Kelsey Grammer sounded curt this morning when he brusquely told a BBC Today program interviewer that he still supports Donald Trump but, according to his interviewer, this curtness doesn’t tell the full story.
Grammer’s interviewer Justin Webb said the Frasier star was “perfectly happy” to go on talking about his support for the former POTUS, “the Paramount+ PR team, less so.”
Grammer has previously expressed support for Trump – a relatively rare position for a TV and movie star to take – and he also used his BBC interview to back Roseanne Barr, another self-confessed Trump supporter.
if you support Trump, you’re a traitor
And a gullible fucking moron. But mainly a traitor.
Personally I voted Osama bin Laden in the primaries. At least the fucker never lied to me about his agenda.
Jokingly votes for an actual terrorist, wasting their vote – calls people traitors. What a Lemmy moment.
You do realize I didn’t actually vote for a dead terrorist, right?
He seems to have calmed down lately as well.
Even better, he’s a moderate centrist! What’s not to like, or dislike!
His sister was murdered in the most conservative town in Colorado. Maybe conservativism doesn’t work Mr. Grammer?
I have no clue of the backstory. Are those two things related at all?
To them conservatism can never fail. It can only be failed, because you didn’t conservative hard enough. There is no introspection, no critical thinking. Only doubling down. Because otherwise all the suffering would have been for naught.
I know you’re joking, but at the same time I know you’re really not.
Republicans do not believe that they do not make mistakes, they merely believe that admitting a mistake would in itself be a mistake
But they never take it to the next logical step I’ve noticed. They do dumb things all the time, but then what they don’t seem to do is preemptively work out if the thing that they’re going to do is dumb or not, and then if it is dumb not do it. It’s like they don’t have a strategist.
I think it’s a problem with the right wing groups in general. They’re so completely blinded by self-belief that reality doesn’t get a look in.
Look at Trump right now, he cannot possibly think things are going well for him, but there he goes carrying on.
I’m just baffled that his defense team seems to have the strategy of directly antagonizing law enforcement. In no world does,
" go ahead, take me to jail, you’re too much of a pussy, I bet you won’t do it."
Ever actually play out, it’s either amazing 7D chess, or the more realistic option. He legitimately thinks he is invincible and nothing he ever does will have any consequences
Loved the OG Frasier show. The new one is cringe as hell. Without Niles the show lost like 90% of its charm.
The show might’ve been named Frasier but Niles and Martin (dad) were absolutely crucial to the dynamic and success the show found. Without them it’s missing 2/3rd of the team and is just another sequel churned out by Execs with no idea how to make a good show and only interested in making another dollar.
His son in the show is fucking awful too. The character is written and acted totally unlikeable. And Niles’ son is cringey like Sheldon from BBT and I just cannot get into it. Doubt it will last.
Oh look, how fucking original, another waitress upcoming failing actress in a sitcom. Sure, this is not something every other sitcom already do. The only character I enjoyed on the new series is the other professor, that have an honest humble snobbism that works well as a Niles replacement instead if Niles son.
Yeah very much agree the professor is the bright spot in the ensemble.
If the Frasier reboot fails, will he have been cancelled?
If I never watch it, did it ever air?
No, but he’ll be complaining like that was the only cause.
That will definitely be blamed. Easily.
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So the courtroom speach from The Simpsons wasn’t acting.
No truth-handler me :(
“Kelsey! Stop telling people the truth about yourself! Paramount+ is hemorrhaging money!”
When wasn’t it?
Paramount Plus is so desperate to keep me as a customer that they keep giving me free months of service, without advertising. I just threaten to end my subscription and they’re all like, “Augh! Please come back! Look, you can have two more months on us… just don’t go!”
There’s nothing quite as pathetic as a massive corporation in tears begging you for your money.
Have some fucking decency, you tried to rip me off every way from here to Saturn for decades, now you come begging for handouts? Maybe cut down on avocado toast and get a second job.
I knew a guy who kept getting bribed with free DVDs by AOL
I don’t know, but they’re worried about it now and they were okay with it when they started.
All the media companies wanted to be Netflix and so they invested heavily at the same time and flooded the market. Then wanted make more money so they added advertising. Now they ask why everyone left.
Paramount+ invested in Star Trek but hasn’t really seen a return on investment. The draw of Netflix was a variety of content and no commercials.
I seriously have no idea why everyone was stupid enough to make their own version of netflix, and not expect the market to be flooded. The second Disney announced Disney plus, I knew that was the end of streaming and the return of piracy.
The only streaming surface I use is Tubi because they have the most ethical business model, I watch their ads, they show me free movies and shows. They don’t double dip, and as long as they don’t, it will be the only site I don’t use Adblock on
I know that. They’re desperate for hits beyond Star Trek. The original plan was new Star Trek every week all year long. Now it’s no Star Trek for months at a time with one show ending (Discovery) and one animated show shuffled off to Netflix. That leaves Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks, and while they seem to be popular, it doesn’t seem to be translating into subscriptions and they don’t seem to have any other Trek shows in the pipeline.
