Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.
In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump.
Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.
Well well well. Looks like we finally got a poll that wasn’t conducted by people calling a boomer’s landline at 2pm.
We got a poll that centrists won’t make up stories about in order to dismiss it in vaguely ageist terms.
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There is a distinct possibility the Supreme Court prevents Trump from running with this Colorado case in which case Biden is going to get his butt handed to him by Haley.
This just sucks.
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I meant when this goes to the National Supreme Court.
biden the man who helped take voting rights away, did not defend women’s rights or anyone’s bodily autonomy (why would this catholic defend abortion rights anyways), first day as president went back on campaign promises and fired cannabis users, promised national police reform and did nothing look at Georgia’s cop city, minimum wage was a campaign promise that went nowhere
and as soon as you bring this up you get labeled as a trump lover and vilified
this country is totally fucked and is disuniting more by the day just look at the states rights issue federal law is going away in favor of what fifty individual states want to do
well the other guy has rallies where they chant “kill f*ggots, kill all transgenders” so show me a meaningful alternative that doesn’t require a full overhaul of both the electorate and the electoral system by next November or I’m voting for Biden
Its a little infuriating that every Biden criticism is met with “But Trump is bad!”.
Like, yeah, we know, that’s why the thought of Biden losing by being a weak candidate scares the shite out of us.
then take my criticism to be
show me a meaningful alternative that doesn’t require a full overhaul of both the electorate and the electoral system by next November
There’s a concept in software development called ‘shift-left’, it means the best time to make meaningful changes and fix problems is as early in the development cycle as possible. The same concept is true in politics. If you’re not voting or participating in state/municipal elections, primaries, etc. then you’re gonna be stuck with whoever ends up on the ‘major’ ballots at the end of the cycle.
The presidential election is essentially the ‘last resort’ and the reality of the situation is that your options are now limited to 2 people who actually have a chance of winning.
So, do you vote for someone who is
- Actively trying to harm people
- The person who doesn’t do all the things you want, but isn’t actively trying to tear the country apart, or,
- Some rando
The first option is obviously bad, and the third is no different than not voting, and not voting is essentially a vote in favour of the person you want least to win.
What do you do? You vote for the lesser of two evils and get 4 more years to make an impact in the elections that are actually important.
You vote for the lesser of two evils and get 4 more years to make an impact in the elections that are actually important.
Like local elections, where the national party will openly support an anti-choice labor-hating NRA stooge if his opponent is a progressive.
That’s cool, as long as they actually follow through and vote when the time comes.
They won’t
Do you think Boomers elected Biden in the 2020 general all on their own?
But would they vote? Young Americans historically have low voter turnout. Problem with youths is that we’re all talk and no action.
So Boomers elected Biden in the 2020 general all on their own? Got it.
55% of youths voted and 74% of boomers did.
Sounds like younger voters did show up then and if they hadn’t Biden would have lost.
Mail-in-votes in 2020 made voting easier. But still, voter turnout among young Americans could do better if you compare voter turnout with other countries.
Oh trust me, we won’t be showing up for Biden in 2024. His obvious disdain for anyone under the age of 65 made sure of that.
Care to elaborate?
Fucked the BBB, student loan forgiveness, weed legalization and getting healthcare insurance costs down. Currently using the Treasury and the Federal Reserve to fight American workers. Fucked over the rail workers by blocking the strike. Gave the most limp dicked support to the UAW. And currently supporting Israel against our wishes.
Clearly because of the lack of options… Biden and Trump again ey 😵💫
trump might not be able to run for president.
but republicans are republicans
In a world with such a myriad views how can there be a two party system. It’s utter madness.
If we’re going to have a president who backs fascist regimes abroad no matter what, they might as well be less fascist domestically.
The bar is so fucking low.
Meh I reckon Boden at least chills, he knows that the US ain’t got shit to prove, they just do whatever they do and try not accidentally sell guns to too many of the wrong people lol
If that’s the case, hopefully they get out and vote.
Young voters are being given really shitty choices.
I wonder when this magical time was where voting for the president had great choices. What many young voters fail to understand is that it’s not all about the president. Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation, and if you send that to your far-from-ideal president’s desk, they’ll sign it.
It’s certainly a much easier task than having an awesome progressive president who begs a near 50-50 Congress to pass good bills, and it just doesn’t happen.
People need to study how the Moral Majority took control of the GOP. Nixon was a dead duck after he lost his California Senate race, but he knew that an ex-Vice President was a big deal in small places. He campaigned tirelessly for years, getting lots of Reps, Governors, and Mayors elected. In 1968 he breezed in because he had the Party base on his side.
The MMs did the same. They would show up at every local GOP meeting with enoughvotes to get their agenda enacted. One day the Party big shots looked around and realized that all the dog catchers, county clerks, and sheriffs in their state were MMs.
