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This is why I believe federation should be an opt-in process rather than servers being federated by default.
Some of you may remember when Lemmy World was flooded with CSAM by other hostile instances and had to temporarily disable image uploads.
That would destroy the already limited content of the fedi. It’s like people hate content discovery for some reason.
It’s almost like federation is a stupid fucking idea that doesn’t work
It’s almost like it’s fundamentally broken and no one else wants to admit it
What do you think towns and cities are
Stupid fucking ideas.
Out of curiosity, why are you here, then?
Because I refuse to give up on speaking the truth about the matter, and how corrupt the admins are, and demonstrating the very serious flaws and problems Lemmy as a platform has (there are a lot of ways people can exploit Lemmy to be a massive douche canoe, for starters).
Because truth is valuable for its own sake even if no one will listen.
People really ought to go back to separate websites and small forums, and get away from federation in general. It doesn’t do any real good.
Thanks for sharing. Good luck 👍
Well how do you think it should work then?
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there are peoples who create instances for their families, who is going to manually federate with all these small instances?
I’m actually thinking of doing the same for myself.
Nominally, you’d need to go through some request process to request federation with other large instances. Then they’d vet your configuration before adding you.
Would be nice if they had some form of agreement where you can get accepted by one big instance, you get accepted by all. Or maybe even a standard order form and application which you can send to all major instances with the click of a button
Lemmy supports both blacklist and whitelist federation, but the only large instance that uses whitelist federation as far as I know currently is Hexbear.
I wonder how many of these are defederated from each other too.
Is it all unity among the nazi-pedos or are they fighting amongst each other?
That sounds like a Horror-Movie. Nazi-Pedos: they come for your Arian children.
Historically, Nazis weren’t actually picky about their rape victims.
It was a bad time to be a woman in a Nazi ghetto.
Real life is worse than any horror movie, unfortunately.
a lot of lemmy instances have the blocked list public
SDF is not one of them
Hypothetically it does, they just don’t block any instances, so it’s empty. They are unlikely to start outside of extreme circumstances.
Likewise for their Mastodon instance, which has been around for a long while.
@tryptaminev @witchdoctor Depends
There are all combinations out there, be it pro-pedo-Nazis, anti-pedo-Nazis, and anti-Nazi-pedos. There is no obvious link between the two.
you forgor pro-nazi pedos
If they are pro-Nazi, they are probably just Nazi
If they are pedos, they are probavly pro-pedos
Dang no anti-pedo anti-Nazis
That’s us.
You’d think, but eleven people didn’t immediately recognize that.
WHAT COULD POA.ST HAVE DONE TO GET THAT MANY DEFEDERATIONS
edit: scrolled down in the comments to find my answer
What was iddqd? My guess is gore, but not interested to check.
I was.
It is basically a bunch of low quality shitposts between 3 people.
Disappointing.
From the site:
IDDQD: Instance For /vr/, /tg/, /g/, etc.
In other words an offshoot of 4chan’s gaming-related boards (vg - Retro Gaming, tg - Traditional Gaming, g - Gaming). Unfortunately it’s 4chan, so…
/g/ is the technology board, not gaming
Agh, right, so you are.
Larger point still stands though.
IDDQD is a cheat for the original Doom, as a random fun-fact. God mode, iirc.
Dam thats an awesome instance name
Looks like it’s just following the pattern of racist shitheads cooping cool shit and being shitty about them. Like Pepe, the Punisher, and now this one’s using Doom.
Those all look horrifying, and I am curious to see if they are what they seem to be but also not
I went on the tor network once.
I saw what was being offered (probably on an FBI Honeypot site), backed out slowly without touching anything, and never went back.
I really like privacy. Those people need it. There is a difference.
This should include a user count in each so we can see just how many pedos and nazis are being punted to their own little disgusting bubbles
Most pedos are nazis and vice versa.
I don’t think there’s a reliable source for that claim, but it’s mean to two groups I don’t like and is therefore true
You got a way with words.
A little correction: while some of pedo instances are full of potential child abusers, others are based on non-offending (i.e. stop fucking children ffs) principles.
The latter are actually extremely important since they provide a gateway for otherwise potentially dangeous individuals to gain support and find professional help. Trying to instead blindly seed hatred towards people with any immutable traits is never productive, be it any mental disorder, sexuality, or otherwise, same as race and gender. In this case, it only prevents pedophiles from seeking help, making them more likely to become the child predator type and actually pose danger to kids.