What else do they have? Reboots. A new Spongebob, a new Frasier, a new Beavis and Butthead. No one is drawn to those. And their one attempt at a big budget sci-fi epic that wasn’t Star Trek, Halo, was a complete flop.
I subscribed to it for Star Trek but I couldn’t justify that any longer because I really wasn’t watching anything else.
To be fair the Beavis and Butthead reboot is excellent if you liked the original. I went in with low expectations and was very pleasantly surprised.
That said, it will definitely not save Paramount.
CBS would make more money selling those streaming rights.
Yeah I don’t understand why they don’t just sell the rights to Netflix or something I’m sure Netflix would buy the right if it was an option. They have had interest with Star Trek in the past but then there was a big falling out because CBS did it badly.
They seem to have got a grip now.
Right but what will happen is the platforms without ads will now fall before the ones with ads and reinforce the idea that more ads = good for business
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Guy who was in multiple pro-us army movies is pro Trump. Shocker of the year here.
Nobody that is pro-US army should support Trump, cause Trump is obviously anti-US army.
Nobody that is pro-US should support Trump, cause Trump is obviously anti-US.
Nobody should support Trump.
But I hate America and its storm troopers.
I don’t think Trump is going to help. He’s a fascist, not a saboteur.
I mean, he will sabotage the United States government, just in a way that’s detrimental for most of its citizens.
And probably everyone else in the world as well because no matter how annoying US international policy tends to be a version that supports fascism is even worse.
HEY! Don’t lump us people who hate the US with Trump voters, that’s fucked up
Guys fucking chill. Why give a shit
Why give a shit
You ask this like you’ve just time traveled from 15 years ago and missed everything that’s happened since then.
I think its the other way around. What got trump elected was that they could rightly spin this quasi hate hysteria to their advantage. Articles witch hunting celebrities simply based on their political opinion/views helped fuel and grow the trump base.
Maybe. Although I kind of think that the media’s obsession with ranting about every silly thing Trump did was the best advertisement for him out of all. When his name is all you see in the paper, it’s going to energize the people who are easily swayed by that kind of thing.
I can’t stand the guy myself but I also see articles like this and can’t stand the circle jerking and it alienates someone like me. And I’m fairly left politically. But the behaviour that I think this article is generating makes me consider that its also as cult like as trumps horde.
I don’t think its a good trait to start avoiding things that don’t agree with us politically. To say “I’m not watching his show anymore” seems like a bad idea because it’s likely applied in other parts of life.
Big picture here for me is at the end of the day, opinions spread like memes. If the left is sheltering away from things they don’t agree with then their fucking dumb assholes. Imagine a Jon Stewart show where he or his writers never once took the time to watch and evaluate things they disagreed with politically. Where would the content come from? So left is doomed if they start sheltering more and more because they won’t spread any ideas worth listening to.
I find myself just unable to agree with what you say.
I mean, let’s take the idea that we should be able to shut off someone’s political opinions and view them purely in a vacuum to the extreme. Imagine a cooking show hosted by Hitler. Could you watch “Cooking With Hitler” and truly divorce yourself from everything he did and said and believed and just enjoy his cupcakes? I know that I could not, and I don’t expect there are many people on the planet that honestly could.
So if we tone down the extremity of that example a bit, we can apply the same thing to what we’re looking at here. Kelsey Grammer’s political opinions are terrible. I don’t know how you can come to any conclusion other than that unless you are a die-hard MAGA. His politics are just abhorrent. I can only separate a person’s politics from their self and their work so much.
Back when he was in Frasier, I knew he was a pretty hardcore right wing conservative, but at the time that meant a different thing than it does today. It wasn’t so extreme that I couldn’t enjoy Frasier. But now, seeing what the GOP has become, and what they stand for, and what they’ve done over the past 15+ years, it’s too much for me. Anyone who chooses to stand in the same camp as Trump, the 1/6 insurrectionists, the Christian fascists… they’re too far gone for me to connect on any level. I have no idea if the Frasier reboot is any good (or the Roseanne one for that matter), because I am too aware of who these people are. They have shown not only a total lack of compassion and empathy, but also it’s extreme inverse. It’s Cooking With Hitler for me now.
It’s not at all about sheltering. I am not sheltered from these concepts. Quite far from that, in fact. It’s keen awareness of them that makes me so repulsed.
Imagine a cooking show hosted by Hitler
I think its good to let that argument sit and allow people to see that. This is an absurd take that Kelsey grammar saying he supports trump is in some way akin to watching a cooking show about Hitler. I know you didn’t say that directly. But the logic is there to associate it. I assume you are trying to use an extreme to show that there is a situation where it would be crazy to say “who cares their politics” but in this case presenting that case shows how absurd a lot of you are in your thinking on this issue. You have been driven to the fringes just as the right were years ago and still are. You’re all being bent like a reed.
