Shortly before opening, Casa Bonita’s new owners Matt Stone and Trey Parker decided to eliminate tipping and instead pay workers a flat wage of $30 per hour.
Now I could be wrong, but getting a an hourly wage as a restaurant worker is FAR better than relying on tips. I feel like either workers in this situation are too obsessed with tips or there’s huge context missing.
I don’t go out much, but when I do, I tip. I know the pay is shit, so I’ll do my part until wages get better. If I knew a place had the option of getting 30/ hour and wanted to go back to tips, I sure wouldn’t.
You’re looking at a magazine called restaurant business online. They have another article about a bunch of people calling the protest of the Israeli PR person’s restaurant “anti-semitic”.
some tipped workers come out ahead in effective wage, but it’s fleeting and a bad way to organize society
i wouldn’t put it past the park brothers to be screwing them over in some other way and the “return to tipping” is just sensationalized from the old benefits being better and “we want the previous deal” being easier to argue for as labor.
Fucking 30$ an hour!? That’s amazing! That’s more than teachers make where I live…
Like, more than 30% more wow
Still not enough, but dang tbh
Tipping is a bad system for workers no matter how you cut it and the data shows this. Largely tips are completely disconnected from the actual performance of the waiter, and the biggest factor is simply the race and gender of the waiter in question. I have worked in restaurants and I know how good getting a generous tip can feel, so I understand why workers might preceive it to be in their best interest, but the data on this is really clear. Tipping is a holdover of jim crow that allows owners to offload the cost of paying wages onto both the customer and employee entirely and it should be abolished as a system.
Edit: Also for people reflexively saying “the workers want it and therefor it is good and you are reactionary if you don’t support them!” That’s called fucking tailism. Just because s group of workers want a thing doesn’t necessarily make it good its called the working CLASS for a reason, it’s not about individual interests or even the interests of a sub group its about the interests of us all.
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“the workers want it and therefor it is good and you are reactionary if you don’t support them!”
We also don’t even know if it’s the workers that want this. All we are being shown is a petition that has ~5k signatures on it, despite the restaurant only having 256 employees according to the article. And in the second to last line of the article, we are told this:
Of 256 employees, 93 were a part of the shift and only two said they were unhappy about it, management said at the time.
If we can only find 2 people that are upset with the policy despite having a petition with thousands of signatures, then I think it’s safe to conclude that the people supporting the petition and the people working at the restaurant don’t overlap very much.
Which makes sense, because if the workers were united on this issue and were serious about forcing their boss to make a change to employment policy, then they would be passing around union election cards instead of sharing a petition and getting signatures of people who don’t even work at the restaurant. A union has real leverage to force a business to make policy changes, a petition doesn’t.
It doesn’t make sense for workers to try to change a policy like this through a petition, so the only likely reason for a petition like this to exist is so that media outlets like this can have a pretext to write an article about how seemingly unpopular this policy is in order to manufacture consent against demands for similar policies in the wider industry. A petition is great for this kind of hit job, because it focuses solely on the apparent disapproval of whoever they could find that was willing to sign. A petition doesn’t give you any data on how many people approve of the new policy relative to the disapproval rate, a petition doesn’t give you any information on how many people declined to sign, a petition doesn’t give you information where this disapproval is coming from (such as from the workers themselves or some outside source), and as such writing an article about a petition doesn’t present you with any contradicting data that might undermine the narrative you’re trying to sell.
I am under no impression that this petition represents genuine grievances and demands from the workers themselves, and rather that it is likely the product of some astroturfing effort from other business owners and executives in the industry who have a vested interest in discouraging this policy from becoming commonplace/industry standard.
Excellent points!
My algorithm keeps recommending the new South Park season where it appears the main cast of children have been replaced by adult women of color wearing the same outfits. I used to watch SP but I do not want to know how awful this season is.
Heard thats a satire episode
I’m sure they will “both sides” it like they always do.
I was ready to shit on it but I think they actually had an okay take, Kyle (who is usually more of the voice of the creators) mentioned increased representation was good, when it was actually done with care and not just lazy skintone swapping, he mentioned Miles Morales was great. But I think the special overall could give rhetorical fuel to reactionaries.
