Self-driving road killer machines.
UGV killer drones
It’s the technological paradise!
We already have those. They are called humans.
I just want high speed rail…
There’s always Europe
You forgot “cable television, but over the internet and no one has all the channels.”
So, Internet cable TV
“…and it all still has ads.”
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Calling AirBnB “a hotel chain” is an insult to hotels.
Hotels don’t require you to clean somebody else’s house while you are on vacation like a maid, and then charging you a cleaning fee for missing a spot. There isn’t even much of a price difference nowadays, so staying at a hotel wins every time.
I have two younger kids. We can very close to renting a hotel on our last in-state vacation. It would have actually been somewhat cheaper. The reason we still went for the AirBnB was because our kids are asleep by like 7:30 and we didn’t want to be ‘trapped’ in the hotel room and didn’t want to rent a second. AirBnB made it significantly easier to find a house to rent.
That said, the number of AirBnBs in that area of the state has really grown. I can’t imagine that’s doing the people who live there any favors.
Hey, its not fake money for criminals! It’s barely legal casino, sheesh!
If it was just BTC then there is an argument to make, although there have been many criminal actions involving the manipulation of BTC in the past and also the use of BTC for criminal actions but that’s a dumb argument because BTC makes it easier to track funds to their source, the problem arrives when you talk about cryptocurrencies as a whole and especially NFT Crypto. Then, yeah, fake money for criminals 100%. Even the IBM backed crypto was shady AF.
Man, just wait until this guy hears a out the US dollar!
Good ol fiat currency
Plagirized reddit
Money for criminals*
Until everybody ruined it. When people started investing instead of spending, we were fucked.
Intellectual property is a figment of our imaginations. So I’m voting for the magical copyright violator box.
You are now a moderator of r/sino
Doorbell camera surveillance network
all money is fake tho?
only relatively recently, since 1971
Nah money wasn’t real before either.
So how is money based on a gold standard more real than money that isn’t? Gold also has only has value because people believe in it.
Yesterday I went to a shop and they let me take away some stuff after I handed over some colourful bits of paper. Seems real enough to me.
by that logic crypto is real too. since you can buy things with it
All money derives its value from pople believing in it. That goes for any currency, including gold.
trueee
Feel free to give me any of your fake money.
robux is also fake money, but i dont want to give you my robux.
Let me know when your Robux can buy a gallon of milk.
Seems like one of these things is not like the other to me…
Oh boy we’ve engaged nerd mode, my favorite!
Robux technically are just as legitimate as dollars it’s just we arbitrarily do not accept robux for milk because it’s new (aka not “legal tender”). If you want legal money, you’ll have to specify lmao
That seems to be the original point of this chain, am I wrong?
Edit: technically legitimate not meaning backed but as legitimate as any other made up tradable token, aka crypto. It might be more correct for me to say robux are technically as legitimate as crypto, but I’m not entirely sure right now about the exact phrasing I want to use.
Fine, feel free to give me both your illegitimate dollars and robux.
If they’re not legitimate, you won’t be needing them for anything… unless this is a meaning of ‘legitimate’ I was previously unaware of.
I added an edit that covers the tradable token part.
Their point is they don’t want to give you anything because, per the nerdy ass phrasing, those fake tokens are also tradable for things of minor interest, which is more interesting to have than not have. So why give away the tokens for free?
Their original point is just that money is made up (aka that it only has agreed upon socially determined value)
It’s as made up as morals and language and all sorts of other things that we only all agree on has meaning to us as a society.
no money has inherit value, but we give it value. just like crypto.
really what is the actual difference? just because crypto is not backed by a corrupt government?
The American corrupt government insures your money through the FDIC, so if the bank collapses, you get to keep your money. Also, corrupt credit card companies do not force you to pay for transactions from a stolen credit card and you don’t lose money because of it.
What guarantees like those do crypto currencies have?
There are multiple official and unofficial ways to trade robux for real life currency.
