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It’s Time to Ditch Evernote for One of These Alternatives::undefined
I use the
marksman
language server with my neovim configuration. It makes a navigable wiki-ish system ., especially when you set it up withcompletion.wiki.style = "file-path-stem"
in the.marksman.toml
( see: here for what that does.This, plus syncthing or git, works for syncing .
What most note taking apps ignore is OneNote’s strong drawing tablet capabilities, but Obsidian is here to save the day with the Excalidraw plugin. In total it is not as user friendly as OneNote, but the data portability cannot be weighted in gold.
Joplin also has a drawing plugin called Freehand Drawing.
Does it have premade forms available like circles?
@[email protected] That extension is more for freehand drawing. For pre-made shapes and diagrams, you can use the Draw .io extension instead:
Freehand drawing: https://joplinapp.org/plugins/plugin/io.github.personalizedrefrigerator.js-draw/
Draw .io: https://joplinapp.org/plugins/plugin/com.github.marc0l92.joplin-plugin-drawio/
Thanks for the info!
I did a lot of hemming and hawing over stylus support.
In the end, I realized I really just wanted to export/share the sketch or notes from the Samsung app as a PNG or PDF to whatever note organizer I used. So ended up with anytype
Obsidian is a godsend. The sheer number of plugins gives you basically anything you could want.
It not being open-source is pretty much my only complaint lol
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No good way to use it across multiple devices is my deal breaker for obsidian.
You need Obsidian sync for that. It works awesome. It’s not free.
I’ve been using Syncthing for this purpose. My notes are synced between a desktop, laptop, Android phone, and Android tablet. It took me forever to finally take the time to try Syncthing, and it’s been nearly flawless.
Logseq if anyone is wondering about open source alternative.
weird that it isn’t on F-droid
It is on F-droid if you add the Izzydroid repo to the app.
Also Anytype, but it lacks plugin functionality
For now. Understandable though - its nearly a brand new project as far as a project of this scale goes, and opening up the codebase for contributions or plugins this early can very quickly derail or redirect any OSS project.
Is there a plugin that lets me get rid of huge wasted whitespace on either side of the doc?
Sounds like you’re talking about the readable line length setting. That’s an option you can turn off in the default settings of the app.
Just turn this option off in the Editor settings.
Oh sick
In the article someone mentioned Upnote (https://getupnote.com/) and it looks very good. Cross platform work sync. 50 notes in the free version and 99 cents a month for premium. Cross platform too.
As for me I wanted a more simple note taking app so I use Notesnook. I’m using the free version but there is a paid version. Includes sync on all versions and is cross platform.
I just need a note platform that I can feel sure will still be accessible in a few years time. I don’t mind paying for a service that’s valuable to me but evernote’s prices were a bit much and their constant pestering became annoying. I switched to Google keep - which, given that I wanted something that will last, may have been a mistake.
Google Keep is fine. I also use it for short notes which I can access on the go and it’s been reliable for years now.
I just don’t like the layout of the notes all in squares. I’d prefer the option of a regular compact list view
I’ve been using notesnook for a few weeks. I like it a lot, the native sync support and focus on encryption on the free version is awesome. I wish it had markdown support though.
Standard Notes is fantastic, assuming that:
- you don’t need to collaborate in real-time with your notes (you can share them after the fact and there is a way to give multiple accounts edit access to the same note, but it looked complicated and I haven’t explored it)
- you primarily use a keyboard - mobile counts, even if you’re using speech to text or Scribble on iPad - rather than wanting a canvas to draw on.
- you’re not trying to upload documents and annotate them
StandardNotes has the following going for it:
- it’s FOSS
- it’s easily self-hostable
- it’s also offered as SaaS, and if you use that your notes are e2ee
- if you self-host you can still use the official mobile apps (but those are open source, too)
- it has a web app, mobile apps, desktop apps on Windows, Mac, and Linux
- there is a variety of editor plugins created by the community that can be used even if you use the free SaaS offering - check out https://github.com/jonhadfield/awesome-standard-notes for a list.
I’ve been using StandardNotes for a few years at this point (as a paid user on their 5 year plan, which no longer exists as far as I know) and have also developed an editor plugin for it.
