I hope I will not get downvoted because I’m genuinely wondering
Lemmy almost has no users from neither Israel or Palestine, however most of communities filled with Anti Israel content, I even tried muting all news related communities, but now I see anti Israel content in completely unrelated communities, like [email protected] and [email protected]
Is there a reason why Lemmy is so fixated on Israel/Palestine? Neither of other world conflicts get even close in terms of attention. It’s neither a case on my microblogging Fediverse account or my most “algoritmic” social media, even kbin part of the Threadiverse seems not as obsessed with it, what’s so different about Lemmy?
(Sorry for a bit clickbait-y title)
Edit: I actually might take down this post because half of people in replies completely misunderstood it
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you wish fewer people were horrified and outraged over active genocide?
Even if genocide happens as you say, I don’t see any attention to other genocides in the world on there, only to this specific war
Because it’s the most recent world event. Were you not seeing constant discussions about Russia/Ukraine when that first started?
Nobody ever mentions Africa is what’s weird to me.
There’s a very dark joke in the international community.
How do you move an article about 50k people being killed in a natural disaster from the front page to page 15?
Start the article with “Yesterday in Africa…”
@PrinceWith999Enemies
I feel like natural disasters are different from man-made genocides
@Cylusthevirus
Lemmy wasn’t as popular back and even tho it had it’s share of users, I wasn’t on it, so I can’t really say how it was on Lemmy
I have seen discussions about Russia-Ukrainian but I haven’t seen them at all outside of the political communities on Lemmy, and they seem limited to certain communities.
And is it the most recent world event?
People in the US are concerned about this genocide because we’re paying for it. The US sends Israel billions of dollars every year. This is our tax dollars at work.
This is a logical fallacy. For example just because the Uighur issue receives less present attention (because it’s not NEW) doesn’t make the latest attempt at genocide more acceptable.
We’re not sure how much is real and how much is Western propaganda. It’s not like our own nations don’t lie to us.
Western propoganda? I’m surprised you’re on kbin and not on lemmygrad
You’re so aware! /s because it’s needed. WMD and Iraq. Gulf of Tonkin. Plenty more.
It’s the same as anywhere. FWIW obviously inflammatory stuff gets removed from [email protected] under rule 9. Disagreements are okay, but folks are expected to keep things civil. Also an issue for kbin/mbin is that moderator removals aren’t federated probably to/from Lemmy.
Hmm, actually now that you say it, it may be the actual reason, sounds pretty logical to me, even tho I do think (most?) Mod actions do get federated.
To be investigated.
If you use the spammers from the last two days as evidence for mod actions federation, those actions were not really federated (I know for sure that admin ones are not between Lemmy instances, let’s not even ask K/mbin), it was more than everyone was blocking the accounts on every instance.
Actually, I just checked, they are not.
Example:
- https://feddit.de/post/6311541?scrollToComments=true
- https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]/t/430802/Central-Paris-attack-leaves-one-dead-and-one-injured#comments
maybe you should unsubscribe to anything that keeps filling up your front page with such things.
That’s what I do. I don’t see anything that I don’t want to see.
I said in the reply that I tried, I have a separate non political account and I tried to do it on it, and it haven’t worked, I still seen a lot of discuss relating to it on completely apolitical communities
Are you asking why Lemmy has a lean towards political activism? Why the political activism is so heavily focused on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict? Or why they’ve chosen the side that they have within that conflict?
All three are completely different questions, and all of them are complicated and also pretty much impossible to answer with any real confidence. But they’re interesting.
Anyways, which is the biggest thrust of your question?
I am talking about apolitical communities, or those that are supposed to be apolitical at least, i apologize if I haven’t made it clear enough in my original thread.
There is no such thing as an “apolitical” community - not here on the fediverse or anywhere else.
@masquenox
Prove it
@FitikNo. You can prove it by providing one example of an “apolitical” community.
Shouldn’t be too hard for you, eh?
@masquenox
It was clearly hard for youSo I guess that’s a no-go on your part, eh?
Don’t worry… I’m nice, so I’ll give you two more tries.
