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Reading further, walking is only counted at a 0.3 : 1 ratio of distance, for no conceivable reason. So you can run for ~12 minutes or walk for ~1 hr, it seems.
But why should my bonus be tied to something that is not at all related to my work? Should I get a pay cut if I eat a Dorito? Am I worthy enough of a pittance, CEO? Or should I be jumping through literal hoops?
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The issue isn’t whether it’s a healthy idea. The issue is that the employer is overstepping personal and professional boundaries.
Is it overstepping? If the bonus criteria aren’t laid out in the compensation package at the time of hiring, it’s petty much whatever they want, provided they can find a suitable way to accommodate employees that would be at a disadvantage due to protected class.
I wonder how they are ensuring the collected data is accurate.
Edit: If it’s just a fitness app, then I’m crushing it on the daily just existing, and I am not a fit man. Hell, I’d be getting a 130% bonus.
Absolutely it is. Anything that is not related to my job performance is none of my employer’s business and should be off the table when it comes to determining compensation or bonuses.
The overall health of a workforce affects health insurance rates and every employee. The more unhealthy a workforce is, the more money comes out of your check for insurance. This is why wellness programs exist at companies.
Just because it’s good for the company does not mean it’s not overstepping boundaries.
The boss believes their employees’ fitness is a direct correlation to the success of the company, which makes it related to their job performance.
I agree this is a strange belief to be held by an employer. The business gets to define the relevance, especially if they are gonna base so much of your compensation off of it.
I’m sure there are lots of ways bosses might want their employees to change in their personal lives because it might benefit the company. But that’s the part that’s overstepping.
What if you got a bonus for taking an external training? Still no? This seems like a weirdly hard line to draw fo a bonus
Training in a job related field is actually related to job performance.
But it’s not really about the bonus. It’s about the boundaries. I see no problem with setting hard boundaries between personal life and work life.
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SJWs
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Yet, the SJWs of America come out of the wood work to berate an idea of trying to move a little bit more and use “disabilities” as a shield to trying to do something that is healthy for
I haven’t said anything about disabilities.
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I assumed you were addressing me and my point since you posted your comment as a direct response to me and my comment. That is usually how internet comments work.
Thank you for clarifying.
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Oh, grow up.
First, disabled people exist.
Second, the article makes it clear walking only counts for 30% credit.
Third, if you are not doing it, starting can be very difficult.
Fourth, the top bonus requires 62 miles per month.
Last, why should there be a bonus based on something unrelated to your work?
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‘Prevents you from moving’
Buddy I can walk just fine but if you ask my hypermobile and asthmatic ass to run, I’m just not going to. I can’t. My legs and lungs are fucked up. Guess I don’t get the extra bonus, oh well. Sucks.
If you’re heavy, running can be a real challenge. ‘Promoting fitness’ isn’t done through a braindead scheme like this. Not for people who need guidance and help to get into a body shape they can be happy and healthy in.
You know who will get the extra bonus? Healthy people who are able to run, and who have no health conditions to begin with.
You are really, really underestimating the range of disabilities people can have while they can still function at their jobs. And how this braindead scheme excludes people for things outside of their control.
And also, ‘not be a slob’. Am I a slob because I can’t just run a mile? You take my legs that bend like a silly straw and my lungs that collapse in on themselves and feel like they’re filled with cat litter that is on fire, and see if you run a mile.
Jfc calling us slobs. Go fuck yourself.
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- Lmao NO. Disabled people work. We have this whole law about it and everything in the United States where employers have to provide reasonable accommodations and allow you time off work without compromising your job status.
I’m disabled. I work full time. I could not fulfill these exercise requirements, but I can hold down a job. That is not a rare category of human being.
We should have universal healthcare, not this nonsense from a private employer.
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If you have a condition that prevents you from moving/ elevated heart rate, chances are you not working and already on disability.
Ah, no. Plenty of us work. Desk jobs exist. I sit at one now. I have been told by my doctor I should not jog or run due to the impact to my knees.