Been using standardnotes for years and absolutely love it. My fav is the quick note-type changer. Can go from base text only to markup to checklist etc so easy.
StandardNotes (I compared it to SimpleNote when I tested it months ago):
- Doesn’t support markdown without $ - simplenote does
- Doesn’t support checkboxes without $ - simplenote does
- Doesn’t even allow rich text without paying
- $119/year subscription
- Simplenote syncs faster
It calls itself FOSS but really, most of the important functionality is paid-only.
I have to agree. I considered Standard Notes but I would have to pay for super notes in order to use images, even if I self-host. Same for code blocks, organizing notes into folders, spreadsheets, web clipper. Have to get the most expensive plan for offline access and being able to have local backups, although it is discounted if you self-host completely but why still pay a sub at that point? I would rather pay once and then be able to self-host using their super notes without paying more every month.
I liked Obsidian but wanted encryption that works on my android so I went with Joplin.
Obsidian does offer end to end encryption as well, but you need to pay for their Sync offering. They have a good deal on it right now but I don’t need encryption so I just use the basic icloud functionality which works pretty well on iPhone, iPad and Windows. https://help.obsidian.md/Obsidian+Sync/Security+and+privacy
FOSS doesn’t mean free as in beer. Even so, you can get support for all of the things you mentioned, and more, for free. You can find the link from my comment above by searching for “Awesome Standard Notes,” but since you mentioned editors specifically, this will take you directly where you want to go: https://github.com/jonhadfield/awesome-standard-notes#editors
Edit to add: you can enable a community created editor (other than the ones that are included in the paid subscription) by going to Preferences > Plugins > scroll all the way to the bottom > and then, in the text box under “Install Custom Plugin,” paste the url (like https://mortalhappiness.github.io/sn-tui.editor/ext.json for the Tui Markdown Editor), then click Install, review the extension info, and then click Install again. You can follow these same steps to install a different theme, too.
There are several Markdown compatible editors in that list, so you’re free to choose the one that works best for you.
The Append Editor supports multiple types of Markdown, including Github Flavored Markdown, as well as LATEX. You can get an inline check mark by prepending a line with
- [ ]
, but when you press enter it doesn’t make the next line a checkmark, nor can you click a checkmark to check/uncheck it, so it’s not a good choice if checklists are your main use-case. Some better options:Tui Markdown Editor requires you to manually start a checklist the same way, but then a new line in either markdown or wysiwyg mode will also have a checkmark. You can also check/uncheck in wysiwyg mode with a click.
The Rich Markdown Editor is also good for checklists. It only offers a wysiwyg experience where you type in the same view as the final one (rather than having a split view), but there’s no top menu. You can still type the normal Markdown characters with exceptions when it’s something that requires multiple characters. In that case, type
/
on a new line to get a list of options, then type a couple characters and choose the best option. For example, I can’t just type- [ ]
and get a checklist because it escapes the characters so that I get a list that would render the [ ]. But I can type/
and then type “checklist” or “todo” (really just 2 characters of either of those words) and choose that option to start an in-line checklist. And if I hit enter, the next line defaults to being another checklist item. You can also click the checkmark to check or uncheck it.For a dedicated task list, Scratch also works well. It’s not Markdown behind the scenes, though (but it is still readable plain text). You can start a checklist by clicking the checkmark icon in the top menu. Like the Rich Markdown Editor, a new line will create a new checklist item and you can click the checkmark to check/uncheck it.
You also might check out the “Advanced Checklist.” It’s in the “Official Extensions” link but I just tested and was able to install it on a free account. (Note that you can also self-host the “paid” editors other than the Super editor and use them for free, though that does require a bit of extra work.)
There are other editors on that page and also other community written editors in general out there. The Marp Editor lets you create presentation slides. The Mermaid Editor lets you create diagrams. Heck there’s even a Music Editor (for tablature, not for directly generating audio). There are a couple sketch / whiteboard apps. I’m not saying it has everything you could ever dream of, but there’s a lot and it’s easy to extend for anyone with front end web development experience.
