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WHAT COULD POA.ST HAVE DONE TO GET THAT MANY DEFEDERATIONS
edit: scrolled down in the comments to find my answer
This should include a user count in each so we can see just how many pedos and nazis are being punted to their own little disgusting bubbles
A little correction: while some of pedo instances are full of potential child abusers, others are based on non-offending (i.e. stop fucking children ffs) principles.
The latter are actually extremely important since they provide a gateway for otherwise potentially dangeous individuals to gain support and find professional help. Trying to instead blindly seed hatred towards people with any immutable traits is never productive, be it any mental disorder, sexuality, or otherwise, same as race and gender. In this case, it only prevents pedophiles from seeking help, making them more likely to become the child predator type and actually pose danger to kids.
Being a pedophile is not a choice. Being a Nazi or a child abuser are, and those should fuck themselves (but also reconsider what they do and what they believe in).
Being a pedo may not be a choice, but acting on it definitely is. And any pedo who has to go searching for pedo friendly communities is not looking for help, theyre looking to get off.
Its not a big secret to them that they have something wrong to live with. They dont need a support community to tell them how not to fuck kids. It shouldnt take that much self control for them to not fuck kids…
I’d even bet the vast majority of them already do just fine living normal lives. Just like the vast majority of “normal” adults dont go around raping each other just because they feel sexually aroused by someone.
How do you jump from “searching for pedo friendly communities” to “looking to get off”?
Imagine being a gay in a country where you’ll be in real danger if you’ll ever mention it. Would you like to have someone at least online to talk about how you feel? Probably yes. Same idea. It’s hard to hold up things that big throughout life, as just about any closeted LGBT+ person will tell you.
And then with any attraction that is actually dangerous and also illegal when acted on, like, well, pedophilia, or zoophilia, or biastophilia, or God knows what, there will always be people in doubt on whether they should go for it or not. And a community of people with the same issue telling them “we know how you feel, but CERTAINLY NO” would be way more productive than randoms on the Internet shaming them and putting them into the same bin as actual rapists.
Of course, most of them will probably never offend regardless. But people in doubt, as well as people in mental distress, are to always keep in mind. And if you ignore them, you get more child abuse, more suicides, and more pain and suffering in the world.
Maybe im wrong and they need support. Maybe im not. I certainly am in no position to say one way or another with authority. But i’d rather be wrong about keeping them shamed than be wrong about letting them feel positive about their issue.
Either way, i respectfully am done discussing the topic for now. I will give your opinions some thought though.
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I’ll play the devil’s advocate here. Not supporting or opposing your point of view. Just to add to the discussion. Let’s use another extreme: People with a killing spree sexual attraction. I know, I know, it may be not the same, and it’s something that doesn’t exist (God I hope!) But for the sake of the argument, let’s assume it does.
You have this forum of people posting memes about mass killings and frustrations about not being able to kill, but that you would totally never ever kill anyone, even though the urge is there.
What would you think of such community? Would it be a safe one?
(Dear CIA, NSA, FBI agents, the above is just a completely hypothetical scenario. I am a law-abiding citizen. Always have, always will.)
…there is a joke here that I could make about incel forums. I’m not going to try to because it’s in poor taste, but my point is that I’m pretty sure that does exist…
Also, what’s your actual position if that’s your devil’s advocate position? I’m a bit unsure if the implication there is intentional or not
Well, I don’t really have a position. I think pedophilia is heinous, but I understand that sexual attraction is not a choice. Would an internet forum be a good and healthy supporting tool for pedophiles making an effort to do the right thing? That’s the question I’m trying to answer.
Here’s something I found on the issue:
https://www.nomos-elibrary.de/10.5771/9783748904403-279.pdf
TL;DR it very much depends on the nature of the platform, but peer support platforms like Virtuous Pedophiles seem to be more good than bad, helping in combating child sexual abuse.
I’d argue it’s way better to give them a platform to vent, so instead of going to the street and killing everyone they post memes and share therapists.
Would I be grossed out? Hell yeah, just like with pedophilia. Would I still think it’s a good thing? Absolutely.
It’s easy to go with your gut feeling and think you’re righteous to follow it. It’s always harder to think it through and do and support what’s actually right.
Most pedos are nazis and vice versa.
I don’t think there’s a reliable source for that claim, but it’s mean to two groups I don’t like and is therefore true
You got a way with words.
Newbie question here… What’s the difference between federated and de-federated?
Defederated means that the server has been forbidden from connecting and communicating with specific other servers that have decided to defederate with it, so users from the server can’t see or interact with users and posts on the server that defederated it and vice versa. Hopefully I was clear and coincise.
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Federated means that any instance that is federated with them receives their content and can bee seen on that instance.
Defederated means they are not federated anymore, thus blocking both users and content.
