I figure it’s even money between Gruesome Newsom and Chilldawg

  • adultswim_antifa [he/him]
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    392 years ago

    It’s going to be Biden vs Trump because Biden doesn’t stand a chance against anyone but Trump and Trump doesn’t stand a chance against anyone but Biden.

  • Acute_Engles [he/him, any]
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    142 years ago

    You mean like, steps down off the stage and falls, breaking every single bone in his bag of skin? Probably just do a weekend at bernies and pretend he’s fine

  • Kaplya [none/use name]
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    Why would Biden ever step down?

    Biden has gone further than any previous American president could ever have imagined.

    The war in Ukraine has completely severed any chance of Europe forming a close alliance with Russia and China in the upcoming showdown between US and China. That’s a huge win for the neocons.

    Europe is now spending huge proportion of their GDP to militarize, and that also means austerity and cutting welfare and social programs. That’s a huge win for the American military industrial complex and the private equity firms looking to cannibalize European public utilities and companies.

    The US went from being a net oil importer to net exporter after the war started. American natural gas is now replacing Russian gas. That’s a huge win for the American fossil fuel industry.

    Remember when Trump bragged about how well the stock market was doing under his presidency? Well, S&P500 is now 50% (!!) higher than the highest point during Trump’s era. The rich people are not just getting free money, they are SWIMMING in it. That’s a huge win for the American donor class.

    Biden has achieved everything that Trump had promised the donor class but failed to deliver.

    Why would the donor class ever want to replace Biden? Just because his polling is bad? You cannot be this naive and think that democracy is well and alive in the country? I can assure you that if they want to favor a certain outcome, it is going to happen.

    I’m going to guess that over the next 11 months, there will be something such repulsive coming from the GOP platform that half of the “progressives” who swore never to vote for Biden, will end up defending Biden because “Trump is threatening to destroy our democracy”. The other half will keep the facade while secretly voting for Biden in the ballot box, because they are so afraid of what’s going to happen if Trump wins again.

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      The US went from being a net oil importer to net exporter after the war started.

      pretty sure this already happened during the Obama administration

      • Kaplya [none/use name]
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        102 years ago

        The US has always been a net importer until last year:

        But it’s true that the trend has been going for a while, just that the Ukraine war accelerated and pushed it across the boundary.

        • emizeko [they/them]OP
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          82 years ago

          apparently I was remembering the stat for refined petroleum

          In May 2011, the country became a net exporter of refined petroleum products.

    • duderium [he/him]
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      152 years ago

      All of that is true, but Biden’s approval is currently lower than Trump’s and Carter’s at the same points in their presidencies.

      • Kaplya [none/use name]
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        122 years ago

        That’s why I said:

        Biden has gone further than any previous American president could ever have imagined.

        Biden is surely breaking new grounds everywhere. I think we’re going to find out, if it hasn’t been made clear over the years, that the opinion of the 95% doesn’t matter at all.

      • Great_Leader_Is_Dead [none/use name]
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        162 years ago

        Honestly does that really matter? Like every president is unpopular in the social media age. Once the election is actually on the horizon the media will blitz us with Biden good, Orange man bad propaganda and the normies will fall in line.

        • duderium [he/him]
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          82 years ago

          Biden is also behind Trump in every swing state. It’s still mostly a coin toss as to who will win in 2024 but it’s not looking great for Biden.

          • Great_Leader_Is_Dead [none/use name]
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            52 years ago

            I don’t pay much heed to polls this far out. I think certain demos are pissed at Biden and saying this won’t vote for him now, but as the election grows closer the media will report on more and more crazy shit Trump is saying and people will go back to vootin bluu noo mooter whoo.

            Plus the demos he’s polling terribly with tend to be the ones who don’t show at the ballot box much, lib wine will still turn out for him.

            • duderium [he/him]
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              52 years ago

              But also, I think things are just going to keep getting worse for Biden for the rest of his presidency. Can you only polish a turd so much?

              • Great_Leader_Is_Dead [none/use name]
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                22 years ago

                As much as it pains me to agree with the Libs, I think there are some signs that the economy is gradually getting better. Not by much but maybe enough that things will be tolerable. The housing market is still fucked and probably will be for a while, but it has been for a while and people seem just resigned to it. Inflation and gas prices are coming down, there’s been some job and wage growth. Heck even with housing there has been some more building so we actually may see some minor improvement.

                This plus the threat of Trump maybe enough for Biden to clinch it.

                • duderium [he/him]
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                  92 years ago

                  The only evidence I’ve seen that “the economy” is improving is that the stock market is up and TVs are cheap. Literally everything else is the same or worse.

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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    202 years ago

    Nobody because I don’t think he’ll step down. His ego is too big and he’s been doing his job well for the people who really pull the strings. The bigger question is if he’ll keep Kamala around or have her replaced by another token.

  • Philosoraptor [he/him, comrade/them]
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    352 years ago

    I love that in all the chatter I’ve heard about this volcel-kamala isn’t even mentioned as a possibility. It’s like they’re pretending she doesn’t exist. Very funny for the VP.

    • Kaplya [none/use name]
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      92 years ago

      That means everything is going according to plan. She will come out and offer herself as the compromise candidate when the time is ripe.

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        Idk, obvious Kamala sucks I don’t like her for a lot of actual reasons. But she also doesn’t really do anything and isn’t really in the public eye very often. If she’s polling even worse than Dick fucking Cheney (by a huge margin), I have to think there’s got to be a lot of racism and sexism going on in that polling result.

  • footfaults [none/use name]
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    82 years ago

    This isn’t really my idea, but Will mentioned it on the latest Chapo.

    Do Democrats actually like winning? Being in charge sucks. It’s a lot easier for the party to have unity when they’re not in power. Not to mention all the fundraising when liberals stop going to Brunch.

    I think they’ll let Biden run and lose.

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      12 years ago

      Yes. I think they do actually want to win. At least most of them do. I think the problem is the DNC has a more fundamental contradiction of interests (not contradiction in the Marxist sense) than the GOP does. The GOP can serve the economic interests of the elite and then fuck over everyone else so long as they make the white people feel special. That’s the deal that’s always been in place, let the bourgeoisie have everything they want so long as the white folks are given a special place via free land / treats / feelings of superiority.

      The Democrats don’t have that. The donors they represent are fundamentally at odds with large amounts of their supporters. There is no way to serve the interests of the workers, young people, and POC that support them and also the bourgeoisie. So the DNC is forced to do things they know will piss off their electorate because they can’t cross the donors. And it’s not just that they want the money so they can pocket it, but also because money wins elections. If I want to get really speculative, I would say the reason the left gets so much pressure to vote is because deep down, the libs know what’s going on. They know if we don’t just go along with getting screwed over the Democratic Party would collapse.

    • frogbellyratbone_ [e/em/eir, any]
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      42 years ago

      x. the established DNC types like their jobs. it’s really that simple i think.

      someone like bernie who potentially could’ve gotten in there to fire consultants, staffers, etc. and hire people that actually give a fuck is a threat.

      as far as winning/losing elections, they prefer to win. without a doubt. more campaign/party donations from pacs and corporations, more lobbyist bribes. but everything always goes back to x. above.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      22 years ago

      Democrats have been in a position for a long time where they tend to make more money in fundraising when they’re losing or on the backfoot. It doesn’t matter if they win, they still get book deals and a big pile of money if they’re in power or not. They have no need to win. Whereas with Republicans, all of them are vying to become this year’s oil billionaire darling

    • Zodiark [he/him]
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      52 years ago

      Apparently the Trillbilly podcast also touched on this too. I don’t like paying for podcasts but I am tempted to with them.