Apolitical communities formed of people that are otherwise more politically active sorts may see a little more politics than normal, during particularly emotional times.
It’s more about the people than the community.
I completely understand it and your point is valid. However, I was talking about communities unrelated to it, I am not even apolitical myself, I say so because I usually have 2 separate accounts for interacting with political content and non political one, but when I tried to do it on Threadiverse - I failed.
Right. I was just saying that communities that are completely, 100% unrelated to politics, may begin to see more politics, during particularly emotional times.
So, in a community completely unrelated to politics, people can still talk about politics unless it is against the rules. So, during times when people are sad, angry or otherwise upset, it kinda just creeps in?
Make sure that if you really want to stay away from it, you look for communities where political discussion is specifically a ban-able offense. Those will usually have a lot less fighting and arguments.
As for why there is so much of this on Lemmy specifically, it’s because we are probably more politically active than most of the rest of the internet.
That’s what I thought too, I mentioned in this reply that it was like that everywhere when the war have just started and when the Israel started to respond https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]/t/433028/-/comment/2729986 However, it has been 59 days since the war start already and I don’t see any less talking about this issues, unlike in other social media where it is limited to the political communities.
And thanks for the thoughtful and full response, it might be one of the best explanations I got in those replies, pretty well written.
We don’t see any less genocide either.
No problem. That would start to bleed into the second of the questions I proposed earlier, and frankly, the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is just special. Like, unique in many ways. So it dominates when it’s around, that’s the same every time it fires back up. There’s a lot of storied history, rooted in things everyone has studied and at least vaguely understands.
And this particular flare-up is particularly huge. Lots of big explosions, lots of footage, lots of carnage.
Zionists can’t help but cry regardless of what community they’re in. Add lemmy’s general stance against apartheid and oppressive government and you have a community primed to “pick on israel” when they’re actually just expressing their opinions. The zionists love to make themselves the victim regardless of actual circumstances
Lemmy doesn’t have many enforced apolitical communities. Because even the meaning of apolitical is contentious and arguably political.
Actually, suprisingly, maybe not “enforced” but it does have a lot of vibrant and different communities not related to politics.
I mean the moderators don’t usually take down political things from what I’ve seen. Memes on .ml for example is specifically okay with propaganda posters.
And every other nations’ propaganda, notably Western’ nations. * appear on every other instance.
@JohnDClay
What is an example of a political aspect to defining “apolitical”?
@FitikIs being trans political for example.
@JohnDClay
No if you just happen to be trans. Yes if you’re doing activism about it.Is this political for example? People would say both ways.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42910186
Another example is fictional character relationships. Are the lesbian relationships in arcane political for example?
@JohnDClay
>https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42910186
Political because it’s a caricature of trans reactionism.I have never read or heard of arcane.
There is a lot of leftist/communist who run lemmy. I guess they are aint jewish and pro palestine. My guess
It is so awesome to check the reduces to your post to update my blocklists on kbin - thanks for your service
I know plenty of Jewish folks who aren’t happy with the Israeli government and how this is being handled.
Being anti Israel is not anti Jewish. Please don’t conflate the two.
I know, I am completely not surprised by them, I am talking specifically about communities with zero relation to politics, to Israel or to Palestine. I apologize if I haven’t made it clear enough in my original post
considering Israel has no problem killing Palestinian Jews, where does that put them on the anti-semitic spectrum?
I haven’t seen any comments like what you’re describing.
Can we switch accounts please?/s Actually in one of the replies a person mentioned that it might be because of the mod actions not federating properly to kbin/mbin, and it’s actually sounds as a logical reason, especially if you say that you haven’t seen what I’m describing.
The Fediverse is heavily far left-leaning. The far left is anti-Israel, and thus so are most Fediverse users.
Anti-genocide and anti-apartheid (antifascist) is not “far left.” Those things are far right.
I know it is, however I’m talking about communities that have no relation with politics, news, Israel or Palestine
Oh, I see. My guess is poor moderation.
Being against apartheid is not a “far left” position.