So yes, Robux can basically buy you a gallon of milk.
This is quite a shitty way of portraying these technologies.
Uber/Grab might be banned by some countries, but I’m sure as hell I’ll never take a traditional taxi. They haven’t earned my trust, while Uber and such allow reviewing the drivers, and the driver wouldn’t think of scamming you. (Generally speaking.)
For longer stays I wouldn’t book a hotel room because it lacks basic facilities like microwave, cutleries, washing machine, etc.
Blockchain itself is a great thing, it could be definitely useful for something. Cryptocurrencies, however, are indeed evil. Toy money for criminals.
AI tools are useful for many things. Plagiarism is just one (ab)usecase. There are tons of other things that you can achieve with it while not committing plagiarism.
You’re right in all except crypto. It’s not just criminals. It’s privacy. I prefer paying cash outside to remain anonymous. Why should i give my data for free to a company just because i needed toilet-paper. And CC is the cash for the internet. Just not as widely accepted as cash is (in most countries)
It’s not even really private unless you’re using Monero similar (which you can’t buy on most exchanges for that very reason). Most CC blockchains are entirely public ledgers that are very thoroughly mapped out by government agencies and by private companies looking to monetize the data.
Yeah i know. But i know stuff is as private as it could be. If need be, i could even go to an atm-kinda-thingie here and trade cash for some CC. Totally anonymous. But everything is better (in regard of privacy) than using a credit/debit/whatever-card.
Of course it’s - privacy considering - stupid to buy CC on some major (American even) platform with paypal or my other fiat-cards.
I like privacy too, but currently way too much harm is being made by the fact that people can keep their income private. Think about all the corruption using offshore accounts. It’s not even cryptocurrency, just some other solutions. In a world where everyone’s income is public, politicians won’t be able to explain their financial gains. And you wouldn’t have to worry about whether you’re underpaid at work compared to your colleagues who do the same job with the same efficiency. And if you receive your income from a legitimate source, you earn that money, then it’s nothing to be ashamed of. And nobody gives a damn crap if you use it to buy your toilet paper. On the other hand, if you’re buying a HIMARS system on the black market, and then pass it onto the terrorists, you would very well deserve to be caught by the authorities and then rot in jail for decades.
Of course, this is a very extreme scenario. I’m not saying the ideal world is when everyone’s finances are flat out published and advertised like “hey, look, I’m rich and ready to get robbed”, but this is definitely an area where total privacy hasn’t worked out well.
Where i live, the salary is usually one’s top3 secrets. But it’s not about that. It’s about disliking cards. I buy TP with a card, the company has free data about my buying-habits, while I get nothing. After a while they know exactly what i buy, how often i do and which size my johnny is because of the condoms i buy and whatnot. Maybe it’s being an IT-pro that makes me critical of every digital data i leave behind…
And beside of that, the crime argument is always the same á la “u got something to hide?” yes, i do. And it doesn’t have to be lovedolls or weapons. Criminals were there before CC and will be there when cash and CCs are eradicated. There will always be ways.
It’s just a me e dude.
Totally read this in the Mario voice.
Trust me bro, Capitalism is necessary for innovation, just trust me bro
Yeah you’re right let’s follow the great innovations of the USSR, North Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba
Those aren’t the only alternatives, lmao. Do you think humans stop innovating if they share tools and democratize production, rather than having a bunch of unaccountable mini-dictators?
Do you think the Capitalists are the ones who innovate, or is it the Engineers and Scientists that do?
Show the alternatives then.
And yeah the capitalists are the ones that drive the innovation since they’re the ones that allocate the capital where it would generate the most return, which sometimes means innovation.
You’re literally on one of the alternatives. FOSS is a rejection of the profit motive, and individual ownership of Capital. It is, quite literally, an anticapitalist statement. Are you under the impression you’re on Reddit?