It’s usually done to combat content you don’t want on your instance
Ok ok… So me using Lemmy.world is a specific instance of Lemmy, so it’s almost like its own server? And other instances (maybe lemmy.unitiedstates?) is its own federated instance likely related to just U.S. posts and it can communicate with other instances? Do de-federated instances have no other communication with instances?
Apologies if these are silly, I feel like a dum dum because everyone else seems to grasp this except me.
You pretty much got it! One nitpick, your example of Lemmy.unitedStates is not NECESSARILY a federated instance, just an instance. It may or may not be federated with other instances.
De-federated instances lose communication to/from the instances that said “im gonna de-federate from these Nazis”, so again you pretty much got it right :) not silly questions at all! It’s a new concept to many people and I promise you MANY people have and will ask these “dumb” (but not actually) questions!
Got it! Tysm for the help I’m learninnnnng
When you use Gmail to send an email to Outlook, those two servers are federated.
Defederation blocks communication between servers.
So you need to look at the number of de federations. That is basically how many other instances have blocked them and do not receive content from them to their feed. You can still go to all these instances using their respective urls and see what they are like. The reasons for blocking them vary depending on the instance. Edit: They can still be federated with other instances that don’t block them creating their own little fediverse bubbles.
I wonder why gameliberty.club is the only Mastodon instance in this list that uses the old blue logo.
Because they are still on version 3
Right
Makes me kinda wish that when defederating you could select a one word label for why. Like a fixed list with several options like pedo, spam, harassment, abandoned, etc and a default of other. Make it a bit easier with a big list like this to say, oh 1000 of these 1400 all selected “racism” when defederating so it’s probably very racist and I should also defederate. But if it’s a lot of “other” or inconsistent reasons maybe I should spend a bit of time digging.
mugicha.club is anbandoned right?
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You’re looking for this: https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/censured. Us instance admin can also endorse other instances.
What does kiwifarm mean?
Here’s the beginning of the Wikipedia article:
Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums, is a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxxing and real-life harassment.
So, it’s an assholefarm.
Although the name originated with one particular site, it looks like the name now applies to any site that serves a similar purpose. Bleah.
Oh it’s Chris Chan?
I don’t know who/what that is, sorry
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLABqEYq6H3vpCmsmyUnHnfMOeAnjBdSNm
Here is the abridged version of events
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
https://piped.video/playlist?list=PLABqEYq6H3vpCmsmyUnHnfMOeAnjBdSNm
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Abridged? That’s hours of video!
It’s the forum mostly concerned with Chris Chan and other similar figures
oh so it can be used as a weapon?
They’ve defederated from a bunch for no reason including lemmyunchained.net which is what I use. But I still see posts, why is that?
Defederation is a one way thing. I don’t recall which way it happens though.
Who are they?
A small instance where members vote on decisions regarding the instance. Haven’t really had to vote on anything though cause it’s so small and not a lot to vote on. But it’s nice it’s there for if we do need it.
Sooooo much CSAM and lolicon on there. Disgusting. One question tho, what does “map” mean in this context?
“Minor attracted person” the whitewashed version of the word pedophile.
Thank you!
What’s up with all the pedo instances? Why are they creating instances in an open web? Are they dumb or something? It sounds to me that just registering the domain names of some of those could be considered a crime, nevermind openly inviting and hosting CSAM.
It’s not a crime as long as they don’t post the actual content, I guess
I am not a lawyer, but I imagine there’s no way I could register, or get away with if I do register something like “molester daycare” or “pedo toothbrush for kids”… Oh wait, apparently the last one is actually a thing. Well then I guess it’s not, but man that’s an unfortunate brand name
Honeypots and also to discourage people from engaging to corral people into big tech where surveillance is #1
[email protected] is one cool dude. Their fingerprints are all over Lemmy in an obviously much needed manner. I’m glad I joined their instance.
Agreed! I’m really appreciative of folks putting this kind of work into Lemmy.
What does “altfedi” mean? And what content is illegal in Germany and Czechia?
Maybe nazi bullshit? Alt as in alt-right and nazi bullshit being illegal in Germany 🤷♂️
As an instance owner, thank you. Going to use this a lot
If the FBI are on here, they’d better work harder
Maybe its their instances and those are honeypots
Apparently it is rather easy to gather personal data as an instance owner, so it really makes you wonder.
That’s actually pretty concerning, however my mantra is that anything with bad optics just stays in my head. Nobody can gather what I won’t say!
Maybe its their instances and those are just the way they are
Imagine calling this cancel culture
half are pedo servers 💀
And the rest are racist.
Took a look through some of the ones with tame names out of morbid curiosity; not that interesting tbh. Just hope I’m not on a watchlist now.
Last time I checked reading a racist comment makes you a racist
You just infected us all by turning racism into “I just lost the game.”
You just made me lose the game mate
Woah, it’s been years since the last time I lost the game! Thanks, I guess?
Instead you have to shout “I AM RACIST!”