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Abbreviation for the Moral Majority that they mentioned in the first paragraph.
Thanks for explaining
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Ok, so we need to force the system to change outside of its normal paths of power to have choices. No one thinks this time existed, everyone understands the current situation is bad.
People need to study how the Moral Majority took control of the GOP. Nixon was a dead duck after he lost his California Senate race, but he knew that an ex-Vice President was a big deal in small places. He campaigned tirelessly for years, getting lots of Reps, Governors, and Mayors elected. In 1968 he breezed in because he had the Party base on his side.
The MMs did the same. They would show up at every local GOP meeting with enoughvotes to get their agenda enacted. One day the Party big shots looked around and realized that all the dog catchers, county clerks, and sheriffs in their state were MMs.
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Who woulda thunk that grassroots campaign works? Even for the side that you don’t like?
Get enough Democrats into Congress
And what exactly is enough?
There is no exact number. The more there are, the bolder they can be.
Well I’ve seen them very a clear majority and not do anything, so this feels like a situation where the pertinent number will always been “just a bit more”.
Please tell me you’re not talking about the two month window in 2010 where they had a filibuster-proof majority, and passed a major healthcare reform bill, but it was kneecapped because it relied on Joe Lieberman to pass. Because that’s a case where a couple more Democrats would have made a huge difference in what we would have gotten, and also turned 2 months and some change into two years. That’s my point that there’s no exact number.
See, this is exactly what I’m talking about; no matter how many they get, it always wasn’t quite enough. It always needed “just a couple more”.
Having enough is a spectrum: the more there are, the bolder the legislation and the more likely it is to pass. So however many you get, you always fall short of doing even better with more.
Single payer healthcare had been discussed in the early stages — and it was clear they wouldn’t have 60 votes for it, so it was a non-starter. Because there were exactly 60 D/Is, there was no wiggle room. And the GOP held up the 60th Senator in the courts as long as they could because they had no wiggle room. And then Ted Kennedy had to vote for the ACA on his virtual deathbed, and after that their 60 votes were gone, so they couldn’t spend more time on healthcare or move on to other tough issues. Lieberman forced them to remove the public option from the bill.
But you are just overlooking that they did pass a major, consequential healthcare reform bill that solved some very important problems, which couldn’t be accomplished for decades before then, even though people tried.
And this all touches on my original point: a couple more Senators would have changed things significantly at that time, but a more progressive president would not have.
Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation,
We had 60 and they killed the public option. How many do we need?
Doesn’t matter, over half won’t be voting. Even less than normal if GOP state legislatures do away with mail in ballots or automatic mailed request forms from COVID times.
The less people who vote the more elections Republicans win.
Make sure your friends go vote (unless they’re trumpeter assholes maybe, then don’t talk about it).
Less young people voting is a direct result of the national DNC’s deeply infuriating tactic of promising a fuckton of stuff and then just abandoning those goals and… “compromising” with the GOP every single fucking time the chips are down. And here, “compromise” is pronounced “submit to”, because most Democrats have the neurological inability to understand that these days the GOP will betray them simply on principle, or because one GOP rep wants to tweet something so they can “troll the libs”. And then we all suffer for it.
We all fucking understand the stakes here. The DNC is actively pushing young voters away by using such a deeply cynical strategy and then thinking we’ll forget all about that stupidity the next time an election comes around. From where a lot of young people are standing, it looks a lot like a choice between “actively bad” and “passively bad”, and it’s hard to give a fuck about that, especially if you’re already struggling with other shit in your life, like most of our generation is to one degree or another.
Don’t get me wrong - I vote in every single election I can. But the amount of deeply, fundamentally uninspiring or even actively bad candidates I feel I’m forced to vote for, simply because they’re not a neo-Nazi or a member of the GOP is not small. And to all you vOTe fOr a ThiRD pArTY types out there: you and I both know that’s a great way to hand elections to the GOP, given how our shitty electoral system works.
The party is absolutely taking advantage of how bad their opponents have become. Democratic party leadership has regarded the left of the party with such withering contempt for so long, and then they wonder why the left resents them.
It’s super frustrating, because while I still think it’s possible to move the DNC in a more reliably progressive direction, it’s abundantly clear all the fossils in charge of the party have no intention whatsoever of going in that direction, so we either need to force them out or wait for them to die.
And in the meantime, the planet is warming and the fascists they keep “compromising” with only need to win once.
Yeah these polls always being in terms like “registered voters” or “likely voters”. Where as they really should poll “eligible to vote” instead to get full picture of the societal political mood situation.
Less than 50% voter turnout is a sign of a healthy democracy /s
This is obviously sarcasm lol
In what way?
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I feel quite confident that the comment you’re responding to is an example of deadpan humor.
