This makes me 😭
UPDATE: Thanks @[email protected] for this update: The issue has now been commented on and was closed by the maintainer, where they explained why those blocks would be nonsense. But it appears the OP wants to still talk with maintainer privately about it.
I’m confused. Who even uses FakeFilter? And whatever websites do use it, most people probably won’t use anyway lol
That’s…a good portion of the free email providers on the planet. Even if companies are using this list as a filter for signups, it’s only going to be for a limited time.
Companies want new accounts. They don’t mind very much if those accounts are fake - big numbers get investor attention. It only takes a handful of support cases with “I tried to register but it says my email address isn’t allowed” before the C-suite makes it clear to IT that this filter is no longer in sync with the corporate strategy.
I can actually well imagine them responding to use a Gmail or short list of major domains. Normies are normal and the companies want an email they can link to all the other data on the web.
What all of you fail to realize is that it’s literally the point of the project. To filter those “emails” that value privacy. Just like everyone has the right to use those privacy prioritized emails, website operators have a right to know. That is a 1:1 copy of the description of the project.
Ironically I’m paying for proton because the free services suck.
From 2018, I have been using fake emails for signup on websites that I am sure I wouldn’t be using again.
In rare occasion that I do keep using the website, I change it to one of my ‘useful’ mails. This has kept so much spam at bay for me.
Do keep in mind, it seems like protonmail is considered a whitelisted domain in the eyes of lead that’s running that project. I say this because if you go under the issues page of it and then select the whitelist issue which is the issue that he uses to keep track of every domain that will not be blacklisted, protonmail appears there. That being said the others don’t appear.
I love how dense OP was that he didn’t even acknowledge the white-list and was acting like he was the authority (or the sheriff) on this topic, with nothing to back him up whatsoever.
That’s why I have setup a custom domain and catch all so I can create aliases on the fly. Was huge fan of simplelogin until I did a though experiment about ditching proton mail. I will not pay for email aliases.
Could you please share the steps you took for this? I have an inkling , but not sure how to proceed. I m thinking of learning self hosting too, but can’t right now due to reasons.
I bought the domain, set required domain records as per protonmail docs, waited for verification to complete and enabled catch-all thingy.
This is the way. I finally got around to setting this up a few months back.
I am not sure I understood your comment. I am using protonmail (ultimate) and they do have free simplelogin integration (I think proton bought SL). Definitely catchall is my way to go for reputable sites, but SL is great for trash “register once” sites so that I don’t even disclose my domain!
Using a simplemail means you are bound to a provider, in this case ProtonMail.If you setup a custom domain you can ditch ProtonMail/Simplelogin duo domains and switch to a different provider whenever you want.
I did the exact same thing.
When I saw Fastmail with aliasing features (beyond just using a catch-all with my domain) included in their $30/yr plan I couldn’t switch fast enough.
I guess Proton thinks they can rest on their name (which, admittedly, is a good one). But why pay for simplelogin + Proton when others do exactly what I need?
Duck duck go offers this service for free, they will forward to your regular email. Provided the generated addresses are random.
Based fakefilter suggestions
If a website won’t allow me to register with my protonmail , I will just not used that website.
Same. That said, sometimes it’s a config error. I sent a very annoyed email to a website that didn’t work on Firefox, only for them to tell me that it was a bug and that they fixed it.
And since people won’t use the website, the website won’t use the list. So the list would be useless.
The maintainer seems to have followed the same interpretation, weighing legitimate use against spam use. This is the official response to the issue as of 8h ago:Dear Contributors,
We value your suggestions for expanding our list of disposable email providers. Your input is crucial in enhancing our tool’s capabilities.
