https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1737771585153499494

Lmao, not a piracy problem. Just the Yemenis carrying out legitimate naval interdiction operations and interference from Israel’s allies. Mfkers pretending this is a piracy problem like off the coast of Somalia when it’s just ships affiliated with Israel being interdicted.

  • mar_k [he/him]
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    Three Chinese navy ships in the vessel’s vicinity chose to ignore the 59 distress calls from the Israel-linked ship, Pentagon press secretary Air Force Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder said

    Lmfao

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    I prefer the explanation that they just blatantly ignored it over the explanation that interfering in the interdiction would have been an act of war.

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    I am going to have a maybe controversial opinion here on hexbear chapo lemmy and say that uh, I do not like the state of Israel and I do not like the state of China…

    …but uh what? This is a nothing burger. Even if a Chinese ship is on an anti piracy mission, and even if this all actually happened as described…

    Is China a major ally or in a military alliance with, or even known to militarily cooperate with Israel or its allies?

    … No?

    Was China probably interested in doing anti piracy for its own state owned shipping company and those that are based in and/or operated by and/or largely shipping to itself and its regional allies / more friendly states?

    Yes?

    Wow, what a shocking story /s.

    This is just plain old geopolitics, you dont even need to have an ideology, just a basic grasp of like international politics 101 to see this.

    EDIT: Oh right, I forgot that the vast majority of human beings are not really capable of entertaining any idea more complicated than Our Team Good, Other Team BAD, how silly of me.

    • flan [they/them]
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      I do not like the state of China

      really the only controversial part of the post tbh

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        I also do not “like” the state of China, however I am interested in the positive things they do for the people living there, and critical of the negative things.

        • @[email protected]
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          I mean, same. Theyve managed to accomplish many incredible things in the past decade, but they also have many policies I find reprehensible.

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            Is it the non-existent genocide of uighurs, the non-existent genocide of Tibet or the crushing of a western color revolt in Hong Kong that got you all libbed up?

              • AbbysMuscles [she/her]
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                My understanding is that it’s steadily improving, even if it’s not universally free at point of service yet

                • ElHexo [comrade/them]
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                  it’s steadily improving, even if it’s not universally free at point of service yet

                  That’s like saying American healthcare is steadily improving (pointing at ACA) even if it’s not universally free at point of service yet.

                  China’s health insurance model is just as systemically broken as the US’s health insurance model, and the only effective resolution will be dumping the entire system.

                • ElHexo [comrade/them]
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                  The cost argument is a cop out, just look at Cuba.

                  I can accept that Xi wants to focus on strengthening the CPC’s foundations (particularly after the more liberal period) and develop China’s productive capacity.

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              Well I am far from a lib if you read my other comments, though it seems like you are the type that might actually go through them all and find some hint of libness or something.

              Anyway, off the top of my head, things I disagree with the Chinese state on include being mass surveillance society, and their long stated, and recently reiterated, position that Taiwan rightfully belongs under Chinese rule.

              Oh right, I am also actually against the widespread standardization of the various different languages in different regions of China to ‘Simplified Chinese’.

              In my lifetime I have had the chance to speak with many different persons born in China. Some were wealthy, sent to America for college and spoke excellent English. Some were wealthy and sent to America for college and spoke basically no English whatsoever. Many, many others, working class, spoke little English but had great fun communicating to me via the aid of translation apps… I was about as bad at ‘Chinese’ as they were at English, but we always laughed about it.

              I say ‘Chinese’ in quotes here me because different such Chinese people from different regions, if they do not know the common tongue of Mandarin / Simplified Chinese… they actually cannot understand nearly anything said, or even written, in the actual native ‘dialects’ of their regions. Canton/Hong Kong, Nanjing/Beijing, Shanghai… they are functionally entirely different languages.

              For more on this:

              https://asiasociety.org/china-learning-initiatives/many-dialects-china

              Many Chinese dialects are at least as different from each other as the Romance languages are, which should classify them as separate languages.

              To me this means that the standardization of the Chinese language into ‘Simplified Chinese’ functionally constitutes the erasure of the ancient and native tongues of huge portions of the population, and reminds me of what America has done to Native Americans, at least in terms of functionally making it so that very few grandchildren can speak the language of their grandparents.