Your average reactionary South Park fan already had their opinion on representation in media and likely only heard that side of the episode.
Second hand knowledge: they both sides it.
Unrelated to SP’s bad politics, I liked the character’s gender swapped designs.
They did lol
I hate watched it and shit was painful, finally got a laugh out of me 45 minutes in.
“One the one hand it’s nice for minorities when they see stories about people who look like them on TV but on the other hand white males never complained about representation when they went from 99% to 96% of characters on TV so I guess if you think representation is good you’re the same as a nazi. The important thing is to never firmly believe in anything or else you’re the real loser, regardless if that thing is good or bad.”
Really got their finger on the pulse of American culture and deffinitly not just reactionary shitheads if they’re making a whole special about how underrepresented straight white males are in American media.
got their finger on the pulse of American culture
not just reactionary shitheads
It could be both. A lot of the culture is reactionary and shitty.
The complaints could be a result of $30 at or below full time employment. We could be looking at a Walmart Style situation where they are paying employees but keeping them at 32 hours or less to also avoid benefits.
I would want to know what are the employees actually saying.
Alternatively this could be a hit job, cause restaurants around the area - or business groups in general, want to avoid eliminating tipping for improved pay.
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You dont have to agree with everything they do, but Southpark is the only show that are not afraid to discuss certains subjects. Dead Children should be mandatory to watch for every us citizens.
EDIT: In view of the many responses to this post, i’d like to add that if you really think south park is a right-wing show, you’re showing your interchangeability. By that I mean that I firmly believe that people who are incapable of discussion and questioning their ideas are similar, no matter what side they’re on. I’m convinced that if you’d been born in Texas into a conservative family, you’d be parading around in a pickup truck against drag queens in schools right now. It’s simply a question of life context that makes you here now.
Its a really fucking stupid show most of the time though
Yea who gives a fuck if they “discuss issues other wouldnt” if their take away is always the exact same, which is if you care strongly about anything one way or thenother you’re as bad as the other side and the correct approach is to do whatever you want and anybody who tries to make you feel bad about that is the real dummy.
Well, here’s a clear-cut and poorly explained opinion. Not much to help move things forward. Anyway, I disagree. Even when I don’t agree with some of the show’s ideas, their ideas are never simplistic and it has the merit of forcing me to think about why and how I disagree, which is already more than 95% of the uncompromising content you find these days.
Theres no explanation to have, its a stupid fucking show that mostly just propaganda for white libertarians
Well, as you seem to hold all the absolute truths, I’ll leave you with your certainties and continue to believe that complex subjects often have complex answers, and that the world is cruelly lacking in intellectual nuance. I also suggest you look up what propaganda really means.
Starting to think the ML in Lemmy.ml stands for machine learning, because there’s no way an adult human writes like this
Sorry for sounding like an AI to you. I actually speak 4 langages, doing my best to translate my thoughts in english because people like you cant understand anything else.
I actually speak 4 languages
Congratulations.
You’re on a Marxist forum with users all over the world, not Reddit.
Being multilingual isn’t fucking special, most of the world is, and most of our users are.
I am very sorry for whatever life circumstances and/or choices have lead to you thinking that south park is a nuanced and intelligent show. In 2023 no less.
It’s a cartoon made for edgy-brained cable TV watchers, most of whom started watching it when they were literal children.
No need to feel sorry for me, nomatter how much you’d like to make me feel stupid, the fact is that my whole life and career have been about telling me that I’m not. I rather think it’s this sub that’s filled with a edgy-brained caricature of little vigilantes hiding behind a keyboard, who’ve probably never achieved anything concrete that would actually be coherent with their speech, but who take refuge behind the idea that they’re intellectually superior.
dawg every comment you make is completely off the rails like what the hell are you doing here lmao
people said south park is a dumb and bad show that promotes bad ideas and you’re seemingly one step away from sending me your CV for some reason
How old are you jfc
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The main message of the show is that those edgy brain dead cable TV watchers are smarter than anybodybwho cares strongly about a topic in wither direction.
N word? People who get really upset and don’t think white people should say it are the same as virulent racists.
Climate change? People who think it’s real might be right but they’re so I sufferable its better to do nothing.