Money doesn’t need to come from Capitalists, and again, Capitalists aren’t doing the innovating. That’s like saying the bread baker that fed the Engineer is doing the innovating, because without the bread baker, the Engineer couldn’t innovate. Of course humanity is interlinked, no one man is an island, but that doesn’t mean labor performed by one person is actually labor performed by another.
I’ll make it simple for you, and give you 2 choices.
Factory 1: Capitalist owner, non-owner workers. The only voice workers have is to either get a new job, or unionize.
Factory 2: Workers are the owners, and thus production is democratized. One of the workers is elected as a manager, and may be stripped of power by the rest of the workers at any time.
Which one is better?
To circle back: what you listed is a very, very narrow vision of what Socialism can mean. Socialism is Worker Ownership of the Means of Production, and can be just as varied as Capitalist organization. Are you going to say that Sweden is the same as Pinochet’s Chile, just because both were/are Capitalist? Absurd.
FOSS is not necessarily a rejection of the profit motive, it just says that there shouldn’t be restrictions to redistribute work to the masses. Just look at Linux itself. The project is maintained largely by contributions from (big tech)[https://lwn.net/Articles/915435/] even though it’s under the most restrictive copyleft license.
Also, I’d rather the factory that has the incentive to reduce prices to compete with others instead of the one that has all the incentive to increase costs (wages).
Besides, you can absolutely create any co-op you want in a capitalists system. If you think it’s just as innovative then just go and start one instead of screeching at people that capitalism bad.
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FOSS is undeniably a rejection of the profit motive. People may use something developed as FOSS to make a profit, but FOSS itself is rejecting profit. Linux being used by for-profit companies does not mean it’s suddenly privately owned, a la Capitalism.
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You didn’t answer the question, you dodged it entirely. If this is your way of massaging that you think antidemocratic measures to ensure workers have no say other than to unionize or leave is a good system, then it’s a very odd dodge. You can have normal wages and normal sale prices with worker ownership.
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Being able to start a co-op within a market based system does not mean co-ops are Capitalist. They are firm rejections of Capitalism. Additionally, if we can agree that democratic control is better than authoritarian, centralized control of Production a la Capitalism, then it makes sense to advocate for a more democratic and horizontal structure.
Am I not allowed to make my case against Capitalism when clearly relevant? Shutting me down by claiming I’m screeching at others, when you yourself attacked my comment first, is ironic to say the least.
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Are you really that dumb? The point of open source software is that anyone can contribute and use. So of course some tech companies are going to contribute to the Linux kernel, why? Because it’s more innovative than the alternatives. The best innovation happens when you let go of the profit motive and just let engineers tinker.
Buddy look around. We are in a capitalist paradise and what is happening? Oh right, costs are rising! Why are you pretending that capitalism means that companies keep the costs low, when it literally incentivizes monopolies to form, and thus drives UP costs??
Capitalism is the reason for institutional racism (in the US), for the degregation of the environment, for poverty in first world countries, for so many wars and violent coups, for literal slavery. If you think that billionaires controlling society will create innovation, it might, but for the a cost of exploitation and destruction that 100% isn’t worth it.
It’s crazy to me that people like you genuinly believe that a worker led society is somehow bad. You do know that you are a worker right?
So you’re saying engineers and scientists aren’t capitalists. That’s pretty dumb of them, then again engineers and scientists aren’t terribly keen on history.
Engineers and Scientists are workers, not Capitalists. Capitalists are owners.
You’re quite literally on the explicitly leftist, anti-capitalist alternative to Reddit. Instead of a centralized, closed, Capitalist system filled with ads, you’re on a federated, decentralized, openly shared platform that deliberately rejected the profit motive and Capitalistic development for its own innovation.
Did it legitimately never occur to you that FOSS is a leftist structure? Right now, you’re using an example of anticapitalist innovation.