I understand the article says this but how do you police it. Put your fitness tracker to “Outdoor run” and call it day. Unless there are stricter measurements around heart rate and minimum speeds I don’t fully buy this.
So you don’t know how they police it, but 1 sentence later you see how easy it is to police.
So start. If a company is going to incentivize you to not be a slob maybe just go do it. Life isn’t fair. Stop making excuses and be a better version of yourself.
Ah, the old “life isn’t fair” copout. Why should we not do our best to be fair?
Idk, maybe they want their employees to not die of heart failure at 40 and see them grow to be old and successful.
Ah, yes, because there is no daylight between the binary options of heart failure at 40 and growing old.
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Clearly. I said likely, not “all”. Likely assumes situations in which that is not true which in this case is the exact thing you said. Thank you for reiterating.
You still have it wrong. You can’t just show up and easily get disability benefits. And that statement still reinforces the lie that the disabled are lazy, when the disabled want to work. And that is only people that meet the definition of disabled. There are surely more people with physical limitations that don’t otherwise qualify as “disabled”.
No where do they talk about this.
They specifically say walking only gets 1:0.3 credit. How can you assume that is unpoliced when it is a specific policy? The logical assumption is that is IS policed since they took the time to give lesser credit to walking.
Life isn’t fair. It’s not a cop out. Exceptions can and need to be made.
And they have no exceptions. That is the point.
So let’s just prevent all people in society from healthy activities because it discriminates. Let’s drag all of society down to the same playing field for fairness. Solid reasoning. You know what’s easier reasoning to reconcile. Exceptions to the rule.
What a straw man. No one is preventing people from healthy activities.
If you’re not doing it getting a giant bonus would be a good motivator to go out
One mile a day is really really easy to do. Jogging or walking. If you can’t do that then quite honestly you’re not in any sort of good shape.
62 miles a month is slightly over a mile a day. If you’re not walking at least a mile a day you are doing your body a massive disservice
Why not if this is both easy to do and a benefit for your own health?
If you’re not doing it getting a giant bonus would be a good motivator to go out
A better motivator would be giving credit for improvements rather than requiring the same of all regardless of age, fitness level, and disability. The only thing this would motivate me to do is find another job.
One mile a day is really really easy to do. Jogging or walking.
Walking only counts for 0.3 of jogging, so it is 3.33 miles of walking
My doctor has specifically advised against jogging due to the impact on my knees.
62 miles a month is slightly over a mile a day.
Math isn’t your strong suit, huh? That is over 2 miles a day, Or 6.67 miles if you walk.
Why not if this is both easy to do and a benefit for your own health?
You miss the point. It may be easy for you, but it is not easy for everyone.
Employers controlling their workers “time off” is old fashioned dystopia.
It’s entirely voluntarily (hence bonus), and has huge benefits for your self. I fail to see what the problem is.
My company does the same thing, and so do many others.
Bonuses should not be expected, or they’re not bonuses. I get that. But making them available only to those able to do some physical test is discrimination.
Your company is abusing it’s employees. Imagine if it was something other than exercise how abusive it would be.
With how a lot of jobs have a lot of their pay based on nearly mandatory bonuses, this is basing pay on controlling you outside of work.
Your company is abusing it’s employees. Imagine if it was something other than exercise how abusive it would be.
Except it’s not, because it’s exclusively about health. It’s a discount health insurance companies offer to companies, and the company uses that money to encourage employees to be healthier.
Next up they will be forcing you to a plant based diet or maybe straight to veganism. Slippery slope towards forced sterilization or some other Radical procedure that saves them money but is not necessary.
I didnt see what was the appeal for companies until I realized they were US based companies and had to provide health insurance for their employees
Your insurance benefit offered after health milestones isn’t 30-130% of your salary though
Running 30km (18.6 miles) in a month earns a bonus equivalent to 30% of their monthly salary. Moving up to 40km (24.8 miles) pushes that to 40%. Hitting 50km (31 miles) earns 100%, and the top tier of 100km (62 miles) is 130%
100km for 130%, when 50km will already get you 100%? Not worth it in the least.