Political correctness? The greatest threat facing our country in the caliber year 2016. If you think people should be politically correct you’re the same as a racist Trump supporter.
You can see why the dumbest people in the world think it’s a smart show, because the show told the dumbest people in the world they’ve actually got it all figured out.
South Park is for juvenile contrarians and baby brained libertarians. There nothing complex about it.
It’s certainly more nuanced and intelligent than the majority of people who reply to me here and seem incapable of any argument other than insults. So far I’ve mostly add positive interaction on Lemmy, this community is fill with people who seem to live beyond their intellectual means.
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Give one example of the show actually making a good argument.
I feel like this sub is just privilege wannabes justice warriors, there’s nothing complex about all the point people are making. insults are not a valid argument.
Calling anybody who points out libertarians are vapid morons “privellaged wannabee justice warriors” could be an entire season of Southpark.
Nobody is surprised the dumbshit libertarian dude thinks Southpark is clever and subversive.
you are defending a show with one of the most transphobic caricatures ever made on a site that is largely queer or queer-positive. i don’t know what you expect man. you have to give examples to prove your point if you want people to engage in detail, but instead you revert directly to calling your critics idiots (in the most reddit-brained passive aggressive humblebragging way possible) for simply stating their contrary opinion.
If you think the ideas presented in South Park aren’t simplistic then that’s a problem with you and not everyone else
By that I mean that I firmly believe that people who are incapable of discussion and questioning their ideas are similar, no matter what side they’re on.
Most of us here on hexbear were born and raised in western countries, many of us in the exact sort of conservative families you’re talking about. Yet we are all here today advocating for the most heavily demonized political positions in these countries. We’re communists and anarchists. We want a fundamentally different system.
And you think we are the ones who are “incapable of questioning ideas”? Hilarious.
I’m older than you by the way, which obviously means that I’m right and you’re wrong
interchangeability. By that I mean that I firmly believe that people who are incapable of discussion and questioning their ideas are similar, no matter what side they’re on.
when you’re too dumb to come up with a clever insult so you make up a definitionIt’s actually how it’s define in french. Maybe it doesn’t translate well in english. Do your part for equality and look it up lol. Anyway can you come up with anything else than insults? For a bunch of open-minded boys, you sure all use the same the same rhetoric as right-wing fascists.
Hey, watch your mouth or I’ll talk to the king of england and get you deported to louisiana again
“being rude to me is the same thing as fascism”
jesus christ son that doctorate is meaningless isn’t it
tbh I’m stupid but not stupid enough to spend 3600 a year for 6 years for a sentence on a CV stupid
spending tens of thousands of dollars so that when your dumb opinions get challenged you can cry about having a doctorate and being mother’s special smart boy (at 42)
Lol no the Southpark guys don’t “discuss topics” they present the center right side as objectively true and then portay any leftwing position as a loony caricature and then say “well I guess both sides have opinions” all the while relying on the audience to agree with the right. Like occasionally they will pick on the fascist right, but only when they get so outrageous you can’t not make fun of them.
Their episodes on trans people were unquestionably some of the most disgusting bits of propaganda I have ever seen, and I see a fucking ton of it.
I’m convinced that if you’d been born in Texas into a conservative family, you’d be parading around in a pickup truck against drag queens in schools right now.
So you’re saying this is cool with you? No wonder you like South Park.
They have funny episodes and moments, but outside of shock value I find it mostly annoying. These guys cover the most recent topics and try to come up with some centrist take within a week. I don’t know if they’re still doing the overarching storyline for each season, but at least when I watched it it was rather stale and ignorant
The funny episodes are the ones about how ridiculous kids can be and aren’t political, like the superhero one, or the Lord of the Rings one, or the one where they play with weapons.
I think Trey and Matt realize it too, because all of the recent South Park games are about those, and they actually need to sell those games.
You are a Rick and Morty guy except for south park, which is somehow even more embarrassing
Actually you need to have a very shitty sense of humor to appreciate South Park
Lmfao nobody else was brave enough to say that Al gore was a lunatic
This is an interesting example. They actually did a whole episode where they admitted they were wrong about Al Gore 15 years ago and have been discussing climate change in different ways since. In this age where no one ever admits to being wrong about anything, I thought it was refreshing and rather brave indeed.