Decision on Gmail and ProtonMail Inclusion
After thorough evaluation, we have resolved not to include Gmail and ProtonMail in our list. Our rationale is based on the following technical and operational considerations:
1. **Reputation and Reliability** * **Gmail and ProtonMail**: Established, reputable providers with a high trust level for personal and professional communication. * **Distinction**: Unlike typical disposable email services, they offer long-term, reliable email solutions. 2. **Active Abuse and Spam Prevention Mechanisms** * **Effective Systems**: Both providers have robust mechanisms to detect and mitigate abuse and spam. * **Proactive Monitoring**: Ensures a secure email environment, reducing the prevalence of malicious activities. 3. **Commercial Intent of Typical Disposable Email Providers** * **Focus**: Targeting providers driven by ad revenue, facilitating spam/abuse. * **Gmail and ProtonMail's Model**: User-centric, not primarily ad-driven. 4. **Domain Limitations** * **Effectiveness**: Limited domain offerings by Gmail and ProtonMail make them less susceptible to misuse. * **Strategy**: Focusing on providers with extensive, rotating domain lists for more impactful filtering. 5. **Individual User Accountability** * **Accountability Measures**: Both services have mechanisms to penalize users violating terms, decreasing misuse risks.Summary and Next Steps
Including Gmail and ProtonMail does not align with our criteria for identifying disposable email services. Our aim is to target services significantly contributing to online spam and abuse, without impacting legitimate email services. We have reviewed your list and agree on adding some providers, like internxt.com (Reference). We will also incorporate the obvious choices from the tail of your list. We apologize for the delay in addressing this issue but intend to promptly resolve it by focusing on the most impactful additions.
Yep.
I’ve already run into a few. I mentally thank them for preventing me from wasting my time and money with them.
Is this going to be the response every time this shit happens until we’re all just sitting on Lemmy twiddling our thumbs? The arrogance feels like it’s downplaying the seriousness of the problem, and it’s annoying to see it recited so much.
In a lot of cases, you may not have a choice of using the site or not. In cases where you do have a choice, eventually most if not all the alternatives can do the same shit if it becomes normalized.
API is letting these types of filter lists become shared easily, too. Sites may not even make a conscious decision to filter out proton, it may just happen because their filters are pulling from lists like this.
The problem is the trend. And try as you may, you can not fully escape that.
Use a custom domain on Protonmail (which includes Simplelogin) and you won’t have any issues. It’s a grand total of $5 per year for the domain.
Use a temporary email every time you use the website. Clog their mailing lists full of garbage. Make their metrics lie to them
Well sometimes those websites ask you to register because you are buying something so they will loose me as a customer. Also even if I complain most companies dont care about privacy so I prefer to use my wallet as a way for this companies to listen my voice.
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Yep what a wild thing, to try and filter email domains so they can try and find “fake” providers
GitHub blocked me from registering with a Proton domain:
Our abuse detecting systems flagged your account because of the email address you used to register the account. Before we can remove the flag we need you to add and verify a personal, non-disposable, non-aliased email address.
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Simple as, if they don’t even support e-mail it’s surely a rather shite site.
The closed garden corpo-approved electronic message service the github issue is talking about simply won’t do.
Yeap 83 businesses are my clients. If they do this ,guess they will never receive my email. Poor IT support of all the businesses. RIP
It would be a poor IT department if they just blindly implemented a block list that had been handed to them and allowed that block list to be updated regularly with no oversight as to what was changing.
Not to say there aren’t companies that do that, because there are plenty…
Well there wouldn’t be a company for very long if they’re blocking potential customers
the discussion is happening here: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73
Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.
If you want my personal take:
It’s very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form, which I see as an attack on freedom, journalism and activism.
I’m not a fan of Protonmail of any sort and in fact I consider that their privacy is lacking… but I really hope they can talk some sense into this guy. This block list seems to be used by a lot of webs that will start blocking virtually every private email provider.
(Edit: I assumed the person that posted the email list was a maintainer, but they don’t seem to have a “contributor” or “owner” badge, so idk. Maybe they are just very angry at privacy and anonymity on the internet)
It’s very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form,
why would anyone ever be like this?
This is not the list maintainer. Just a rando who opened a request
Maybe a fed, corpo or authoritarian
I was thinking the same. Would be mighty convenient for them if people had to switch to sellout mail providers because the alternatives are all blocked.
Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.
They’re not the maintainer.
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Try Tuta Mail
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They’re talking out their bum. It’s as private as any email service can be.
Nope. Refer the links below.
https://www.theregister.com/2021/09/07/protonmail_hands_user_ip_address_police/
Do you have articles showing Tutanota refusing to do the same?
I am not here to entertain Whataboutery. I am not a shill for Tuta Mail and will abandon it as well if it does the same thing. I don’t rely on e-mail for communications. I only suggested Tuta Mail in the other thread because it is the least worst of them all.