Being a pedophile is not a choice. Being a Nazi or a child abuser are, and those should fuck themselves (but also reconsider what they do and what they believe in).
I’ll play the devil’s advocate here. Not supporting or opposing your point of view. Just to add to the discussion. Let’s use another extreme: People with a killing spree sexual attraction. I know, I know, it may be not the same, and it’s something that doesn’t exist (God I hope!) But for the sake of the argument, let’s assume it does.
You have this forum of people posting memes about mass killings and frustrations about not being able to kill, but that you would totally never ever kill anyone, even though the urge is there.
What would you think of such community? Would it be a safe one?
(Dear CIA, NSA, FBI agents, the above is just a completely hypothetical scenario. I am a law-abiding citizen. Always have, always will.)
I’d argue it’s way better to give them a platform to vent, so instead of going to the street and killing everyone they post memes and share therapists.
Would I be grossed out? Hell yeah, just like with pedophilia. Would I still think it’s a good thing? Absolutely.
It’s easy to go with your gut feeling and think you’re righteous to follow it. It’s always harder to think it through and do and support what’s actually right.
…there is a joke here that I could make about incel forums. I’m not going to try to because it’s in poor taste, but my point is that I’m pretty sure that does exist…
Also, what’s your actual position if that’s your devil’s advocate position? I’m a bit unsure if the implication there is intentional or not
Well, I don’t really have a position. I think pedophilia is heinous, but I understand that sexual attraction is not a choice. Would an internet forum be a good and healthy supporting tool for pedophiles making an effort to do the right thing? That’s the question I’m trying to answer.
Here’s something I found on the issue:
https://www.nomos-elibrary.de/10.5771/9783748904403-279.pdf
TL;DR it very much depends on the nature of the platform, but peer support platforms like Virtuous Pedophiles seem to be more good than bad, helping in combating child sexual abuse.
Being a pedo may not be a choice, but acting on it definitely is. And any pedo who has to go searching for pedo friendly communities is not looking for help, theyre looking to get off.
Its not a big secret to them that they have something wrong to live with. They dont need a support community to tell them how not to fuck kids. It shouldnt take that much self control for them to not fuck kids…
I’d even bet the vast majority of them already do just fine living normal lives. Just like the vast majority of “normal” adults dont go around raping each other just because they feel sexually aroused by someone.
How do you jump from “searching for pedo friendly communities” to “looking to get off”?
Imagine being a gay in a country where you’ll be in real danger if you’ll ever mention it. Would you like to have someone at least online to talk about how you feel? Probably yes. Same idea. It’s hard to hold up things that big throughout life, as just about any closeted LGBT+ person will tell you.
And then with any attraction that is actually dangerous and also illegal when acted on, like, well, pedophilia, or zoophilia, or biastophilia, or God knows what, there will always be people in doubt on whether they should go for it or not. And a community of people with the same issue telling them “we know how you feel, but CERTAINLY NO” would be way more productive than randoms on the Internet shaming them and putting them into the same bin as actual rapists.
Of course, most of them will probably never offend regardless. But people in doubt, as well as people in mental distress, are to always keep in mind. And if you ignore them, you get more child abuse, more suicides, and more pain and suffering in the world.
Maybe im wrong and they need support. Maybe im not. I certainly am in no position to say one way or another with authority. But i’d rather be wrong about keeping them shamed than be wrong about letting them feel positive about their issue.
Either way, i respectfully am done discussing the topic for now. I will give your opinions some thought though.
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Some of these im… Curious about. Presumably the names are dog whistles (when they’re not just openly stating their purpose)… But IDK the whistle so I’m curious af.
Not curious enough to get put on some list by actually checking them out though lol
try ’em out with Tor – get onto a federal list and an NSA list at the same time …
“cum.salon” sounds thrilling. I both want it to be exactly what it says it is, but also, something completely different.
Imagine getting a haircut and a handy at the same time.
Free cum extremist?!?! Sounds exhilarating
Most of these are gonna be pedo/lolicon stuff, closely followed by unmoderated hate and spam instances.
Oh those hate sites are very closely moderated. They know exactly what kind of content they want on there and anything else gets the boot.
But like…
Free cum extremist?!? Porn and radical political views in the same place? I’m intrigued!
I’m honestly most curious about wolfgirl because that just sounds like furry shit, but nobody hates furries that much, so what dog whistle am I missing???
