2024 is the Year of Linux on the Desktop, at least for my boyfriend. He’s running Windows 7 right now, so I’ll be switching him to Ubuntu in a few days. Ubuntu was chosen because Proton is officially supported in Ubuntu.
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Aha, just popping in here to suggest taking a look at PopOS!
Proton works extremely well on it, its compatible out of the box with everything Debian based (this includes Ubuntu) so it has a huge selection of free software, has great documentation for the PopOS! specific stuff and for all the debian/ubuntu stuff you can nearly always use older wikis on the internet if you run into a snag, and its got a custom DE that I personally find better than KDE and Ubuntu’s latest rendition if GNOME.
Also, while Ubuntu is going hard into Snaps, which I hate, PopOS! is going into flatpaks, which are less bad than snaps, but still stupid imo.
If you care, its fairly easy to disable and/or remove flatpaks from PopOS. It doesnt come with any preloaded afaik, so all you have to do is go into the PopShop (the app store) settings and just remove the flatpak source.
Ive run Proton on Steam via debian sources on PopOS! for years, works fine.
Oh right! I am fairly sure that PopOS! nowadays just comes by default with graphics drivers pre-installed and preset to automatically update with the rest of your software when you run sudo apt update. All you have to do is pick the Nvidia ISO if youve got Nvidia, or the standard one if youve got AMD.
A lot of packages come only on flatpak these days. So limiting yourself to system packages only is not really a good idea. And other than disk space usage, I don’t really see any issues with flatpak. It’s a great solution especially for smaller projects, that don’t have resources to create packages for every format.
Really? The only exception I have ever had to make to using deb sources for every kind of software I have ever needed is Bottles.
What other software is only flatpak available?
Anyway, I think flatpaks are just reinventing .exes. Yep lets do the equivalent of installing DirectX 35 times all over again. For older hardware and those with less access to internet, flatpaks are not great.
Further, because flatpaks do not have their dependencies updated as frequently, this paradigm is less secure than having all your dependencies updated whenever you run apt update.
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The trend is that the app developers officially support and push updates for the flatpak. So you always get the latest source directly from the devs. This makes packaging organic, instead of deb/arch/rpm/etc packagers trying to catch up (those packages are often waaay out of date, even on arch occasionally)
Well if this trend becomes the norm then that is great, but in my experience the opposite is true, dependencies get updated first, then things built off of them get updated later.
Copium. 2024 goes to 🪟1️⃣1️⃣
Again.
Too many people hate it. For good reason. People will go to win 10 instead.
Still a win
A win for whom? MS can better spy you on win10 and sell you ads. Maybe a win for the user because win10 is more secure then an outdated win7. But for a pure gamer who doesn’t want the MS BS, Linux slowly becomes a real good option. Gaming mostly just works and everything else you need is probably in the browser anyway.
Pure gamer would choose a stable system that always works, has the latest working drivers and gives more fps.
Gaming just works
It doesn’t. Get out of your bubble, because spreading this false lie is bad for both beginners and veterans who have to deal with seeing this shit.
Correction I can only tell about my personal experience and it mostly just works. Yes there are exceptions. But most games through steam or epic just work. I rarely have any issues with them. If you’re not much into competitive stuff, you’ll have s great time.
It might not fuck over people as bad as their abandoning XP did, but its still really fucking shitty that they abandon OS’s like this.
Simply because it means people who have games they used to be able to play on old machines, now cant get those games anymore, cause the service itself wont run on it on those machines.
They should at least fork off a special legacy version that lets people download their old games on their original platforms.
but they dont want to do that, not because of supporting it, because they dont want people to remember how sleek, slim, and fast steam used to be.
Did you know that Steam didn’t even run on DOS?
How is this shitty? Windows 7 isn’t even supported by Microsoft anymore.
If you were looking to preserve games for playing on old computers, you chose the wrong platform.
because there are games that people fucking own that don’t run on newer platforms, that they should still be allowed to fucking play and not have defacto taken away from them?
How is that hard to understand?
I swear to god the absolute short sightedness of gamers. If this prevented you from playing one of your games you’d be here spewing shit and fire and brimstone over it.
How is it hard to understand for you that with Steam, you chose the wrong platform to play old games?
How hard is it to understand, for YOU, that steam has been around since the XP era, and that maybe people bought those games when they were new?
Obviously pretty fucking hard, since you cant even seem to comprehend it.
Once again, you chose the wrong platform with Steam. Other stores have been around at that time too.
I suppose I will have to repeat this for you a couple more times.
Slick blaming of the customers there for not being psychic and being able to see the future.
Anything to defend your precious corpo, huh
No need to be a psychic if you can parse basic terms of service. At least I hope for your sake you’re capable of doing that.
Anything to defend your precious corpo, huh
And that’s how we know you’re out of points to make. Must suck if that’s the only comeback you have against people who aren’t defending anyone.
It’s. Not. Your. Game.
You’re buying a license which is subject to conditions decided upon by the developer, publisher, platform, and others. If you want to own a copy of the game, don’t buy it on Steam.
Downvote all you want, reality isn’t changing to match your feelings. Stop supporting DRM or quit bitching while simultaneously strengthening the system you are choosing to ignore.