They never should have taken that donkey-headed opinion in the first place
Oh wow they retracted one of their objectively shitty opinions a mere two decades late.
They made a retraction for their “being Trans is the same as a guy who wants to be a dolphin” episode
What about all the ones where the black character named token black reads line written by them explaining to white people why they shouldn’t feel bad about saying racial slurs?
Also pretty sure that episode was during the season where they spent the entire season calling out what the biggest problem in America was in 2016, people being too politically correct.
Boy, you really can’t get second degree can’t you? The show on n word is the more complex and intelligent take on the subject I’ve seen coming from the US. It actually explaines to white people why they should’nt use racial slurs. Read my other comment about the trans one.
No I’m not gonna read any more of your drivel Ive seen the episodes you’re either lying or a moron.
One of the N word episodes included a joke about how to get forgiveness randy had to kiss Jess Jackson’s ass because he elected himself king of black people and was just using it for personal gain and didn’t actually care about minorities.
Complex and intelligent to the 4th graders it’s targeting, which I’m hoping is who I’m talking to now.
You dont have to agree with everything they do
In this age where no one ever admits to being wrong about anything
You talk in very interesting cliches, I will simply give 0 credit to the South Park goons
“You talk in very interesting cliches, I will simply give 0 credit to the South Park goons”
This kind of intransigence seems to me to show an inability for nuance and intellectual abstraction. Personally, I think it’s this kind of attitude that has led to political cleavage and radicalization in recent years, and ultimately to the popularity of monstrous figures like Trump.
me when i see the political cleavage:
I think right-wing propaganda, like TV shows watched by children that tell the viewer climate change isn’t real, trans people are monsters and it’s okay to use homophobic slurs, is much more heavily responsible for the rise of Trump, actually
If you think SP is right-wing progaganda, you are as intellectually deep as people who think school are full of drag-queens. You really really didn’t get the point of the episode on trans and slurs.
No you’re just carrying water for bigots.
Every one of the episodes ends with a sanctimonious lecture about how people who care are just as bad as bigots and the morally correct stance is to do whatever you want and if anybody gets offended they’re an idiot.
The Trans episode was literally “being Trans is the same as somebody who wants to be black so they’re good at basketball or a guy who wants to be a dolphin”
someone pulled out the thesaurus
Representing global warming as the Manbearpig as if it’s some imaginary threat was a bold move, but also a very dumb one.
At least they acknownledged that mistake in later episodes, but they still have a lot of reactionary takes like in the episode about plant based burgers.
Also they apologized for one of their full length episodes dedicated to shitting onnpeople who care about climate change.
They bring up anything about the episode where they said the smugness of people who care about climate change is worse than the actual effects of climate change.
Where people who wanted electric vehicles were so obsessed with sniffing their own farms it caused a storm like in the day after tomorrow.
Ah yes I forgot about that episode, it was so stupid.
Now I could be wrong, but getting a an hourly wage as a restaurant worker is FAR better than relying on tips. I feel like either workers in this situation are too obsessed with tips or there’s huge context missing.
This is cunsoomer propoganda. The tipped wage allows unskilled workers to acheive the heights of middle income without getting college degrees and gives them a career path in retail, plus it makes excel spreadsheet workers and boomers pay extra.
You can make the arguement that “well actually that 20% should me baked into the price and that should go to the worker”. Which is possibly the most delusional arguement a person could possible make. How many times have companies raised prices on their goods 20% due to increasing labor costs and how many of those companies actually have given that full amount to workers? Approximately 0.
If you abolished tipped wages tommorow and told bosses to raise prices to compensate they’d turn their workers into fast food workers and pocket the extra 20%. That’s the fate of all non-tipped work.
If abolishing tipped labor for resturants was so good for workers then ask yourselves why all the fast food resturants with much higher profit margins and much leaner workforces get paid way, waaaaaay less than waiters.
The real communist politic is to keep the tip and abolish the tipped wage. If that makes restaurants more expensive than good, if a service can’t be provided without poverty wages than it shouldn’t exist.