Regarding your point about Simplenote syncing faster: I assume this is because Standard Notes is end to end encrypted, but Simplenote is not (Unfortunately generally e2ee adds additional overhead to syncing operations as the server cannot optimize nearly as much). There may be more to it than that, though. I’ve looked at Standard Notes’s code a bit but haven’t looked at the server code for Simplenote - as far as I can tell, Simperium, the backend it uses, is not open source. (The frontend is, though.)
That said, I’ve never noticed Standard Notes taking particularly long to sync. I don’t have thousands of notes but I do have several hundred (pretty close to a thousand). Were you seeing bad performance with Standard Notes or just worse (but still fine) performance? And if the latter, can you share some more details?
For me, not being end to end encrypted is a dealbreaker for my private notes (unless I’m self-hosting the app, that is). I’m not comfortable with someone at the hosting company just being able to access my notes. But that’s not important to everyone, and if it’s not important to you and if Simplenote otherwise does everything you want, then by all means use it - it’s a great choice.
They brought back the five year plan for Black Friday, which I bought. They now include in the paid model an all purpose editor that works really well, especially with embedded images.
I haven’t looked into the alternatives much, but I’ve been using AnyType because of the decentralized sync.
Who is still using Evernote in 2023? Everyone I know is using either Notion or Google Keep.
I am but I have less than 50 notes and I like the cloud sync feature for 2 devices.
I’ve exported my notes and imported them into Obsidian but it lacks the cloud sync and up to 2 devices, for free anyway.
Never heard of Notion but I’ll give that a shot. Thanks!
you do not know any sane ppl it seems.
they are not using google keep, they are just too dumb to make decisions for another app or use notion because the other mamals in the herd use it. don’t be like that. help them evolve into proper humans.
It is kinda hard to move on when you have hundreds of notes you know… I still haven’t moved, but I have been using Obsidian only locally for so long.
I still use Tomboy Notes synced with Nextcloud & Dropbox. It’s ancient, but I’ve never come across anything else that does these things:
- temporary sticky notes.
- permanent sticky notes.
- glorified clipboard buffer.
- personal wiki.
- light weight (no browser, database, or network required).
- one small window per note.
- optional categorization into notebooks.
- desktop pkeyboard shortcut for searching notes or opening new ones.
I really hate web based notes. I want small quick responsive windows beside my browser.
They shouldn’t have started using it in the first place, as it is a proprietary APP that spies on everything the user puts into it.
I always felt that Evernote was a confusing mess line OneNote I would try to use it every couple years thinking it would different only to give up a little later and go back to Notepad++
Wait what? One is a note taking app. The other is a text editor…
Did I miss the implied /s?
Notepad++ works great for taking notes. Besides, it’s open 24/7 anyway so dedicating a tab or two (or dozen lol) feels pretty natural.
I only use Joplin if I have some “very structured” notes about some topic, and while that is also open 24/7 np++ is always my go-to because “it just works” without having to care at all about formatting nor anything fancy.
Lots of mentions for Obsidian. I’ll throw in my favorite for the past few years that’s similar: Logseq! Check it out!
I just remember things.
Tell me your secret.
Decent memory I guess.
plaintext .txt
Pencil/paper
Standardnotes and Notesnook also good as well and they provide web app
I really love Obsidian. It is a perfect fit for my needs. I just hope they don’t do the creeping subscription bullshit like Evernote did. The $96 a year is reasonable for those who need it (I don’t need it).
Crossing my fingers that the usual greed doesn’t give them brain rot. I probably should have gone with Joplin, but I’m too invested in Obsidian at this point (and very happy with it). I guess if they do go over to the Dark Side, I could freeze it at the last good release for a while then switch.
I just save my notes to a network location (could be icloud, dropbox, gdrive etc.) which is a much cheaper (free) way to sync notes – love Obsidian
Can’t Obsidian export to a folder, and is anything missing when it does so? If not, at least they’ve got an escape hatch built in.
Even better, Obsidian notes are stored directly in folders on your device as plain text (markdown) files.
It’s all there, nothing missing, and no annoying proprietary format.Not only can you keep using them without the Obsidian application, you can even do so using a “dumb” text editor - though something that can handle markdown will give you a better experience.
That’s good to know, I thought as much, but I think I was confusing Obsidian for Joplin.
You’re probably fine for a while. My bet is that obsidian’s really happy with all the free advertising evernote’s been giving it