Depending on how they track it, exploiting that shouldn’t be too hard.
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Because it is a transparent attempt to pay less bonuses and I am betting exploits some condition in the insurance and/or tax code to get a better deal for the corporation.
How about companies just pay the end of the year bonus and not make a big deal about it?
Or it’s because insurance companies offer discounts for companies that offer these programs. The employer uses some (or all) of that money to encourage employees to be healthier which A. makes them healthier. B. saves the insurance company/insurance money. C. helps boost productivity. and D. makes everyone overall happier.
Read the article, it’s no exploit, it’s China.
Lawful =/= non-exploitative
I’m not attempting to excuse the behavior by any means (no matter how much it sounds otherwise).
Just explaining that this is behavior we can and should expect from an authoritarian state with no regard for human rights. Hopefully that clarifies things a little bit.
Yes, and reading the parent I see they were speaking of exploiting laws, not people specifically. Thanks for clarifying, hope you have a nice day
Thank you! I wish you the same
But you’re a fuckwit…
Not all of us can run. Simple as that.
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Not all of these programs explicitly require running with no alternatives for people who can’t run.
Most that I’ve seen are usually just based on “exercise minutes” depending on how your device tracks those. The Apple watch is really lenient and I get 50% of my daily goal just walking to work.
Start by walking?
What about people on wheelchairs, numbnuts?
I’m sure they offer alternatives. Not everything is so black and white.
Our companies in particular is just 30 exercise minutes so you can do whatever you want to get your heart rate up.
Sex. I want my company to pay me to sex. I feel like I could totally get behind that. Sexually.
A 2-mile run per day is about 20-30 minutes of cardio. You can count sex, but how are you going to get the other 19-29 minutes?
Literally one of my co workers does that.
I hope ‘going to therapy to treat your depression because you can’t force yourself to go out and exercise’ is offered as an alternative too.
If the company is operating in good faith, they will be making “reasonable accommodations” for disabled workers.
The top tier of this program requires about 30 minutes of running per day. I’m sure we can find a similarly intensive workout to meet the needs and capabilities of disabled workers, numbnuts.
If the company is operating in good faith,
If they’re going on with this idea, they’re definitely not operating in good faith.
Nothing in the article even suggests they are operating in bad faith.
The company is basically asking them to voluntarily extend their work day by 15 to 30 minutes, but instead of offering time-and-a-half they would be entitled to as “overtime”, they will double, or more than double their wages.
That roughly 30 minute period of activity is worth about 16 times their hourly pay.
Do you think they would be included in this bonus program?
As reported by Guangzhou Daily, Lin Zhiyong, the chairman of a company that makes paper for various devices, told his workers that their year-end bonuses had been canceled. Instead, the money will be distributed across each coming month, and how much employees receive will depend on how far they run.
He literally canceled their bonuses and said “lol go run for it dipshit”
Imagine getting your bonus cancelled and told to go do more work to get it back.
Fuck this guy and fuck Chinese labour standards.
You don’t have to run. My lazy ass clears 6k steps each day just living life. That’s counts as walking, which is worth 1/3rd steps but still makes it a mile a day. I would be getting 100% bonus with literally no life change. Sign me up! Meanwhile, I never bonused working retail because people stealing carts crushed my EBITA every quarter.
Are you a fucking idiot?
Go work in a fucking Chinese paper factory all day for not enough money to live, and then go have part of your salary taken away and be told to do more work.
Maybe after having a second of fucking realisation you won’t come back and spout such dumbarse nonsense.
You obviously are a fucking idiot because a bonus isn’t your salary shithead. Also this is the most trivial nonsense I’ve ever heard of to bonus 100%. I live in America where I’ve never once gotten 100% of my goddammit bonus fuckface. Being told that you get all of it for wearing a pedometer is literal childs play to me. Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit baby agression and jerk off or something instead.