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Countries that don’t have tipping tend to have sectoral collective bargaining, which (at least ideally) ensures a relatively good wage for all workers in a sector. If there are levels of unionisation/worker organisation that can make this a reality in the US, then go for it. However, in the absence of that Janny’s post makes a lot of useful points about the potential effects of a capital-led transition to tip-free work. It strikes me like almost no one in this thread has even read the article that we’re all notionally discussing. I admit I don’t know what the positions of the presumably numerous US restaurant workers’ unions are on these questions, but the article states that these workers were being advised by one and wanted to retain a pooled-tip structure
the specifics of the situation are both unique and dated. we aren’t really talking about a restaurant, it’s a low-rent dinner theater/mexploitation gallery that serves food. purchased, refurbished, & re-organized by celebrities with an infinite money tap. so trying to plug it into a general debate around tipping is pretty awkward at best, nevermind these workers are making above-average wages on unusual schedules (the latter of which was my by impression, the actual issue)
but let’s not let that distract us–yes, you’re correct, collective bargaining is what makes and keeps wages higher than capitalists like. but while the US doesn’t have that, we must recognize that tipping is a tool of the bourgeoisie to offload (and make optional) the compensation of labor. it also helps police labor through the divisions it causes between workers (i.e. this entire thread). the reality is that if Janny’s half-measure proposal went through, customers would stop tipping anyway, and eventually this group of workers would have the exact same imperatives and options as anybody else. and like, it’s not like tipping is illegal places its not customary, you can give a french waiter extra money if you want.
Yeah, that’s fair, I don’t have much of a grasp of the specifics of the case beyond the article. And I agree that tipping is worse than non-tipped waged work under sectoral collective bargaining and that we should have the latter as our goal as long as we remain within a capitalist framework. Indeed, from my experience, in a lot of places where tipping isn’t customary and they do have sectoral bargaining waiters take it as something of an affront to be tipped. French waiters are often somewhat offended by attempts to tip them - precisely because it is perceived as an attack on their dignity as workers.
But I still think that we should be careful in uncritically supporting the abolition of tipping outside of circumstances in which a sector is sufficiently well-organised. We’ve seen so many examples in the last few decades in which often positive reforms, which were initially demanded by workers, have been co-opted by capital to undermine conditions and wages precisely because those reforms took place in a general context where workers haven’t been well-organised enough to defend themselves against the attacks of capital. The demand for flexible working practices/hours in the 1970s and 80s is a good example of this process, where what should have been positive reforms have had extremely mixed results in that they’ve played a large role in creating conditions of casualisation and mass under-employment. In many sectors, ‘flexible working’ has meant flexibility to work sporadic hours whenever your boss decides with the knowledge that if you’re not sufficiently flexible to their demands you’ll stop being given work.
I also do think that the ‘it divides the working class’ argument is the weakest one, because what it really ends up expressing is a consoomer mindset that as communists/anarchists we should challenge rather than accept. While I’m sure that our comrades on here are arguing in good faith and have decent reasons for wanting to abolish tipping, this isn’t representative of the debate overall. Most of the discourse I’ve encountered on the topic has been on reddit and is predictably treat-brained. The framing is almost always primarily ‘tipping is too expensive!’ with questions about the conditions/rights of workers relegated to a secondary position that often feels tacked on to cover that the primary demand is ‘I want things to be cheaper even if that means workers are paid less’. You can say this is unfair, but the last 40 years of economic reform have shown us that people who identify more strongly with being a consumer than a worker will buy the cheaper commodity made by workers labouring under worse conditions and less pay 99 times out of 100
‘it divides the working class’ argument is the weakest one
thats not what anyone in this thread was talking about. competition between workers in the same joint for tips and inequities of which employees receive them is how tipping disciplines labor. nothing to do with the customers. the enmity between foh and boh staff repeatedly brought up itt is instructive
but your concern about ‘capitalist managed’ transition away from tips is a fantasy. they don’t want to get rid of them! they discipline labor and reduce its compensation, we’re living capital’s dream arrangement. actually operating businesses that dont do tips are isolated ideological/niche cases, not a front for some big project to crush labor power. this south park place’s stance is either from the owners being libertarians or some specific peculiarity of the business
Ah okay, yeah, I misunderstood. Thanks for clarifying
Instead of negotiation with the employer where you hold some actual labour power, you must subject yourself to the whims of each and every customer
spreadsheet workers and boomers
Spreadsheet workers make like $40k a year, less than $30 an hour. Many boomers are poor, working class and have been exploited their whole lives viciously (not the majority obviously, but you’re being callous). Why are you trying to pit workers against each other and destroy solidarity by saying some deserve more consideration than others? Really not digging the condescending arrogance of your tone and anti-worker solidarity position
also it’s a pain in the ass being nickle and dimed all the time.