The absurdity of that statement was the point of it. That seems to have gone way over your head. Oh well…
Trump and maga republicans are on an entirely different spectrum than differing opinions. They are actively destructive anti democratic lunatics. I’m all for negotiating and broadly navigating politics and policies in effort to give and take across a diverse populace. I would soon alienate anyone and everyone that supports trump and his maga lunatics full of hate than give a single fuck about anything they have to say. Theirs plenty wrong with the democrats and I hope the Republican Party is able to pull its head out of its ass but until that happens anyone supporting their regressive hate filled bullshit is a pile of human shit as far as I’m concerned. It’s past the point of being able to claim willful ignorance, even Fox News has had to pull away from trump and correct his blatant lies that he tries to incite his goons with its so bad.
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James Woods earlier career was certainly noteworth, since he hard leaned into being a political snowflake hack, what performances of his are noteworthy ?
My favorite would have to be Videodrome, but that doesn’t answer the question you asked of course.
I just wanted to mention Videodrome because it’s awesome
I wish we had been able hear his full comments. All of the craziness aside he really is a pretty intelligent person so his decision to vocally and emphatically support Trump is beyond anomalous, it’s so antithetical to seemingly every element of his own career.
Trump is literally the sideshow Bob character in that court scene ranting about how people want a king and that’s why they need Republicans. I guess it was sort of tongue in cheek then but now it reads as saying the quiet part out loud.
Plus Frasier the show was remarkably inclusive(for an almost all white TV show that is), very openly liberal and sometimes even progressive. It just seems so fucking strange for him to come out as a trumpet.
All of the craziness aside he really is a pretty intelligent person
Is he? He has made a career out of playing smart people, but I don’t know if he’s smart.
Plus Frasier the show was remarkably inclusive(for an almost all white TV show that is), very openly liberal and sometimes even progressive. It just seems so fucking strange for him to come out as a trumpet.
Watch the old Rosanne episodes. Her show was very progressive for its time. She had characters who were gay and in loving relationships. The fact that they were gay wasn’t a punchline - well, not any more than the straight characters were made fun of for their sexual antics. There was even an episode where a gay woman kissed Rosanne. At the time, this was shocking to see on TV.
They had an episode where DJ refused to kiss a girl in his class (for a school play) because she was black and Rosanne and Dan were upset regarding his bigoted attitude.
If anything, Dan was the more conservative of the two in some instances. DJ once wanted to dress as a witch (IIRC) for Halloween and Dan was against it because it wasn’t manly enough. Rosanne was supportive.
The character of Rosanne should have evolved into a progressive who was supportive of LGBTQ folks, people of different ethnicities (though she would have still been blunt about it), etc. Instead, thanks to the real Rosanne, fictional Rosanne became a hard-core Trumper.
KG is not a smart man; he just plays one on tv.
That was good role reversal as Sideshow Bob is voiced by Grammer.
Amen
Clearly, the writers just followed him around and wrote down what he said whenever they had a Sideshow Bob episode.
Probably yes.
The real mystery is how did they get Kevin Sorbo to play Hercules, I mean surely a religious fanatic like him is horrified knowing that he played a pagan God
Because christians never really stopped worshipping that golden calf. They all went along with Moses because he got super pissed, but behind his back they were all “that golden calf though…”
Indeed, I’m not a Christian but I have a close Catholic friend of mine, and although I no longer believe in supernatural, I wish I did but can only Chase rainbows so long until you realize there’s no gold, but one thing we definitely see eye to eye on is that we want to kick anyone who preaches Prosperity Gospel in the goddamn teeth, and then the dick, and then the teeth again, and then kick their ass until their head falls off then kick the head and then kick the ass again because I don’t think it’s learned it’s lesson
No dissenting views allowed here, Frasier must be cancelled!
Strawman says what?
You know you’ve lost the argument when you stop defending your views and instead pivot to strawman defending your right to have them in spite of them beint indefensible.
You’re perfectly welcome to dissent, and also reap the consequences of that dissent.
Is anyone here calling for it to be canceled outright? If it’s canceled because people don’t want to watch it because they think an actor sucks as a human, that’s just the free market, right? If it was a better show/actor, they’ll still do alright (look at Tom Cruise or any number of problematic actors).
It’s the free market when someone conservatives don’t like gets pulled, and cancel culture when it’s someone they do like. Simple as that. 🙂
I thought it was a boycott when Bud light, Nike or the NFL gets to woke and has to be corrected.
Wow, I’ve never changed my opinion on someone so fast before, that’s insane.
Me too and going cancel my Paramount plus account over it and boycott all his shows and movies.
Wow Frasier, you suck.
Anyone can support anyone they like, but it speaks to your character at the very least.
Dude literally led an insurrection to overthrow democracy, wake the fuck up with this nonsense?
His 18-year old sister was murdered by an african-american serial killer in 1975. Perhaps that did something for his political position.
Still a bit weird to be pro-Trump after his attempted insurrection. But that’s tribalism for you.
