Vaccines can be delivered through the skin using ultrasound. This method doesn’t damage the skin and eliminates the need for painful needles. To create a needle-free vaccine, Darcy Dunn-Lawless at the University of Oxford and his colleagues mixed vaccine molecules with tiny, cup-shaped proteins. They then applied liquid mixture to the skin of mice and exposed it to ultrasound – like that used for sonograms – for about a minute and a half.
We do realize that force vaccination is a human right violation, right?
Especially, when the product is not actually “safe nor effective.”
It’s comparable yet worse than force feeding animal meat to a vegan.
You should really educate yourself before making yourself look like a fool in a comment.
The principles of bodily autonomy support the moron, unfortunately. Forcing something into the body of another against their will is generally considered a deplorable act, and makes the forcer criminally liable for any harm that arises.
I’m certainly not anti-vax, but I can’t find a philosophically sound justification for forcibly vaccinating an individual.
Forced vaccinations weren’t and still aren’t a thing in the US. (I’m sure there were exceptions, but I mean large scale and general public)
However requiring a vaccine in order to participate in society (jobs, school, etc.) is perfectly reasonable. It’s still a choice, just that the consequences are on those making the choice instead of on those around them.
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Terrible analogy. Human lives and computer systems are not really comparable. Pretty sure the responsibility of keeping each computer free of virus falls on the users of those terminals or the IT department managing it.
Has a security update ever done more harm than the virus that it’s trying to stop?
Check r/vaccinelonghaulers in reddit for more information.
COVID has a very high survival rate without intervention. Early treatment with a few drugs proved to be more efficacious on saving lives. Intubation and Remdesevir killed more people than it helped.
And, at least in the US, many of us who are against the mRNA gene therapies will literally as in actually fight to the death those Nazis who are into force injecting things into people.
I will; however, continue to pray for all those who received doses that they don’t succumb to cardiac myopathies, blood clots, or strokes.
So many people that had the shots are struggling with perpetual pneumonias. It’s sad.
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For which part?
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Good thing no one is being forced then and that the vaccines are safe and effective
I have more, but this one is fresh.
Someone being a vegan doesn’t exactly put other people at risk.
Where does other peoples’ freedom start? Do you also have the freedom to burn toxic materials in your backyard, where your neighbours can inhale the smoke? Because proper disposal of toxic waste is much more similar to getting vaccinated than your metaphor.
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It’s really good that the media really managed to communicate to people that antivaxers are the enemy of everyone now.
When I think of an antivaxer, I imagine it’s some creature that we don’t normally see, because they are so ugly, stupid and insane that they wouldn’t be able to function in society without a lot of help getting their pants on in the morning.
I mean, imagine going against the specific advice of all those experts and NOT taking the vaccine?? That’s like putting a gun to the head of grandma who just wants to live her last few days in happiness, and then that stupid antivaxer just kills her! So evil.
I’m thankful we live in a society where we now can be confident what is true, because it’s very clearly being communicated to all of us, all the time. Who can miss that?? It’s like everywhere! Stupid antivaxers, hope they all die off like the poison on society they all are.
Where does it say anything about antivaxxers?
The thread comments. :)
Not sure how to interpret your comment. Is it being sarcastic?
Antivaxxers are indeed fucking stupid pieces of shit. It isn’t some propaganda by the media. It’s science / logic.
Of course not. We have science, and there should be no reason to question that anymore, now that we know what the truth is. It took us a long time to get here too. But now we know.
I guess it’s interesting but this seems to have minimal use case. For those with reactions to injections and such it’s useful, but it seems much easier to use a needle in most cases. Also that article claims that it “doesn’t damage the skin”, but I don’t see why a vaccine would cause any meaningful damage to the skin in the first place.
Edit: Okay I’m seeing now how this would be useful for more frequent injections like insulin and such if it can be used like that.
It literally tears a hole in the flesh with a puncture wound. It’s the definition of damaging.
Minor damage, but damage none the less.
I guess the fear of needles is a constant problem when children are vaccinated. Having an alternative method ready could make it easier for children, parents and doctors.
Not only children. I know a guy that passes out (or almost does) when they try to inject him with needles.
I know a guy like that too. Okay, it’s me. I have to ask the doctor to let me be lying down when I get a shot. But at least it’s not as embarrassing as passing out in the little chair and have a 115 lb. nurse trying to hold me up before I hit the floor. That has happened more than once.
The mRNA shots are very sensitive. I’m not allowed to shake them prior to administration, only swirl gently. I feel like this tech will damage them no?
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Vaccines just vibing their way into your body
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Gosh, I’m sure they’ll latch on to that one.
Oh man they’re pushing vaccines into us remotely, I knew it!
So, now antivax mothers can’t get ultrasound anymore while they’re pregnant?
Cue an entire generation of malformed republican babies will smallpox
Did one of them time travel?
This made me chuckle.
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Can we give children vaccines in a way that the only prevention would be to wear a mask???
This would… Possibly work…
Neat. I wonder if my grandchildren will see that technology in use, because I doubt it’ll happen in my lifetime.
They’re more likely to have “ports” installed. I mean, if people are already lining up to have chips put in their brains…
And here come the conspiracy theories…
No joke. The first thing that popped into my mind when reading the title was: “great, now my father will be afraid to do an ultrasound test”
Now you can be ultrasounded while walking down the street! You wont even notice.