              Now, given how you have already established that you like to jump to the conclusion that I am a lib, I also now have to state what should be obvious but otherwise in this context would not be without specification:

              America and basically all of the developed Western countries (UK really stands out) are also mass surveillance societies, as are others.

              And no, I do not think that Taiwan is some kind of magical wonderland, it is a capitalist society and thus has all the problems that come with capitalism. And yes, I am aware that its modern government derives from basically the remnants of Chiang Kai Shek and his army, and more or less the basically just-out-of-feudalistic-nobility class of wealthy capitalists that managed to flee with him.

              That being said, I do believe that now, nearly 100 years later, having been their own society for that long, it is at the very least not ethical for another state to assert their ability to govern a people who generally speaking seem to me at least to be fiercely opposed to that.

              If I am factually wrong about any of this, I would appreciate it if you could correct any glaringly false things my views here are based on, or if you could point me to somewhere I could learn more.

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                “Simplified Chinese” is a spelling orthography dipshit. One derived from cursive shorthands and variants that people have used from literally the 2nd century BC. Mandarin is the common dialect since centuries before the CCP took power. In fact there was consideration for making Cantonese the common dialect at one point. No native speaker of any dialect of Chinese considers them seperate languages. The only people making this claim are dumbass anglophone r*dditors like you and your equally braindead gusano friends. The fact that you can’t even tell basic terms like “Simplified Chinese” or “Mandarin” apart shows that you know literally nothing about Chinese and should shut the fuck up and stop talking out of your ass.

              • AbbysMuscles [she/her]
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                Don’t more people speak Mongolian and use the Mongolian script in the PRC province of Inner Mongolia than the actual Mongolian nation?

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                  I do not know, but that does not seem implausible.

                  China (the state) certainly can be commended for building a whole lot of infrastructure and making new cities amd expanding old ones… it would not surprise me if the Chinese province of Inner Mongolian has been developed so much that it has attracted Mongolians from Mongolia proper as well as other parts of China to live and grow there.

              • TheDialectic [none/use name]
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                China is not trying to erase those other languages. They are working harder to preserve them than any in the west ever did. However creating a unified language so everyone can communicate has obvious benefits. I see the pragmatism there.

                As to Taiwan, I am under the impression most people are ambivalent the way any liberal citizen is about politics. However, they are a small island nation in a geologically active zone. Self determination is not an option. They are going to be in the US sphere of influence or the Chinese. It can only be obvious based on past performance. How poorly the US would end up treating Taiwan. So if you actually care about the future of Taiwanese people than you would hope China presses their legal right to govern the area.

                • @[email protected]
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                  So first off, I am by no means purporting to be some kind of expert on China, especially as I cannot read or speak any Chinese dialect to be able to actually experience their media, news, culture etc.

                  That being said:

                  China is not trying to erase those other languages

                  If the entire European union /somehow/ decided to standardize language to… I dont know, Esperanto, or Interlingua, and as a matter of policy, forbade schools generally accessible to the vast majority of public school children from teaching the language of the country they are from, would you consider that ‘erasing languages’?

                  As to Taiwan …Self determination is not an option.They are going to be in the US sphere of influence or the Chinese.

                  Well, I think there is a large difference between self determination and being in a sphere of influence.

                  Ukraine is now very, very much more obviously in the NATO sphere of influence militarily, and the EU’s sphere of influence economically. But they still have self determination. They can elect leaders, vote, blah blah liberal democracy, but the self determination does functionally exist.

                  True they are not an island, but they were considered to be a weak, liberal democracy, contested by two powerful spheres of influence… should the ideal situation for be either loss of self determination and formal annexation/absorption into Russia, or perhaps Poland?

                  Conversely, (though also not an island) the Palestinians have barely had any real self determination since the Nakba, as they have been made, and are still, so totally beholden to Israel economically that even though they do have their own government, its decisions and goals are constantly rendered functionally void as they have no real effective means to alter their situation meaningfully on their own.