I fucking wish I worked in a Chinese paper factory and got bonuses! Like seriously, get a goddammit clue. If that sounds like hard work to you, then you’ve literally never seen one, and you must have baby soft keyboard hands.
You’re an absolute moron.
I too wish you get to work in a Chinese factory.
I’m surprised you can even spell moron. I bet the reason you think it’s so bad is because you’re a piece of shit racist. Get over yourself.
Looks much nicer than my workplace. I also work with Chinese manufacturers and know how many holidays they get off too, so unlike you, I’m not actually ignorant to your average Chinese persons working environment and make believe its some hellscape. Our middle class is collapsing while theirs has grown substantially. Their government does some crazy shit but we’re no exception.
Meanwhile, assholes at the top get bonuses if the company is profitable. Seeing a bit of a discrepancy here
Honestly, giving bonuses for employees having healthy habits seems fine. It’s not like anyone is entitled to bonuses, they’re not “withholding” bonuses or anything, they’re just giving extra incentives to live well.
Fuck employees with cancer or other medical conditions!
Fuck that noise. I workout 5 days per week, either doing martial arts or lifting. I can’t run because of a knee that got routered out from an infection. So, despite the fact that I’m far healthier than the slobs I work with, I get no bonus? Yeah, fuck that.
It doesn’t have to be specifically running, you could theoretically have a list of healthy activities/diet/etc and people can earn up to x% bonus by doing them, let people mix and match activities as their health/body allows. If someone can’t do any of the activities due to health reasons exceptions could be made.
you could theoretically have a list of healthy activities/diet/etc and people can earn up to x% bonus by doing them, let people mix and match activities as their health/body allows. I
Or, you know, just pay your employees enough and give them enough time off and watch their fucking health skyrocket. This is not being done for the benefit of the employees.
Also, if you have to create exceptions for disabled people in your scheme, you are by definition excluding and discriminating against them.
The article states specifically running with specific distance milestones.
Yeah, I was just talking about the idea of providing incentives for healthy activities as a general concept.
It’s also noted that other activities count toward the targets: running is calculated as 1:1; mountain climbing is calculated as 1:0.6; and walking is calculated as 1:0.3. Workers record their exercises and distances using fitness apps.
From the article. Although if being healthy is their goal then they better also provide free healthcare and yearly check up.
China, so healthcare is baked in.
I’m disabled, if I worked at that company they would absolutely be withholding something from me, as well as plain old discriminating against me for my disability.
Fuck this hyper-capitalist ableist bullshit, and fuck cheering it on.China is “hyper-capitalist”? 🤔
Yes.
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It’s almost like you just recently learned three out of the eight words you used for this sentence, and they were taught to you incorrectly, lmao.
I would love for them to give a description of communism and how that applies to this in there context.
My favourite part about communism is checks notes the bonus on my wage
The amount of bonus a worker gets is based on the number of miles they complete each month.
I understand what they’re trying to do, but this is just not equitable. You’d have to figure out how to handle this for people who cannot run (such as wheelchair users). This greatly favours those with more free time and less obligations (such as people with no kids). It favours those already in shape and those who have fewer health issues.
This will favour those who already have it better off, which is the opposite of equity.
Good idea in theory, but I don’t like the model where it’s applied based on output.
What is the good part in theory? I can’t see how what/how much exercise, if a person chooses/is able to do it at all, is relevant to their job? Especially in a company that makes paper??
If employers want their employees to be happier and healthier they need to pay them better (for their work, not for whatever unrelated and out of hours activity they decide to “reward”) and give them more time off, anything else is profit seeking bullshit.
Yeah good point. I should have said “interesting idea in theory.” I fully agree with you
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If I could swim it, count me in (even miles, I try to swim about 1.5 miles every time I hit the gym, I could bump that to 2)
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Look, I go to the gym 5 days a week and do 30-40 min on an exercise bike and 20-30 min on a stair climber each time I go.
But I cannot fucking run, period. I’ve got god awful joints that cannot take that kind of impact and I’ve dislocated a knee cap twice. Not everyone can run, not all workouts work for all people. This policy is nonsense.