Should I have added a /s ? My bad lmao, that’s on me
Sharkfucker420, fuckin awesome username lol. Is this a joke or no?
This is a joke lol, added a /s for clarity
Right? This poll is literally the same as asking young voters if they would rather have their entire heads cut off or just their eyes and ears gouged out.
This…just absolutely this. I was going to post something along the lines of it being a choice between eating shit or being flayed alive, but this is just better. Kudos.
Wow you guys are so original 🙄
We totally are. thanks.
What on earth are you talking about? Joe Biden tried to give 20k to each of them who went to college. And he would have if the–let me check my notes here: oh, right–Nazis in the other party hadn’t sued to prevent him from giving away money.
I appreciate that Biden might not be some folks’ first choice, but if you think young people believe another four years of Grampa Joe is just barely more tolerable than the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist traitors, you might need to meet one.
It doesn’t really matter in the long run, America is run by oil companies, not the people. Joe signed off on more land for drilling than trump did.
I believe those were agreements signed by Trump that Biden had to follow through on, no?
But let’s also be clear, Biden appointed the first Native Secretary of the Interior and signed the Inflation Reduction Act (the most significant climate legislation the US has ever had). Trump appointed Scott Pruitt to lead the EPA.
One will kill us slightly faster than the other. Great.
Brother he’s basically a war criminal the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist dictators is already happening
Unlike that peace-lover Trump who only cares about the welfare of the Palestinian people, right?
My criticism of Biden is totally my endorsement of trump for sure
Do you have the name of a third person who has a chance of being elected in 2024?
Also I came back to say this. How do you not see Biden and Trump being our only feasible options as inherently undemocratic? People only like them in comparison to the other. We should not be forced to choose between two objective evils. Are you so resigned to stagnation that you think continuing to enforce a system that exploits is the best option?
? So I should just love Biden? I don’t understand what you mean. I never said anything about voting did I?
You misspelled Russia.
Centrists falsely interpret all criticism of Biden as support for Trump. It’s dishonest.
And realists know that bashing Biden with no nuance, as these comments are doing, does nothing but benefit Republicans.
Centrists just want everyone to their left and only their left to shut up.
Then what you’re telling us is there is no opportunity for improvement… Clinton was 30 years ago and Biden is to the right of Clinton. Three decades of “incremental progress” has gotten us nowhere.
interpret all criticism of Biden as support for Trump
When you don’t vote, therefore allowing Trump to win the election…then yeah.
Equating the above with “all criticism” is what’s dishonest. Plenty of people criticize Biden who voted for him once, and they are still voting for him again. But you know that. We might not like him but believe it or not, we dislike fascism even more. Crazy, I know.
Maybe pay attention to what’s actually happening rather than just repeating what other people say about him.
Biden is continuing to seek (and find) pathways to forgiving student loan debt, despite the Supreme Court ruling against his program. Millions of people have had their loans forgiven since that decision, and it seems more are getting it every day.
Anyone who thinks he’s senile or incoherent should listen to the interview he did on Conan O’Brien’s podcast that was released the other day. I was surprised that it went so well, and Biden was far more lucid than I’ve ever seen Trump.
I don’t think he’s senile, I just think he’s out of touch. It’s hard to be in touch as an 80-some year old man.
He seems to be doing a pretty good job given his poor circumstances where the Republican house and supreme court are both totally useless.
He didn’t have those issues in his first two years. His own party blocked his agenda.
Wel the first two years we had the fuckheads Sinema and Manchin who are basically republicans at this point
Sinema didn’t kill the minimum wage increase by herself. She was one of 8 democrats to vote against workers.
Manchin is the perfect centrist Democrat.
Yes, this is tradition.
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It’s a fallacy of polling. They only had two choices here. The correct interpretation is they prefer him over Trump, but do not like him.
Liking Biden and voting for Biden can be two separate things.
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Still true, no one likes Biden. The alternative just happens to be an evil dictator.
I don’t think that is true. It’s like saying you don’t like a Honda Accord because Ferraris exist. Sure you want everything, but you’ll still appreciate the Accord over the Nike Express.
Its the difference of sitting in an ugly car VS sticking an industrial wood chipper up my ass and turning it on. Ill take the ugly car.
Sabata hates ugly cars! How dare you make fun my mom’s old Chevy Cavalier!
Sure. Biden at least does SOME good. He’s not a Bernie or the shakeup we wanted. But it’s far better than the Cheeto.
Not made up. Just a large population.
I could write an article about how Biden is really a cat and find people on the street to provide quotes for it.
So you’re saying it’s not literally made up, but effectively made up?
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If we had ranked ballot this would be my vote:
- John Stewart
- A tree stump
- Biden
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Stephen Colbert might be on that list too. And honestly, Harris would probably work for the same reasons as Biden.