                  They have even less functional power to use their self determined leaders and government and quasi governmental organizations to meaningfully act on their own, and are basically totally economically beholden to Israel, and basically in military terms are caught between Israel + US, and various other Middle Eastern states and organizations.

                  Should they give up what little self determination they have left, and formally just join Israel (who certainly will not let them do this as they are currently busy genociding them) or a nearby Arab state (all of whom will nearly certainly also not do this?)

                  You can go even further with your logic here.

                  Should the Kurds give up their struggle to carve out a formal right of self determination and simply acquiesce to being ruled, divided, by autocrats who claim the territories where most of them live, or simply all migrate their territory within one bordering autocratic state and just hope to not be oppressed there?

                  The point I am trying to make here is that I do not believe that the general principle of a small, relatively weak people should simply acquiesce to a total loss of self-determination simply because they are massively influenced by larger nearby powers.

                  If, as another commenter mentioned to me somewhere in this thread, the Taiwanese people actually use their self-determination to voluntarily integrate with the PRC, I would respect that.

                  But just using the logic of ‘they have powerful neighbors so they must obviously give up their autonomy to one of them’ is not compelling to me at all.

              • KarlBarqs [he/him, they/them]
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                Taiwan rightfully belongs under Chinese rule.

                This is also the Taiwanese position.

                Taiwan has never claimed independence, they’re called the Republic of China because they see themselves as the rightful Chinese government in exile. They don’t want a small isolated island, they want to take back the mainland.

              • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                Ah so the non-existent oppression of Chinese Taipei and the “surveillance” that’s less strict than most western nations like Britain

                Very cool 😎

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                  I didnt say anything about whether or not Taipei is or is not oppressed by China.

                  I am curious as to how you determined that the UK’s surveillance is more strict than China’s though.

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                one guy I follow on tiktok (who is from taiwan) said that the most difficult part of the conflict with Taiwan is that both consider themselves China. the difficulty comes from navigating the political situation, not so much from internal resistance. I might be wrong, but it sounds like they aim for reunification not conquest.

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                  If a peaceful, amicable reunification is possible without war, and is genuinely supported by the Taiwanese people, then that seems vastly preferable to a military take over.

                  Though, I would expect if such a thing looks likely to occur in the near or medium term, the US would probably do some shenanigans/bullshit/assassinations/subterfuge to prevent that from happening.

                  They do manufacture something like 80% of the worlds microprocessors, and that is just a bit important to modern economies, militaries, etc.

            • @[email protected]
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              Honestly, on a purely personal level, the fact that you can, these days, actually sometimes get a Chinese hacker banned within less than an hour by spamming their pms or chat with the winnie the poor bear image and linking them or copy pasting excerpts of accounts of Tienanmen Square is basically both sad and funny to me.

              • Azarova [they/them]
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                get a Chinese hacker banned within less than an hour by spamming their pms or chat with the winnie the poor bear image and linking them or copy pasting excerpts of accounts of Tienanmen Square

                people really believe this shit? lol

                • @[email protected]
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                  Seeing as I have no upvotes on that post, no, apparently not anyone here other than myself.

                • @[email protected]
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                  I mean my computer got destroyed when I was illegally evicted, but there was a time /after/ China started cutting network connections based on keyword/phrase scanning, but /before/ games that could be played internationally started autoremoving such things from their chat so that Chinese players wouldnt be banned.

                  It didnt happen often, but I do remember a few times it did.

                  I honestly would love to provide more than just my personal anectode here, but I am quite serious when I say my computer was destroyed when I was evicted.

                  Well ok, either that, or one of the two corrupt maintenance people that were charging the whole apartment complex 20x the city’s actual utility rates by shoving it through an obvious fake scam company based multiple states away… maybe one of them kept it for themselves.

                  I doubt theyd be able to figure out the boot level password, luks2 encryption password, and my actual user password though.

                  Probably parted out and sold.

              • KarlBarqs [he/him, they/them]
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                Holy shit are you one of those people that actually fucking believes that?