Also the commentor above probably doesn’t realize that engineers and scientists have all throughout history had a pretty negative take on capital. Academics are generally left leaning
Absolutely. Engineers aren’t the ones that see any of the benefit of the IP they create unless they have the money, connections, resources, and Capital to also manufacture and sell said products. The ones who create what people use every day get to see the IP they designed get resold countless times with no kickback. Same with Scientists, many go uncredited for critical research, especially women, historically.
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Love em. Peak Capitalist innovation! By shipping a 99% complete product for a low price, you can gain a large user base. Then, you make it addictive as fuck and add pseudo-gambling, to take advantage of people likely to routinely make small purchases. Then, all you need to do is spend a fraction of dev time on new skins or stickers, and make obscene profit!
What, you don’t like living in the modern orphan crushing machine, designed to commodify literally every second of your existence? Are you some kind of radical? Spooky!
How about toilet cleaning robots stealing our jobs?
Thaey tuhk meh damn JEB!
- User-stocked adictive digital social circle.
- Digital news media sources using Pavlovian click-response headlines.
- Human subconscious-targetting product promotion systems.
- Automated individual tracking and digital-model building systems.
Not many people commenting the fake money for criminals lol.
I thought it was pretty cool when I used it to buy drugs.
probably because it doesn’t describe a real thing, much like the plagiarism machine.
Sounds like BitCoin to me.
what makes it any less real than any other money?
not backed by anything except hype
not able to use it anywhere except in like, 5 niche ATM locations
can’t even mine it for value and have to go by proof-of-stake for any useful amount of money
can make a random shitcoin to pull the rug under cryptobros and NFT shills
only legitimate use case was to buy drugs via The Silk Road
Yeah, cryptocurrency is a fuckin waste of the tech lmao. You could theoretically prevent identity theft with blockchain tech and it could also theoretically replace SSNs, but instead we used it for a fake currency and jpegs of bored apes.
EDIT: Should also mention that you literally cannot trade crypto in some states of the US because those states require crypto institutions to have physical assets that equal their digital assets, which is actually pretty smart. Because people can’t buy shit with their 0.2 BitCoins and 50k DogeCoins, this means that those institutions don’t operate or allow trading from these states.
not backed by anything except hype
what backs turquoise?
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oof, found out you were wrong too late, eh?
can make a random shitcoin to pull the rug under cryptobros and NFT shills
that has nothing to do with bitcoin.
this is a terrible list of attributes to use to establish whether any currency is “fake money”
And you have a terrible list of reasons all separated out into single comments for some reason :)
you keep conflating cryptocurrency and blockchain and bitcoin. are we talking about bitcoin here?
Any cryptocurrency because it works off the blockchain. You have the transactions committed on a wallet that exists on the blockchain, which is how you get the public transactions in the first place.
what backs turquoise?
Literally any fiat currency, or you could even barter with it if somebody wanted it. It has tangible value because it has a physical demand.
have you tried mining any other money? you can’t mine dollars at all, and proof of stake is a great way of explaining the compound interest system.
Actually, if you work a job, you get paid in money. Crazy, I know - you don’t have to speculate and hype on a fake currency :)
that has nothing to do with bitcoin.
But we’re talking about cryptocurrency, no? Unless you’re saying BitCoin is not a crypto?
In practice it’s happening multiple times a day. All it takes for one is to snoop the private key to get full control over a wallet.
True, and there’s also that 51% majority control thing too. Nothing can get rid of social engineering either, but perhaps there’s a chance to develop better security for blockchain-based tech.
there are a lot of vendors that do or have in the past accepted bitcoin. where can you spend turquoise? or confederate dollars?
Physically or online? Because you can spend crypto at like Microsoft online, for example, but could you go to a bar or a restaurant and pay with crypto?
And you have a terrible list of reasons all separated out into single comments for some reason :)
to keep ideas separate. it helps prevent a gish gallop and walls of text.
Physically or online
you’re moving teh goalposts.