This is more unsettling than a needle to me.
What do you think about jet injectors?
a narrow, high-pressure stream of liquid penetrates the outermost layer of the skin to deliver medication to targeted underlying tissues
It’s how I got some vaccines in gradeschool. To the underside of my upper arm, the fatty bit. Hurt like fuck.
This is what I was thinking when reading the title. That one supposedly was cool, because there was no needle, never seen one in action but I presume there also was no bleeding.
Yet we don’t see them used today, apparently the biggest reason was that there was a splashback and retrograde follow and then patient’s blood could end up contaminating the nozzle, so basically it was like using the same needle on multiple patients.
They’re not cool. They’re fast and good for giving lots of shots in a situation where you need to get a lot of people in a hurry - especially if you’re giving multiple vaccinations at the same time.
I got one of those used on me in basic training - a place where you need to vaccinate a few thousand people in about 30 minutes. Each one could do 4 shots at a time, and they had them in multiple configurations so you could get up to 4 in each arm for each “injection” station. We stepped through the line, and you got whatever shots you were missing in your records.
It hurts, like you could imagine a high pressure power washer with a needle-point burst with 4 heads blasting vaccines in your arms. It works, in the machine-like way the military works, and it is highly effective for mass vaccinations. So, I guess it makes it cool, but also it sucks like you’d expect 4-30 vaccines at once would suck.
What do you think about jet injectors?
That one supposedly was cool
They’re not cool.
What a wild ride. 😏
Grandpa told me about a guy in basic that jerked when they shot it, absolutely tore open his arm.
Fuck that, give me the needle. And I fucking hate needles.
I’m right there with you.
I think no. I don’t like needles either, but I’ll deal with those first.
I think that’s the basic premise of the Star Trek hypospray. Pressure pushing in medicine rather than a needle.
Actual hyposprays have been around since the 60’s. They are, by all account, quite painful and ironically not very hygienic.
Jet_injector
Fallout is a documentary series.
My favorite anecdote, though not necessarily mine, about jet inoculation comes from the army. They had long lines of men to immunize and little time to do it. Walk up, hold still, hear the click, feel the water pierce you, walk away sore. However, if anyone moved even slightly during the process, the needle of water becomes a knife, slicing their shoulder open. It was not a well thought out mechanism.
Concerns
- Splash-back
- Fluid suck-back
- Retrograde flow
Who thought this was a good idea?
The 60s. They weren’t all there back then
A lot slower, though. Article says it takes a minute and a half.
Also consider the people who have needle phobias. My heart starts to race before getting a vaccine. If I have to give a blood sample I will faint.
I’m getting woozy talking about this.
That’s weird. My heartrate and blood pressure go down before getting a shot.
Then I go down, and feel like death for a day and like I’m in rehab for a week.
Funny thing, I’m not really getting woozy talking about it (a little, but more sympathetic memory of it).
It takes my kid half an hour of screaming and throwing a public fit just to get within two miles of a needle, so I’ll take it.
Fwiw, my kid who was like that still hates needles, she just has better ways of coping now. The other kid likes to watch it go in, doesn’t bother her a bit.
Both get an ice cream cone on the way home.
Of course being clenched up with fear makes it more painful too, so at some point not in the middle of the screaming, make sure they know to try to relax that arm muscle even if the rest of their body is rigid with fear. And to remember it’s going to take maybe 10 seconds so don’t pull away. (It will take less, but kids count fast)
It’s too bad we can’t let them do it themselves, it might make it easier.
Also tell the person administering it to do it slowly. In my experience, most of the pain was from them doing it too fast. Something about the fluid stretching the muscle in painful ways before it can spread out, or something.
That tracks with my experience. I’m shot-tolerant, so I have the calmness to observe. Of course, some are also just inherently more irritating/painful than others, and there’s different volumes of liquid as well.
For instance, if you’re shot-averse, get Pfizer Covid rather than Moderna Covid. It’s ⅓ of the size/dose.
Fair enough.
That’s more like a jet injector, which we’ve already had for a while.
Sweet, now they can charge me $1k for a shot and not use a needle.
Last time I got an ultrasound the hospital charged me $2k. Wanted to confirm nothing was wrong with my kidneys. Turns out I was all good, but now I have an expensive bill to deal with…
$2k is largely the doctors time for the procedure, plus interpretation (sometimes another doctor entirely, particularly when multiple opinions are warranted).
Of course, the equipment probably isn’t cheap either
Edit - damn. Looks like I was very wrong on this one!
90-95% of imaging cost is the technical fee. An ultrasound is usually 0.5 to 1.0 RVUs roughly. So let’s say 1. The RVU rate for radiologists right now is around $45-60 an RVU. So of the $2k for the ultrasound, a Radiologist will make about $50 of it.
In my recent experience, that wasn’t the case. Ultrasound at the ER was $370 for the contracted radiologist. And a whipping $1700 for a 5 minute use of the machine.
man a little vaccine needle is the least painful shot, i didn’t even feel the last 5 i got until the next day
Intramuscular always caused me soreness, except maybe once. I don’t know what that nurse did differently, I felt the needle sink in, and it hurt; but there was near-zero residual soreness.
Yeahhhhhhhhh there is some value here
Signed,
A parent of two children under 5