Wait… Tree Stump is running?
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Love John, but he won’t do it. He’s said in multiple interviews that his place is outside the establishment generating the public will to act, which he couldn’t do as a politician. I don’t blame him. He seems to be more effective at getting change done than most senators or even presidents.
There’s a difference between voting for him and liking him. He’s an awful person but the alternative is Trump, so there’s not even as choice there
Biden is not an awful person. He is a person who has spent a lifetime in politics and high office and has a long record to pick away at. People tend to forget that politics is the art of the possible. People who never compromise are radicals, like the Tea Party people, for example. It makes no sense to bitch about the radicals on the right and then denigrate the centrist. If you have specific criticisms, fine that’s fair, but just summing Biden up as “an awful person” is both unwarranted and naive about the nature of politics.
You say that like he isn’t using Trump era restrictions on Asylum still and about to restrict the acceptable basis of “reasonable fear” to send more people back to countries where their lives are in danger.
Or supporting the genocide in Gaza.
Or getting rail workers killed because he short circuited their strike to save Christmas.
Or is blaming the current economic crisis on everything but monopolistic/cartel pricing models in necessities like housing and food. While claiming the economy is stronger than ever.
I could go on. This is all stuff from his presidency. He is an awful person.
People who don’t understand politics: I want my leader to always act uncompromisingly to solve all of the injustices I see.
The Tea Party and the Freedumb Caucus: Hold my beer…
People who don’t understand politics: NoT LiKe Thaaaat!
I didn’t say he was the worst choice. Just that he is objectively an awful person. He is willing to trade lives of refugees to get more money for Israel who is, right now, conducting summary executions of civilians.
This doesn’t stop if we don’t acknowledge the problems and pressure him.
Also, just for fun, I did choose things which he has the authority to unilaterally act on. He can initiate DOJ investigations into price collusion. He can tell Israel to pound sand. He can go back to Obama era Asylum policies. He could have told the rail companies he was willing to stand with the strikers until their very reasonable demands were met.
You don’t get it.
Biden is not a king, he is a politician in a deeply divided democratic country. You don’t agree with the current direction of certain parts of US government policy, which is determined by a huge breadth of considerations. That doesn’t make Biden an “objectively awful person”.
For comparison, Trump really is an awful person. Even most of his supporters don’t think he is a “good person”, they just don’t care about his antics because he appeals to their fears and baser instincts.
In many ways the American president is very much a king. If you want to argue that he didn’t have the political capital to do so then sure. But as I said above, these are all things within his power, he doesn’t need Congress for any of them. And what he’s doing with that power is morally repugnant. I would argue he’s losing political capital by the truckload every time we get a new report on Israel’s war crimes.
And while he can’t buy weapons for Ukraine without Congress (the goal the GOP is holding hostage to kill more Asylees and Gazans) he can authorize Ukraine as a buyer in their own right and get a deal with Ukraine to pay for the weapons later. (This was done in both world wars)
He’s pretending he’s stuck where he can’t do anything because people don’t understand the powers of the executive and it’s convenient for him.
Accuses people of not understanding politics
Gets mad when people won’t vote for someone they hate.
Wait, you actually hate Biden? That even worse than “objectively awful person”. Such strong language, especially considering who the alternative is.
It’s possible to hate two people at once. Three actually. I hate Trump, Biden and Kissinger.
There is very little I enjoy as much as the moment when someone like you realizes their ideas make them an unpopular minority.
Oh no, negative 2?!? Whatever will I do with my life!
Oh wait, I need to go make another post about how the entire 2A debate is being held in bad faith so both sides can profit off of dead children. That will pump those numbers. (You think this is a joke but it’s not. The Brady Campaign’s AWB doesn’t address gun violence, just gun LARPing)
I more meant the polls in the OP
That’s a contest poll. It only presents two options. Here’s how people actually feel about those options.
I read an article earlier this week that actually explains this. They had a result that young people preferred Trump to Biden – but when they narrowed in on likely voters, it flipped to Biden. They noted that the individuals who preferred Trump tended to not vote in 2020.
Make of this what you will. I’m not entirely sure myself how to interpret this.
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Pft of course haha
Polling companies need to figure out a new strategy. Their current methodology isn’t working. For a poll to be accurate it needs to be a simple random sample. It’s tricky to do, but clearly what we have now is insufficient.
“Yong voters prefer man that can offer a slim hope of a future over man promising to plunge world into darkness.”
Like who would vote for a guy saying he wants to be a dictator???
Biden is a great president and best panacea to the ugliness of current politics. Feel free to not like him though. Nothing against polls but it is still far out so even as a Biden supporter I’m not going to wave this poll around like I’m Dean Phillips.