Running is mind numbing. I find myself just spending the entire time getting angry I can’t find the one song or podcast I want to listen to.
Stephen Hawking is not pleased with your post.
Requiring things outside work is unpaid overtime.
“Sorry boss, I can’t come to work today, I haven’t met my monthly miles, gotta run 🏃♂️🏃♂️”
So… An ADA suit for discrimination waiting to happen then… 🙄🤦♀️
Chinese company. No idea what disability discrimination laws they have in place, if any.
Fair (and I’d actually just come back to edit that I realise this isn’t in the US), but the point still stands - this is blatant discrimination, no matter where it’s happening…
For sure. I’d be first in line to complain if I worked there… assuming my mobility impairment didn’t get in the way of that 😅
Lol, same… 😬
ADA only requires “reasonable accommodation”. A couple alternatives to running were presented, indicating the company is willing to cooperate with the specific needs of workers. That the article fails to mention any specific accommodations for handicapped workers does not mean that such accommodations won’t be made.
A blanket policy covering all disabled employees is not ADA compliant. Accommodations are supposed to be made on a case-by-case basis, based on the specific needs of the specific employee. Without knowing the capabilities and needs of a specific employee, we cannot determine what would constitute a reasonable accommodation.
Yes, strictly applying this policy to disabled employees would be discriminatory, but there is precisely zero evidence suggesting that it will be applied that way.
Some guy pushes himself too much, dies from a heart attack and they cancel the initiative
touches nose not it!
My health is nearly none of my employer’s business. I will not be telling them when or how I exercise.
This is a gross invasion of privacy.
There isn’t much difference between a “bonus” and a penalty, given enough notice.
I kind of like the Japanese culture of the workplace being in charge of the health of their workers. This is why they all exercise for the first 30 min of their shift. If they are overweight, they find a solution.
Is it invasive? Kind of, yeah. Pretty much. Idk. Maybe the bonus shouldn’t ride on the fitness, but I think the workplaces should be more involved in the health of their employees.
Japan has a fraction of the obesity as the USA.(BMI >/=30, J%:3.8M/3.2F to USA%:43.0M/41.9F)
Also they have 1/3rd the % of population with disabilities at 4.3% vs the USA with 13%.
I’m not saying the brief forced workout routine by their employers has results, by no means, what I am getting at is that shit wouldn’t fly in America and any attempt would end in failure due to our cultural relationship with food.
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Company is in China, pretty sure they provide no benefits whatever.
Healthcare should not be tied to employment
100% it shouldn’t but that’s not the point here, and doesn’t actually change anything about the topic at hand.
The unfortunate reality is that our healthcare is tied to our employment. This also means the side effects of that unfortunate reality are also real.
Not that I’m agreeing with the way things are I’m simply explaining that the way things are means that such argument doesn’t discount the fax or serve as any sort of counter.
Okay, but this story is about China.
Imagine single payer healthcare not tied to employment.
I don’t have to imagine!
Imagine Medicare?
For everyone.
Ah, Australian Medicare.
Last thing he needs is lard-ass coworkers driving up taxes
Single payer would be cheaper than the current system. Other countries pay half of what the US does per capita to insure everyone and they have better outcomes because people get care when they need it.
Idiots like you are why we can’t fix our system because you blame other people instead of the for profit corporations that lobby to keep any kind of progress from happening so they can continue sucking money out of the system.
Idiots like them suddenly have a reason to get involved in your life for all the reasons above. Suddenly you are in discussions regarding tobacco and other drugs costing everyone money. You don’t exercise? That means you are less of a citizen. This is very much why this would not be a good federal program.
Who says I’m against single payer healthcare? I was just continuing the joke about lard-ass coworkers. No matter what the healthcare system is a healthier population results in less crowded hospitals and better access to those who need it.
To be fair it is kind of their business just in a very indirect and invasive way.
Your health affects your performance, your health affects their health insurance, disability, and life insurance premiums.