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workers who aren’t working class
Sorry, just used the wrong terminology. I thought professional managerial class was different from working class.
“spreadsheet workers” aren’t PMC to begin with - the PMC refers to the stratum that manage flows of capital. people who write spreadsheets are paid bottom-barrel wages to track capital (in various forms) but they generally have no control over it.
Lol I didn’t know these terms were so stringent. I thought somebody just made up spreadsheet workers, which could definitely include most pmc people I know based on the description alone.
“spreadsheet workers” are working class. Working class is not a cultural affect, it’s merely being proletarian which all wage workers who don’t own the means of production or make passive income are.
If you think working class only means a guy with a hard hat or restaurant worker, I have to sadly break the news you have internalized chud propaganda. Many of these types are petty bourgies and not working class as well, as they own their own contracting business or own part of the restaurant or whatever.
“Middle class” insofar as it exists meaningfully in a Marxist sense, is a mixed prol-petty bourgie class with interests in both increasing wages and increasing housing prices, stock market prices, company profits, etc. It, again, is not a cultural affect describing people who sit down while they work.
My bad. I meant people who make a comfortable living but don’t own the means of production or make passive income. Nothing to do with chud propaganda, just a didn’t use the right term.
plus it makes excel spreadsheet workers and boomers pay extra.
source: vibes
The tipped wage allows unskilled workers
It allows conventionally attractive young white unskilled workers in dense enough areas to do that.
Ehhhh, I’ve worked back of house forever, where I currently am we get a cut of sales thst more or less equals out to the same as server’s tips, $30 would math out to a higher wage, so I’d tske that deal. Also most places back of house gets like 10 percent of the tips and it’s like $40 a week and just above minimum wage pay, so I have found it pretty hard as someone who actually makes the food to be pro tip cause higher server wages can be leveraged for higher cook wages.
When I worked delivery before the app era (think Uber eats but before it existed) I knew the people (almost exclusively women) that packed the to-go orders. At some places, ones that didn’t get a lot of to-go orders, the MOD did the packing and that was fine. At others, it was a heavily politicked position. No one wanted to be the person that did these, as it was untipped, so everyone was against each other. At Texas Roadhouse specifically, it was the newest people and the subtext of more than one overheard conversation implied that those with a smaller chest had little-to-no chance of getting “on the floor” without “being cool and hanging out with (one of) the managers outside work”. I don’t want to read overmuch into that, but it made my skin crawl. I know there was no solidarity there though, the only people that got tipped out were the host and bartender, and those were essentially bribes.
America delenda est.
At least where I am things have gotten better regarding tipping BOH and pooling tips. Last place I worked BOH got equal share in the tips and this one we get a percentage of the sales that averages out to around what servers get for tips.
How about 30 an hour plus tips
we need something more than an obscene and consumptive and spiritually dead socialism. unionization in the pursuit of better treats for middle class individuals in the first world is not getting us anywhere. the planet is burning and the future is bleak beyond belief
Tips work out to more than $30/hr huh. Wonder if they were split with back of house or not?
Edit: Also the solution to the question of individual people getting less hours is to just make it a salaried position that pays out a fixed amount per month, so that everyone on average ends up working the same amount of dinner rushes/slow shifts etc.
Tips split with BOH absolutely would not average out over $30/hour for FOH in my opinion but I am only familiar with my state’s restaurant economy, not Colorado’s. Everybody having the same (better than average in this case) wage just makes it all the more easier to collectively bargain for a better one. At the very least, the restaurant industry needs “experiments” like this. I do think it’s a net positive for workers in the long game on the condition that this level of openness to change continues. Foundational changes like this set the precedent that you can make foundational changes like this.