Lemmy originally has an anti-west bias. That naturally spans to general communities as well
Of course you will get downvoted because there is no nuance with those people (often Tankies or „anticolonional“/„antiimperial“ leftists) and when they hate on „Israel“ and „Zionism“, they more often than not, mean „Jews“.
And exactly those people are part of the reason that Jews are scared for their life all over the world.
As someone that considers himself a leftist, even by European standards, I am honestly disgusted by those people. I think „those people“ are willing to betray left values as long it is about Israel or Jews. Many of them even lack basic human empathy as long as „only“ Jews and/or Israelis are concerned.
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thanks @ElcaineVolta ! As you disapprove of my posts, I know I do the right things.
Oh whatever. I’m a Jew. Israel is committing genocide. It’s that simple. What they are doing is why I am scared for my life. Because they are radicalizing people against Jews through this genocide. Maybe you need a little empathy.
I don’t care what you claim to be.
Yeah, sure, because finding out what actual Jews think wouldn’t make you feel so condescendingly paternalistic over us.
“Claim to be”? You sound like a sad sack of shit.
Seems to me you’re willing to abandon left values when it pertains to Palestine.
There’s plenty of nuance to be had here, but there’s a clear cut reason as to why many are steering towards Anti-Israel, and it’s not Judaism.
It is true that Hamas has slaughtered innocent civilians, and Israel absolutely had to respond…
But how on Earth can you sit there and side with a country who’s reaction to a terrorist attack was to commit human rights violations and start a genocide against innocent civilians of that nationality?
Do you mean to tell me that bombing hundreds of innocent Palestinians, and then cutting off essential water and electricity to many more is a warranted response to any of this?
Also, since I keep seeing this - stop with the “Anti-Israel = Anti-Semite” crap - Israel is a Jewish state, not Judaism itself. This is the equivalent of saying Saudi Arbia represents all of Islam because of Mecca, or that the Vatican city represents all of Christianity.
Criticising Israel for playing a game of morality limbo with the Hamas isn’t an attack on Judaism, nor is it advocating for any kind of hatred towards Jewish people.
Though let’s be honest, if you won’t even take a Jewish person’s word for it that your take is shite, you’re never gonna take mine.
name checks out
This morning I read some statistic that approx 73% of all internet traffic is bots & shills.
So that might have something to do with this phenomenon you’re experiencing.
Most of that has got to be miscellaneous stuff though, like maintenance testing. How would that work out for business if more than half of us were bots?
I will say though, it brings some assurance to be able to say “I’m also ____ on another website” as bots cannot operate universally with uniformity. For example, if I were to mention here how I’m DollarGeneralKenobi on PsychCentral and vice versa, it would pose a challenge to the bot thing based on the stereotype that a bot is only made to be interested in one meeting place.
@shinigamiookamiryuu
I don’t think lemm.ee is a business. Is it a business? I’d be surprised if so.
@LemmyKnowsBest
Maybe it might because Israel is in the wrong? Maybe overreacting a bit and committing something awfully close to genocide? Just a thought.
I think the reason why people in the US care about this genocide (and not others) is because the US is funding it so hard.
I care mostly because it’s wrong.
@Maeve
I mean, the one kind of feeds into each other. If a genocide happens happens then that enrages politically and morally conscious people. If you are forced to materially contribute to that genocide then that’s even more enraging.
@Fitik @billwashere @voidMainVoid
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“Is there a reason why Lemmy is so fixated on Israel/Palestine?”
I figure that people who take the time to swap to federated social media are generally going to be people that are a little more political…
and Israel is currently actively committing genocide. So political people are posting anti-israel posts. It’s really not more complicated than that.What Hamas did was atrocious, and how Israel responds is even worse. Where I live, people are not against Israel or Palestine per se. They are against violence and genocide. And rightfully so. No matter who commits the crimes, or where they are committed, they are still crimes and it’d frankly be weird not to condemn them in the strongest possible way. Is it really that difficult not to think only in terms of us-them. black-white, good-bad and/or left-right? The level of discourse (or absence thereof) is quite disheartening.