Any cryptocurrency because it works off the blockchain. You have the transactions committed on a wallet that exists on the blockchain, which is how you get the public transactions in the first place.
you don’t seem to understand that most cryptos don’t work on the bitcoin blockchain. bitcoin has its own blockchain.
Unless you’re saying BitCoin is not a crypto?
your other issues with crypto have nothing to do with bitcoin.
True, and there’s also that 51% majority…
you should respond to the person who actually left this comment. i’m not a part of that conversation.
Actually, if you work a job, you get paid in money. Crazy, I know - you don’t have to speculate and hype on a fake currency :)
this is distinct from mining, the process by which new bitcoins are actually put into circulation. you can’t MAKE dollars: the cia are the only people allowed to do that.
But we’re talking about cryptocurrency, no?
the comment i responded to said bitcoin.
Literally any fiat currency, or you could even barter with it if somebody wanted it. It has tangible value because it has a physical demand.
you don’t seem to know this, so i’m going to explain it to you: turquoise was the currency of indigenous people in the northeast of the so-called united states. it’s not money now. what backed turquoise? nothing. the point was its ubiquity.
EDIT: Should also mention that you literally cannot trade crypto in some states of the US because those states require crypto institutions to have physical assets that equal their digital assets, which is actually pretty smart. Because people can’t buy shit with their 0.2 BitCoins and 50k DogeCoins, this means that those institutions don’t operate or allow trading from these states.
that doesn’t change whether bitcoin is real. it only changes whether crypto exchanges can operate legally in arbitrary jurisdictions.
that doesn’t change whether bitcoin is real. it only changes whether crypto exchanges can operate legally in arbitrary jurisdictions.
Reason I brought that fact up is because those states are saying that crypto needs to backed by something physical instead of an intangible hype and speculation factor.
What makes BitCoin worth $42k? Or Ethereum worth $2.2k? Like, what is physically driving the worth of these cryptocurrencies? Some fiat currencies moved away from precious metals, sure, but they’re back by at least the economies of each country. From what I can tell and have seen, crypto is backed by… hype and speculation. There’s no tangible thing that can back crypto, hence why it’s a fake currency because it’s more or less arbitrarily at a price point just because it is.
From what I can tell and have seen, crypto is backed by… hype and speculation.
bitcoin is a network protocol. cryptographic tokens are issued within it. what backs it is the security of the cryptographic system and the combined hashing power of the network. if you think it doesn’t have value, that’s ok: value is subjective. some people do think it’s valuable to be able to control these cryptographic tokens. and that’s ok, too: value is subjective.
Electricity has physical properties. It is energy. Mining Bitcoin requires the use of energy. To the miner, the value of Bitcoin is equal to the cost of acquiring the electricity used to mine it.
Bitcoin is a fungible store of value used to convert KWh into commodities and services.
What makes BitCoin worth $42k?
money existed before dollars. the dollar value of any asset is not determinate of whether that asset is money.
those states aren’t authorities on what money is
Oh, come on. That is a really simplistic, and unfortunately, inaccurate view of value.
I ask: what makes anything valuable? Let me pose some examples:
- Suppose I have a gold bar. That’s clearly valuable and it’s value is very “real”, isn’t it? Gold can be used in many industrial applications and can be made into jewellery. But why is it specifically worth what it is? Why not infinity or zero? Because (1) gold is scarce, and (2) that’s what people are willing to pay for it.
- Now suppose instead I have a mint condition first-edition base set Charizard. That’s also valuable, and it’s value is also “real”, isn’t it? But the way it derives its value is a bit more abstract than the gold bar. It doesn’t do anything and the card isn’t even legal to be played in the actual Pokemon card game. But yet, it has value. Why? Because the card is (1) scarce, and (2) people are willing to pay money to have it, even though it doesn’t do anything.