This means that as far as the faceless entity of a business goes your health is its concern. Now whether we agree to just accept that or not as a whole other story.
On a personal level I wouldn’t mind my employer being more involved in my health, not invasively or privacy violating like the above. Providing access to nutritionists or trainers, supplementing a gym membership under the agreement that I actually use it. Making exercise equipment and group workout sessions available. Things like that.
“firm in China”. Pretty sure China doesn’t deal with “health insurance, disability, and life insurance premiums.”
One of my previous jobs did something similar to this only without reward and public shaming as the punishment. We were all cube workers forced to do army standard tests and training after work.
that is genuine hell, my god
You don’t even need to be disabled to be unable to run or do heavy exercises. There are several conditions that can make running painful or impossible, like arthritis, athrosis, hernias, respiratory problems, etc.
Tying the bonuses to how fit you are is straight up evil. I highly doubt the boss will pay for medical expenses of people that push themselves too far to get the most money, who, ironically, might effectively end up losing that extra money.
Workers record their exercises and distances using fitness apps.
Clearly nobody will find a way to cheat that, no siree!
Walking is one of the fitness activities people that are not disabled can walk.
This area has been pretty well explored by Pokemon Go players already. On Android there’s an app called defit that has multiple options for adding fake exercise data to your Google fit account which is where Pokemon Go, and typically these insurance apps, pull their info from.
Unless the company is going to allow me to run in company time or pay me my base pay plus overtime on top of the bonus that’s a hard fuck no from me.
Company wants my time, they better damn well pay for it.
ETA. Thinking about it more, nah this whole running for your bonus is bullshit and I wouldn’t do it even if they paid me overtime since running/exercising unless your job is directly related to it, running has nothing to do with work performance which the bonus is based on.
I would add: And bonuses are a BS excuse to overwork employees and making them work overtime for free. Having to go above and beyond simply to earn the end of year bonus caused me huge amounts of stress, anxiety, depression, and even affected my physical health.
You know how I solved that problem? By quitting and moving to a better company.
I run anyway, may as well get paid for it
I mean me too, but not for money
Now you’d technically be a professional runner.
I mean being active anyway is a good thing for you And if the bonus is 30% of your monthly salary each month to do a bare minimum of movement that sounds like easy money
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I mean, that kind of makes sense. “Maintain battle readyness” and all that. I would expect everyone in the military, law enforcement, or emergency response should be paid also.
Firefighter isn’t going to carry someone down a flight of stairs if they have that “Body By Dunkin’”
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In theory.
In practice, it has to be approved by your supervisor and is only for times when it won’t interfere with progress on actual work.
So all they’ve gotta do is give you a lot of work to do…or just say no…and you don’t get that anymore.
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Ok, so as a former Navy guy I have to ask, does golf count as “exercise” in the Air Force?
No because it’s assumed you’ll use the golfcart. Spinning in chairs counts if you do it long enough to work up a sweat.
Yeah I wouldn’t even want to play video games if my bonus was contingent on it. Way to suck the joy out of something positive, corpos
So just don’t take the bonus, then? Easy enough. Bonuses aren’t part of your normal wages. They’re given, not owed, not unless you do whatever they say you have to in order to earn them. So if you don’t feel like doing whatever it is that your company demands in order to receive the bonus, then just don’t do it and don’t get the money.
You should probably run miles each month anyway so maybe you won’t die in your sixties from heart disease.
"Oh hey, thanks to you and your team for working all that overtime these past few months to make sure the project was done on-time and turning this potential loss of a client around.
However, we noticed that you and your team didn’t run enough during these months so we’re going to have to dock your bonus for the year but thanks for all of your hard work for the company."
But yeah, just don’t take the bonus.
Yeah, what’s wrong with you and your stupid wheelchair? If you want a bonus, you should get up out of that wheelchair and start running on your stumps!
Wait, is your argument here that people in wheelchairs are incapable of exercising? That’s pretty ableist, dude.
I’m pretty sure they’re incapable of running. You know, the thing they give bonuses for?
Swimming is better for your joints