If your argument is “don’t use email”, you’re right, but doing a bad job articulating it.
If you look at what data they handed over you’ll realize this is a positive thing. You have verifiable proof that the contents of your mails is private, and you’re calling it a negative thing that they have your IP address??
this guy isn’t even hiding behind seven proxies
Yep. Find me a service provider that risks being arrested to deny lawful demands in Switzerland. I’ll wait.
important to emphasize here that email is inherently not very private. Proton is one of the best email providers for privacy, but for things you really need to be private (eg organizing protests in less-than-friendly countries) you shouldn’t use email at all.
Which is precisely why I said “as any email service can be”.
yes I agree with you lol just trying to be extra clear for people who might be confused
Does proton do anything other than encrypting the email file? TLS should be enough to encrypt the transfer.
They do lots. They open images and other attachments on their servers so they can’t be used to track you and filter tracking links when possible.
I would love to know this too ☺️
Is addy.io any good? I’ve poked around a bit but not investigated deeply
As a paying customer, it’s good if you want a burner email address that forwards to your actual email address. Not sure if they’re offering full blown mailing servers now, though. Pretty much does what I need it to do, personally.
That’s basically all I want as a mail edge
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What do you consider to be a good privacy focused email solution that allows anonymity?
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I clicked for you. From the website:
Cock.li is your go-to solution for professional E-mail and XMPP addresses. Since 2013 cock.li has provided stable E-mail services to an ever-increasing number of users. Cock.li allows registration and usage using Tor and other privacy services (proxies, VPNs) and thanks to continued funding by its users is certain to stay free forever.
(SFW)
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Thanks for adding an update to your post OP. Good to know cool heads prevailed!
Truly a sad day for poppy heads
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Bold of you to assume they’ve been to highschool yet
You mean Michael Brevard?
I don’t understand, what’s happening? Blocked where?
Some random email filter project.
Oh well shit if I care, I loathe email anyway. Please block me 😂
Nothing is happening, some kid was making requests that were entirely ignored until lemmy jumped in. I cried when they said that they preferred discord to email for official communication.
Is the creator even a kid? I find it hard to believe a kid would give that much of a shit about email spam lists. But, then again, nearly half his repositories are forks or involve Roblox.
The creator is a chad
I thought that bit was hysterical.
“Tell me you’ve never been employed before without telling me.”
“I prefer discord for business communication.”
Yeah, not being able to keep track of email was a weak fucking excuse.
Yeah, they should have pushed back and said “Nope, email is the only method we will conduct professional communications over.”
The whole exchange between the ProtonMail person and the repo maintainer is wild. The maintainer is clearly grinding and axe and pretending we should thank them for it https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73#issuecomment-1785182508
That dude’s not even a maintener, just some rando who apparently doesn’t like protonmail.
Imagine having that little happening in your life
Lil bro asks for discord instead of using email ahaha
Email is for boomers duh
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It’s absolutely wild to read. This bloke absolutely has issues, what a weirdo
That’s not the maintainer, just the user who opened the issue. Here’s a (somewhat ironic) interaction between the same user and the maintainer: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/69
Apparently Discord is preferable to email for long form professional communication lmao
Also this list blocks it too https://github.com/wesbos/burner-email-providers/issues/422
Please help!
Funny, considering I’ve moved over to a paid proton account as my primary email, and my former primary email/Gmail account, with its ability to instantly become infinitely many disposable email addresses, is now used as exactly that. This same procedure occured many years ago, when I made my yahoo email into the disposable junk mail home, and my shiny new Gmail became my primary. I wonder how many years it be until proton becomes my disposable, and some as-of-yet to be created service becomes my new primary email. Or maybe email will finally be dead by then, and we’ll use something else entirely.
I will say, even after all of these years, and using the living shit out of my Gmail account in many, many places, I still only get two or three spam emails at most during the entire year.
No, you very likely get way more than that, they’re just filtered out.
This. I get tons, but almost none of them actually hit my inbox.
Wouldn’t OP see them in the Spam folder? If they say they get 2 spam messages they probably mean that.
Yep, mail to the spam folder is what I mean.
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Same, gmail now means garbage mail and only acts as a filter for my Protonmail now.