- Let’s get a bit more abstract. Suppose I hold the copyright to a popular book series. The copyright is also valuable, isn’t it? But also at the same time, “copyright” is not a physical thing; it is a creation of law and is a fictitious thing that we have all agreed is worth something. Now, if we all suddenly agree that copyright is meaningless, then my copyright instantly becomes worthless. Worth even less than the Charizard, because the Charizard at least has some nominal value as firewood or an art piece! Yet, copyright is still valuable, because we, as a society, agree that it is worth something, and this is also backed by the power of the State.
- If you get even more abstract than that, think about shares of a company that is not only unprofitable but is completely underwater in debt. Is that company still valuable? Well, Uber is an example of a company that fits that description. If you think about it logically, that company should have a value of zero; it’s not making anyone of its owners money and it owes more money than it has. It’s backed by a “something”, but that “something” is a pile of debt that outweighs its assets. Whereas a copyright has the backing of the State, shares in a company don’t. But then, why is Uber worth something? Again, because (1) there is only one Uber, and (2) people are willing to pay money for it thinking that its value will increase in the future.
- The final step of abstraction is a digital currency. I’ll use Bitcoin here, because Ethereum does actually have “real” usage (you can use it as “gas” to perform computations on the Ethereum Virtual Machine). Bitcoin is backed by diddly-squat and has only nominal usage. But why it is valuable? The same reasons as everything else on this list—because (1) it’s scarce, and (2) people are willing to pay money for it with the expectation it might increase in value in the future.
Whatever reasoning you use, whatever rebuttal you have for my argument, unless you’re actively cherry-picking and straining your logic just so you can not be wrong in this instance, you’ll find that any reasonable argument for why Bitcoin has no value will also apply to argue what I think you’ll see is an uncomfortably large number of “real” things are worthless as well.
There’s no tangible thing that can back crypto
lots of currencies have never had a physical backing.
only legitimate use case was to buy drugs via The Silk Road
there are a lot of vendors that do or have in the past accepted bitcoin. where can you spend turquoise? or confederate dollars?
You could theoretically prevent identity theft with blockchain tech
In practice it’s happening multiple times a day. All it takes for one is to snoop the private key to get full control over a wallet.
can’t even mine it for value and have to go by proof-of-stake for any useful amount of money
have you tried mining any other money? you can’t mine dollars at all, and proof of stake is a great way of explaining the compound interest system.
not able to use it anywhere except in like, 5 niche ATM locations
where do you use turquoise?
Yeah, cryptocurrency is a fuckin waste of the tech lmao. You could theoretically prevent identity theft with blockchain tech and it could also theoretically replace SSNs, but instead we used for a fake currency and jpegs of bored apes.
you keep conflating cryptocurrency and blockchain and bitcoin. are we talking about bitcoin here?
No government backing, and I can’t use it anywhere. The only way for me to use Cryptocurrency as money in 99.9% of the places I shop is to exchange said crypto for real money.
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money predates governments, and there are vendors who will sell goods for bitcoin.
Money doesn’t predate governments, governments have been around since the earliest tribes, and bartering was the most common way to exchange goods until large governments started issuing currency.
And no, there aren’t. I can’t walk into any store anywhere I have been and buy goods with bitcoin, nor can I use bitcoin on any of the online shops I have ever been to.
bartering was the most common way to exchange goods
you clearly haven’t been keeping up with anthropology in the last 20 years. i recommend reading Debt: The First 5,000 Years. i also suggest pirating it if you can: the author is dead. he won’t mind.
the impression i’m getting is that bitcoin isn’t money to you, but bitcoin is money to some people, so it’s real money.
I can’t walk into any store anywhere I have been and buy goods with bitcoin, nor can I use bitcoin on any of the online shops I have ever been to.
you haven’t been to every store on earth, nor visited every online vendor.
Yes, it’s because this whole post is meant as a joke or a jest. It’s meant to be taken as funny.
How did you understand it?
the exploitative “gig economy” capitalists aren’t a joke to me.
They are jokes tho
Only 73 votes though. That’s not a good enough sample size. OP didn’t try hard enough