I’m the biggest racist of them all 🚗🚗🚗🚘🚘🚘🏎🏎🏎 I race all cars
ah shit
Ill trade you a hedonist for a racist? I’m trying to collect the whole set but I have so many double ups of the commons.
In France, just using the word race to talk about humans is considered racist.
Edit: for people who don’t believe that, he’s an article about that and its consequences when George Floyd-like events happen in France. https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230705-france-colorblind-nahel-immigration-talk-about-race-laicite-secularism
Well shit, ig I’m a far right reactionary now
Now that’s not entirely fair. Some are both.
What was iddqd? My guess is gore, but not interested to check.
From the site:
IDDQD: Instance For /vr/, /tg/, /g/, etc.
In other words an offshoot of 4chan’s gaming-related boards (vg - Retro Gaming, tg - Traditional Gaming, g - Gaming). Unfortunately it’s 4chan, so…
IDDQD is a cheat for the original Doom, as a random fun-fact. God mode, iirc.
/g/ is the technology board, not gaming
Agh, right, so you are.
Larger point still stands though.
I was.
It is basically a bunch of low quality shitposts between 3 people.
Disappointing.
Dam thats an awesome instance name
Looks like it’s just following the pattern of racist shitheads cooping cool shit and being shitty about them. Like Pepe, the Punisher, and now this one’s using Doom.
Does kiwifarms.cc even exist anymore? I remember hanging out there while the main site was under maintenance, but it seems to have gone offline since then
Not sure why this is downvoted, but’s been down for longer than a week according to isitdownrightnow.
Not sure why this is downvoted
Because people hate Kiwi Farms. The reason why people hate them because KF haves freedom and it’s unkillable.
People frown upon doxxing and stalking, the law does so too.
Especially if it is just to push people into suicide.
Any sane person would hate KiwiFarms. They are the degenerates of the internet. Akin to skinheads. Anyone who identifies as one of them should be banned, IP blocked and seriously beaten if encountered in real life.
Cause kiwifarmers are degens
coordinating bullying with the intent of causing suicide is frowned upon
I hope not, it was a toxic shit hole filled with complete fucking losers.
Not aware of any of these, which is nice, but
iddqdcaught my eye since that’s a Doom reference! Overall I always thought the Doom community was pretty positive (at least going by Doomworld forums, and various Doom streamers, as I remember them). I thought surely it must be some misunderstanding! Oh maybe they didn’t reply quickly enough to take down some drive-by hate speech, but that was it.Anyway, holy shit, do not go to that lemmy instance. It’s rotten to the core. I’m going to go take a shower and play through Episode 1 to cleanse myself now.
iddqdwas a well known cheat code from the era, not exactly obscure if not contemporary.It’s pretty standard 4chan-NEET fare, for anyone who is wondering. Racism, homophobia, xenophobia, trad wives, and quasi-pro-nazi shit.
Not worth your time to check out. Small community of sad nerds.
4chan wasn’t like that before 2015. Well, except for the racism part. It was leftish/libertarian.
It’s also the easiest “social media” platform to game. You don’t have to make up a history for each user. You don’t have to get upvoted. You don’t even really need to make sense.
And to think, the Q shit started on these sites.
Hell way back in the day, 4chan was one of my go-to websites, before the joking and trolling on /b/ really wasn’t joking and trolling any more.
Back before people who weren’t joking started to join in
Right. The really early oughts, when trolling was still a real thing, were so radically different that it’s hard to explain to people these days
The Doom fandom will always have the dark shadow of the Columbine High School deaths in its history. So shitty people using Doom to be shitty people isn’t that far from the mark. Nothing will ever change that, sorry.
Yeah…
It’s doomed, don’t worry about it.
It’s funny/sad the stark contrast between the ones where you can’t really tell why they’re defederated from just the name vs the ones where it’s extremely obvious (and how little in-between there is)
TIL there’s a LOT of instances that lemmy world etc are not federated with… For good reason
https://gui.fediseer.com/ is sooo cool. ❤️db0
What’s with Pawoo.net? Figured it was something but it’s all Japanese.
I think it’s an NSFW instance of questionable legality (i.e. underage material that’s prohibited in most countries except Japan).
I thought drawn child pornography was legal in more places but apparently its only about 8 counties. Bafflingly this isn’t one of the things the EU has a united front on. Funnily there are a lot more countries that ban all pornography than there are countries that allow some porn but not fictional child porn.
It’s drawings, you can say that, no need to muddle the water.
I honestly don’t know WHAT it is, nor do I care. All I heard when I learned about that site is that it supposedly is a major CP host, so I just avoided it like the plague. Plus it’s all in Japanese anyways.
Truth Social is mastodon? 😂
So is Gab, but they got defederated by pretty much the entire network so fast that they just gave up and disabled federation on their own end
TIL that clown couldn’t even build a unique message board.
Btw, Truth Social is one of donors of the frontend Soapbox, which powers some Pleroma instances.
So Trump doesn’t just use FOSS, he even spends time and money to improve it? What a dick.