“If buying isn’t owning, than piracy isn’t stealing.”
If you purchase something digitally - you do not own it. Especially not on steam. You are purchasing the rights to play it while it’s supported.
The best you can do is buy DRM free and download it and save it in your own storage if you want to be able to play your game when you are 85.
Expecting Valve to support an operating system that the creator of the OS doesn’t even support isn’t tenable. How much longer should Valve be forced to support Windows XP by that logic?
Valve sold games on steam that only run on XP via its digital download service
It should support XP with a legacy downloader for as long as people want to play their XP games on XP.
This shouldnt even be a controversial opinion, Y’all are whats wrong with modern gaming and why its become such a festering cesspit of microtransactions and theft.
Don’t LEASE digital games on a DRM platform then be surprised when it doesn’t work forever on outdated software that isn’t even supported by the original creator.
No one owns these games and pretending you do is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
The ferocity at which people white knight companies that dont give a single fuck about them is staggering.
I can’t believe a Lemmy user is trying to explain why we still need companies to support Windows 7 of all things.
Why not put your energy towards something with more preservation value, like getting these games to run on free operating systems like Linux?
Is Proton not an option for any of these games you need Windows 7 for?
You fed the troll way too much.
How about you start supporting stores that actually do that?
Chances are you don’t even know about them. And you call us short-sighted.
Like others already mentioned, I would suggest Linux Mint as well. It’s better Ubuntu than Ubuntu and similarity to Windows UI would make his transition much better.
Seconded. Switched my wife to Mint two years ago, and she never cared about going back to Windows. Not that she cares about Mint, either; the point of contention was the transition, which was much smoother than she was afraid of.
Proton works on any Linux distro, it comes with steam. As long as you can install steam, you should be golden.
Can recommend Arch as a gaming platform OS. Works well with Steam. It’s what the Steam Deck is built on. 👍
If I’m not mistaken it’s not that Steam will just completely cease to function on that date, Just they won’t be fixing any bugs related to Windows7/8 from that point on.
Ah yes. Well that’s fine, I would just release a community edition, have the client go open source and leave it to the community lol
my boyfriend. He’s running Windows 7
You saint.
That man must be packing a monster dong
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To be fair, steam reports less than 1% of users using windows 7. It’s not as big as we think.
Wow that’s shit, I know a lot of people who would still be quite happy to continue using Windows 7
It’s ancient, unsupported, and closed source. Nobody can create or distribute security updates. People would have been happy to keep using horses and buggies if there’d been an automatic horse shit shoveller.
People are lazy as fuck. Provided it plays their games they don’t give a shit about features updates, patches, bug fixes etc.
They probably have no ideal what version of windows is even installed on their machine.
That’s true, but their apathy or ignorance is a threat to any networked device. There’s definitely an argument for “my device,y software, my rules”, and technically you can run windows 7 as long as you want, but Valve shouldn’t be perpetually expected to support deprecated software either. In their case specifically, if would be hard to ensure their anti-cheating software isn’t being circumvented at the operating system level, meaning the experience of everyone on any OS would be lowered by continuing to support a 14 year old version of Windows.
The difference is, cars are better than horses. Windows 8, 10 and 11 are all worse than 7.
what a terrible take. honestly this community is like a parody of itself sometimes
How so? 7 is the last good version of Windows. It’s not surprising some people want to keep using it. It does have security issues but at least there are no ads in the Start menu and it doesn’t shill for OneDrive on startup.
So that is true it doesn’t do those bad things, but what makes it actually good and not just not bad?
Nothing, it’s still Windows. But at least it doesn’t actively get in the user’s way.
Fair enough. I wish we could fork it.
Edit: by we I mean someone who knows what they’re doing or even what should be done. Which isn’t me.
If he wants something similar to windows, get Linux mint, it’s the best parts of Debian/Ubuntu but made modern. If you can do it on Ubuntu, you can do it in mint (like online guides cuz mint is based on ubuntu if you couldn’t tell).
Or KDE Neon. Basically Kubuntu LTS, but up to date KDE Plasma and no snaps.
I started with KDE neon and loved it. For me personally, the weird partial rolling release thing was really nice. I loved seeing YT people talk about the new KDE release and all of its bells and whistles, and being able to instantly play with it on release.
To be fair, he could simply pay 5 bucks for a key and switch to Windows 10 or 11. Linux should be something people choose to try firsthand for a while before moving on.
Linux mint tends to work quite well on steam with proton after initially setting everything up
Check out Lime disto. It’s a friendlier interface and all the cool perks of Ubuntu. It’s built on the basic same architecture. I have had my Steam and many other games work. If it wasn’t for Epic I would go full Linux.
I’m sure you’re probably aware, but the Heroic Game Launcher has compatibility built in to install and launch both Gog and Epic games. Makes it almost as easy as steam to set up and get going. I can’t speak to any multiplayer/FPS games with anti-cheat shit though, probably SOL there
I tried it. It does have the launcher. However the Anti Cheat software of the game no one can get around. I’m even in their discord and the explicitly say it doesn’t work or load in. You can get into the game menu and the minute you instance in the game boots you.
The meme that will never ever go away.