                Winnie the Pooh isn’t banned in China, you can go visit Shanghai Disney and go see him. You can buy Pooh merch. The only thing that got banned was comparing images of Xi and Obama to Winnie and Tigger, and if you can’t see why representing Xi with a literal yellow character and Obama with a character named Tigger might be worthy of social media bans, you’re willfully ignorant.

                And Chinese people aren’t executed if they hear about Tiananmen Square. They know it fucking exists, they just refer to it by date and not by name.

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                This sounds fake to me. It is in line with bacon having magic properties against Muslims.

                I remember back in guild wars we used to mass report accounts for rascism and they would get autobanned. My guild won a tournament doing that. Was that evidence of US government overreach? Or companies being lazy and shitty?

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                  Wow what a shitty thing to do, damn!

                  No, it wouldnt be evidence of US government overreach, mainly because the US government was not involved, you were basically just exploiting the game itself. The US /just listens/ to more or less everything you send through its networks.

                  China is a whole different beast, a whole 'nother realm of extremely invasive direct government censorship all throughout their own sort of internal internet within the Great Firewall of China. Combined with requiring internet users to basically now have a government ID that is the only way they can use the internet legally, requiring users to simply use their real names for all their online handles… there is so much control over the internet inside of china it is truly breathtaking, far too much for a currently homeless tech nerd to go into right now.

                  Anyway, its also not a common thing, ever seeing a chinese player banned for spamming verboten and already flagged material at them in a game, due in large part to… why would an American or European player ever connect to a Chinese server? Ping is terrible, no one speaks English, and video game hacking is extremely common in China, as, for a very long time, the only way they could really get their hands on a lot of video games was by already being an adept enough hacker to even /get/ a video game not made in China… which there were not many of until relatively recently… point is, if you have played enough games that let you connect to serves all around the world, you know that connecting to a Chinese game server is probably a bad idea.

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        Thank you, my first order of business is to mandate a daily viewing of a 3hour debate on whatever is the hottest trending youtube geopolitical news item between shoeonhead and jontron, moderated by destiny.

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          jontron

          The Anglo r*dditor who makes shit up about China is a fan of a nazi. Who would’ve guessed. Go back to r*ddit you neoliberal drone.

          • glans [it/its]
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            idk about youtube politics but i dont really read the above comment as complimentary to these people. My impression is that the person is joking about their ideas being uninsightful.

            • @[email protected]
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              Ding ding ding!

              The previous user was poking fun at me and appointed me to leader of geopolitics, so i went along with the joke and proposed something obviously horrible, to continue the spirit of me not being a good leader of geopolitics.

              The funniest part is that the guy I was responding to was saying its a hot take, ie, not very controversial to be critical of both israel and palestine.

              And the other main comment here i have been replying to said that being critical of china is the only controversial part.

              And numerous people have since, well, uh, right above here one assumed i am a neolib because I made a joke which referenced jontron that they did not think was funny, and others have not exactly been receptive to me having critical opinions of the Chinese state.

              Apparently my original comment /is/ actually controversial.

              So… fun night here on lemmy lol.

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                ding ding ding ding holy crap learn how to make a comment without sounding like an insufferable little shit for once.

          • @[email protected]
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            Its a joke.

            See it is a joke because jontron is a nazi, shoeonhead is a … not very politically well versed person, and destiny is the insufferable basically neolib king of internet debates.

            Like the joke is that these are all insufferable internet people, 3 of them together would be horrible, and forcing this community to view them debating everyday would be horrible.

            Sorry you didn’t find it funny.

            Anyway, what am I making up about China?

    • AutoVomBizMarkee [he/him]
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      My favorite thing about this post is that I saw it earlier today, with the edit already in place after 2 comments that weren’t even harsh. Please just use reddit-logo

    • oregoncom [he/him]
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      EDIT: Thank you for the updoot kind stranger. DAE think everyone else is an idiot doodoo head, unlike me, a euphoric enlightened redditor.

      Please go back to reddit. Even when you make a good point you somehow do it in the most insufferable way possible.

      • @[email protected]
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        Hrm, I’m sorry you dont like the way I make points. Feel free to block me and then you’ll never have to see anything I say again!