Wolfgirl: feed is broken, or possibly just denied until you login. Don’t care enough to make an account. About page:
It’s not a war crime if you had fun doing it.
I reserve the right to bully you in any way my administration powers allow, or just normally.Eh.
FCE: broken, 50/50 chance of malware, meh.
I have no idea what lolicon is
pedophilia, with excuses.
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Hentai depicting prepubescent girls. That shit is highly illegal in the UK, Switzerland and some US states and is punished as severely as CSAM.
Canada, too, i think.
Does kiwifarms.cc even exist anymore? I remember hanging out there while the main site was under maintenance, but it seems to have gone offline since then
I hope not, it was a toxic shit hole filled with complete fucking losers.
Not sure why this is downvoted, but’s been down for longer than a week according to isitdownrightnow.
Not sure why this is downvoted
Because people hate Kiwi Farms. The reason why people hate them because KF haves freedom and it’s unkillable.
People frown upon doxxing and stalking, the law does so too.
Especially if it is just to push people into suicide.
Any sane person would hate KiwiFarms. They are the degenerates of the internet. Akin to skinheads. Anyone who identifies as one of them should be banned, IP blocked and seriously beaten if encountered in real life.
Cause kiwifarmers are degens
coordinating bullying with the intent of causing suicide is frowned upon
I wonder why gameliberty.club is the only Mastodon instance in this list that uses the old blue logo.
Because they are still on version 3
Right
Well, a few people have already pointed out the nastiest sounding one, so I’ll go with wolfgirl.bar
Pretty sure I’d want eye bleach after that.
Or of curiosity, what’s bad about that one? I’m a person who likes animal peepz, but if they’ve been defederated there’s gotta be more to it that “wolf girls the server”
Quick edit: I went there and I need an account to see stuff, which id rather not do if this server has issues.
It should be shunned and defederated so the degenerate furries hide and learn shame
I looked it up through the link somebody shared on the comments here and the admin is a neonazi.
BOOOOOO yeah defed that shit hahaha
Damn furry Nazis.
Nazi furries have been a thing for years. The regular furries don’t like them.
Good question. I was only talking about my own personal tastes. I don’t know what would be objectively worthy of defederation, because what you’re talking about is fine.
Fair! Someone else here said the admin is a neo-Nazi so fuck all that shit
Surprised Gab isn’t the record holder, it was the big deal example the fediverse advocates held up as how awesome the fediverse is at moderating itself, especially the “defed if federated with” rule instances started using to actually quarantine the users from Gab
Gab federates no more.
It’s funny/sad the stark contrast between the ones where you can’t really tell why they’re defederated from just the name vs the ones where it’s extremely obvious (and how little in-between there is)
I’ve never heard of any of these.
Awesome
Sees a bunch of “freeze speech” including “freespeechextremist”- lol the classic
Sees “freecumextremist”- oh no, the classic!
Eientei? From touhou? Wonder what’s in there. Also was expecting to see the pawoo competitor misskey.io since several japanese artists went there after Musk bought twitter.
This is a real rogues gallery of internet. And… a soccer team from Detroit. What the fuck did those guys do?
As someone from Detroit, I checked out the link for that instance, and uhhhh I wish I hadn’t.
Oh my, I live in MI and I always thought the DC fans were sort of wholesome. People taking pride in their city and building traditions. I’m not going to find out what you saw there but it bums me out.
Yeah, I did the same. I was thinking, “cool, an instance close to home… Oh God… no… No no no”
What was it? This list really piques my curiosity but I know it’s better not to look….
Just racist pedo bullshit
We shall remember the sacrifice you made so that we don’t have to 🫡
Enjoy soccer - the most heinous of social crimes
Best sport in the world. Football is more than just FIFA etc, you know? Getting children to play and have fun is good. Me and my friends playing football is also good. But yeah, just boil everything down to how corps fuck things up.
Lol why the f do I get downvoted for this.
My hatred of soccer isn’t due to FIFA. I’m just American and it’s one of our more benign hatreds.
It’s dishonest, playing “only” with your feet and then using everything but your hands, except when you can use your hands.
You sound like a heinous soccer player.
Go kick a ball somewhere.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
No sir, the best sport in the world is chess! Purely deterministic!
I’ll always have mad respect for Hockeytown/Motown/De-troit Motor City. Fuck around with them and you’ll get politefully wrecked.
