voters. Just using single voter issues for this example, Let’s say we had a viable pro choice and pro gun third party, how many people from the current 2 parties would that pull from. I would wager mostly from the dem side which means larger chance of GOP winning. Which is a risk DEMs won’t take and I feel the DNC know this.
I worked for that campaign during that election cycle. You would think that the DNC and coordinated campaigns would learn that not listening to voters hurts you. Shaming them didn’t work last time either. They didn’t fund outreach. They didn’t listen to organizers on the ground. They didn’t care.
You would think that the DNC and coordinated campaigns would learn that not listening to voters hurts you.
They would rather lose than listen to voters.
It’s notable that the Republicans have not attempted to court the pro Palestinian voters in reaction to the anger at Biden. Because they are if anything more pro Israel / anti Palestine than the Democrats.
I agree that the Dems are the “only slightly better” party in a few aspects, and they need to do better. But slightly better is still better than the alternative and we need to vote like it.
I use a taxi analogy often when it comes to issues like this. You’re on 8th Street and want to get to 1st Street. There are two taxis in front of you a Blue Taxi and a Red Taxi. The Blue Taxi will take you to 4th Street. The Red Taxi will take you to 21st Street before beating you up and leaving you for dead in the gutter.
Which taxi do you take?
Note: “Neither” isn’t an option because if you don’t choose, then some random people choose for you and shove you in the taxi.
Yes, neither taxi takes you to your destination, but the Blue taxi is a lot easier to recover from and reach your destination than the Red taxi.
Would it be better if you had a taxi that took you to your exact destination? Definitely, but this is where realism meets idealism. In the real world, you rarely have perfect options. You often need to decide which option is closest to perfect for you. In this case, the Democrats/Blue taxi are flawed but are worlds better than the Republicans/Red taxi.
This exceedingly simple logic seems beyond a good portion of the US population.
Yet in a state where you WILL be shoved in a blue or red taxi no matter what (say, CA for blue), you could vote for a green taxi stand to be put there so at least next time there are more options - or at least the blue taxi will deliver you to 3rd street.
Blue taxi runs out of gas halfway there because the red taxi siphoned it out for their own use.
Slightly better?
Here’s a GOP calling for death to all Palestinians.
They’re all paying for it enthusiastically. I don’t care if some posture differently personally.
Most religious people are not good on this sort of reasoning.
For all those castigating them for not supporting Biden: imagine the issue is abortion, and the Democrats are upholding a bipartisan anti-abortion consensus, the only difference being they feel bad about it sometimes. Would you still be blasting the women’s rights activists trying to raise a stink, and tell them to shut up because the alternative is worse?
For all those castigating them for not supporting Biden: imagine the issue is abortion, and the Democrats are upholding a bipartisan anti-abortion consensus, the only difference being they feel bad about it sometimes.
Henry Cuellar is a pretty good example of why I don’t have to tax my imagination too severely on that one.
Yes. That’s not a hard question to answer.
One of two candidates is winning the presidential election. The Republican or the Democrat. That’s it. Those are the two to pick from.
If one candidate vowed to stop abortion and the other candidate vowed to end elections, violently suppress dissent and install themselves as a dictator, I sure as hell would vote for the anti-abortion candidate. I would hate it, but I would still do it.
If one candidate vowed to stop abortion and the other candidate vowed to end elections, violently suppress dissent and install themselves as a dictator,
And also stop abortion, and execute anyone who ever had an abortion.
Like, it’s not even a case of “This is justified because they’re better on the issue and I’m a single issue voter.” It’s an issue of “I’m voting for the WORSE candidate on the issue who is also WORSE in every conceivable way and will likely remove my ability to express myself in the civic process because the single issue I’m voting on isn’t supported strongly enough.”
When there are only two viable options, the only rational move is to vote for the one that does the least damage. Otherwise, you might as well not vote. That’s just how it works in a FPTP system. And good luck changing that in America any time soon.
Why do you think USA has abysmal voter turn out… … … … …
Yup, they’re about as dumb as the Sanders or bust people.
They want change then vote/volunteer in the damn primary, volunteer to get rid of the first past the post bullshit.
Doing this, this is just 2016 levels of fucking stupid.
Dumbass tokens spending astroturfed money.
Republicans can’t believe their luck. Like, did they even have to pay for this one?
On the other hand, Biden is probably adding to the already overwhelming percentage of Jews who vote for Democrats. Overall, probably not going to make much of a difference even if some Muslims choose to heed these calls.
It might. Michigan has a lot of Muslims and it’s a battleground state.
In Michigan, 25 percent of the population identity as evangelical Christians and 30 percent of those typically vote for Democrats. They probably wouldn’t have been been very happy with an anti-Israel stance. Neither would the Jewish community.
No matter what any president would have done in this situation, they would have won some and lost some.
The actual idiots are the people calling them idiots. If the democratic party wants their votes then stop funding a genocide in Palestine. Neither party represents them or even tried to court them, so why should they vote for someone who only promises not to hurt them even more?
Americans are brainwashed by the two party system. It’s always been "vote for the lesser evil’. It will continue to be that way until you do something about it.
Yeah sorry these people are idiots and should be ignored. We are in a really dangerous position right now where we could still fall to fascism and need every blue vote we can.
Do they honestly think that a Republican or Trump (who banned people from Muslim countries) aren’t gonna ban them too?
Russian money hard at work.