        That being said, I didnt expect the same community here that asked me to remove the phrase QT*rd from another post I made, as it is apparently ableist, to have such a vehement negative reaction to my way of speaking.

        I guess Autistic people such as myself are ok to be mocked and insulted for being snarky and insufferable, for daring to envision hypothetical scenarios, for having an opinion that is apparently both controversial and not controversial… this community really seems to embrace the neurodivergent with open arms, very welcoming.

        Seems like the real reddit experience I am so very used to is /riiiiight here/.

      • @[email protected]
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        Downvote away! The internet is like Whose Line Is It Anyway:

        The rules are made up, and the points don’t matter.

        • WayeeCool [comrade/them]OP
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          You got downvoted for snark and not because people disagreed with your initial points. Btw, you weren’t downvoted by Hexbear users (we don’t have downvotes, can’t even see them).

          • @[email protected]
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            Well people are snarky here all the time so I guess I am the wrong kind of snarky.

            And I was replying directly to someone who said they were using an alt to down vote me.

            I am relatively new to lemmy, apologies for not reading all of the sidebars or rules or whatever on every single board i post on.

            • iie [they/them, he/him]
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              the wrong kind of snarky

              yeah, this was the issue lol, a communist forum is not the best place to condescend about the vast majority of people (the proletariat) being idiots.

    • the_post_of_tom_joad [any, any]
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      You sure people don’t just think your theoretical grasp of geopolitics is outstripped by your simplistic take itt? I would remain silent about others knowledge until you demonstrate something to be arrogant about

      • @[email protected]
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        I mean, I am not outlining some kind of grandiose and elegant worldview that will always lead to having the correct opinion about everything that ever happens.

        I am pointing out that you basically just have to have roughly passed through the 2nd year of a 4 year poli sci degree, or just independently read up a bit on the basics of international relations and disputes to realize this story is not that shocking.

        My point is that even with a basic understanding, a simplistic take is all thats needed to dismiss this.

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          And i agree with all of that. My point was and is more about your edit i suppose. What you said was simple, my beef is how you said it; the vibe is you were ready with dismissal instead of engaging, when you yourself brought nothing to the table but a struggle

          Maybe I’m being too harsh, but you get what i mean?

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            I get what you mean but it was not aimed at some particular worldview or ideology, just a rib at how the rally round the flag effect seemingly never fails to work on mass publics, especially so in America after the Republicans have more or less destroyed public education in my own lifetime.

            I did not realize I had to bring something to the table on what is usually a comment board full of jokes and memes.

            Is there a sub lemmy where more serious discussion occurs? I am new to lemmy and would be interested in some good long hard throbbing geopolitical analyses.

    • DengistDonnieDarko [none/use name]
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      EDIT: Oh right, I forgot that the vast majority of human beings are not really capable of entertaining any idea more complicated than Our Team Good, Other Team BAD, how silly of me.

      projection

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    I like how they put a picture of XI as if he was personally listening to the signal

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    China seems to be taking a “I won’t kill you, doesn’t mean I have to save you” stance in regards to Israel.

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    there is no such thing as Somali piracy, ignore the psyop

    https://towardfreedom.org/story/archives/africa-archives/root-causes-of-somali-piracy-nuclear-dumping-and-seafood-looting/

    Ever since a civil war brought down Somalia’s last functional government in 1991, the country’s 3,330 km (2,000 miles) of coastline — the longest in continental Africa — has been pillaged by foreign vessels. A United Nations report in 2006 said that, in the absence of the country’s at one time serviceable coastguard, Somali waters have become the site of an international “free for all,” with fishing fleets from around the world illegally plundering Somali stocks and freezing out the country’s own rudimentarily-equipped fishermen. According to another U.N. report, an estimated $300 million worth of seafood is stolen from the country’s coastline each year. “In any context,” says Gustavo Carvalho, a London-based researcher with Global Witness, an environmental NGO, “that is a staggering sum.”

    In the face of this, impoverished Somalis living by the sea have been forced over the years to defend their own fishing expeditions out of ports such as Eyl, Kismayo and Harardhere — all now considered to be pirate dens.

    https://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1892376,00.html