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Wonder if they were split with back of house
I think we all know the answer to this question.
I think some restaurants do this, I’ve never worked at one.
Most do, but BoH usually gets a pittance compared to what FoH makes.
FoH still manages to play the victim all the time though.
Lol what the fuck is that petition, there is no way 4.5k people work at Casa Bonita who would be affected by it when they don’t even have 350 staff.
That means at least some part of the signatures are not employees but outsiders trying to speak for the employees.
Which also means that they might not even represent many employees to begin with! For all we know 99% of workers don’t want to go back to tipping.
And going off the line at the bottom (although it is quite possible they are lying, management does lie often), it seems like that could potentially be the case. After all the article only identified two people who were upset.
Of 256 employees, 93 were a part of the shift and only two said they were unhappy about it, management said at the time.
The petition claims to have more than this but it also claims to have almost 5k signed on so it’s pretty unreasonable.
Also, if the staff was united on this issue, they would be passing around union election cards and not a petition.
A petition doesn’t have any real leverage to force a change in policy, whereas a union does.
Yes, the workers are wrong. This is a better way to do it. Unfortunately, many waiters really do come out ahead with tipping, especially those working at higher end restaurants, conventionally attractive by euro standards, or just really good people skills, so they argue tipping is good actually. It benefits some individually, but collectively a lot do not end up with more money this way. It’s part of the whole pull yourself up by your bootstraps ideology - yes you theoretically could do better with tipping, but how many do, compared with the many who don’t? But of course restaurantbusinessonline would prefer business owners still be paying less than minimum wage, so they find those workers whose interests for whatever reason line up with theirs.
Yes, the workers are wrong.
This is a better way to do it. Unfortunately, many waiters really do come out ahead with tipping, especially those working at higher end restaurants, conventionally attractive by euro standards, or just really good people skills, so they argue tipping is good actually. It benefits some individually, but collectively a lot do not end up with more money this way. So yes, alot of waiters start off making less money. The current system while deeply flawed allows people to have careers in waiting where they can start making pretty low wages to making above middle income money. If they work into bar tending then they can make up to 80 an hour on a good day.
Such career tracks are things you see in logistics and trades. If you want to make a career here you can, the difference being that it offers income mobility without getting a degree making it a far more egalitarian field than most since the “meritocratic” career paths since college overwhelmingly fails poor people, people of color and first generation college students. If it doesn’t fail them then they’ll likely end up underemployed, unemployed out of their field or in so much debt that they might as well be in fast food.
It’s part of the whole pull yourself up by your bootstraps ideology - yes you theoretically could do better with tipping, but how many do, compared with the many who don’t? But of course restaurantbusinessonline would prefer business owners still be paying less than minimum wage, so they find those workers whose interests for whatever reason line up with theirs.
the real solution then isn’t abolishing tipping, its abolishing the tipped wage and retaining tipping
I don’t understand how one can argue minimum wage + tipping is a better system than paying someone a living wage. There are very few and quickly decreasing places in the us where minimum wage = a living wage, and further the tipping system is often used by restaurant owners to justify paying less than minimum wage. So people’s incomes are wholly dependent upon their unique set of circumstances and attributes and how well they can milk money out of customers. It individualizes restaurant work, since suddenly you’re not making a low wage because your boss refuses to pay you, but because of your own failures in convincing your customers to give you more money.
Further this ignores two things. 1) according to the story they instituted this system because people weren’t tipping. Tipping as a system won’t work if individuals refuse to tip. 2) the crux of the issue seems more to be that they were promised full time work, but work is currently part time 3 days a week with no plans in place to open for full service, not the tipping.
I’m not against people working their way up to higher wages, nor am I against people getting payed differently based on seniority or something. But the way this story is written suggests a desire to return to a minimum wage+tipping system, which I am against. However reading the rest of the story and the workers’ petition, I’m not even sure that’s what the workers are suggesting.
It’s just a dog shit way to handle employee compensation. Your one job as an employer is to manage your employees and pay them what you think they’re “worth” in the labor marketplace. Do your fucking job.
It’s like when Walmart started phasing out cashiers and forcing you to do self checkout in those dinky little kiosks. Why pay someone to do a job if you can get the customer to do it for free?
