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‘FUCK SPEZ’: Reddit Users Unite to Turn r/Place Mural Into a Protest::Reddit’s collaborative art project seemingly has one overarching message to Reddit’s CEO.
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Maybe Lemmy should change their icon to this mural /s
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This fuckin’ guy is gonna burn it all down and somehow walk away with more money than I could earn in several lifetimes. There’s something intrinsically wrong with a system that so egregiously rewards such gross incompetence.
Where is the incompetence? His competency is dependent on making money for a specific few.
It has nothing to do with the outcome of the site, beyond how that outcome influences said making of money.
If the shareholders cash out happy and the site dies out, he did his job, regardless of whether or not you think that’s fair.
Yes, it sucks for the rest of us who liked Reddit. I am one of those people.
Saying this guy is incompetent just because his interests go against the interests of people who use Reddit is ludicrous.
The interests are in conflict, it sucks. That’s it. We have Lemmy. Get over it.
I would say that he is still incompetent after that, public image is important in the long term, and he completely ruined that.
He would have made far more by preserving it.
public image is important in the long term, and he completely ruined that.
It’s not important if the shareholders can net a specific amount in the short term that makes them happy.
He would have made far more by preserving it.
Well, that’s the thing. I’m saying as long as he meets a threshold that makes the shareholders/investors happy, then he’s competent.
Besides, the “public image” of the website has always been mediocre at best. Maybe 2 levels of quality higher than 4chan.
Remember, r/watchpeopledie used to be a subreddit. For a long, long time.
You’re basically saying he’s not incompetent if he finds a new bag holder.
I disagree. I think spez is trying his best. He isn’t simply trying to find a bag holder to dump reddit on.
please elaborate, most here disagree so mutch that they cannot see your perspective
Incompetent at not being a piece of shit
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. The fact that these articles are making fairly large headlines is proof enough that this event is backfiring.
A couple days of engagement traffic do not outweigh the negative PR and advertising impact from this event.
If you were a company, you might think twice before advertising on a site that has their users actively, publicly, and loudly trashing on the CEO. It says a lot that it’s happening in the first place. Says even more that they aren’t able to stop it.
Also, look at the activity numbers here. I’m not trying to trash on Lemmy, but we are a drop on the bucket. It’s far more effective for us to be visible and loud than silent and ignored.
For clarity sake, I’m not encouraging anyone to go do anything, nor the other way around. But if you want to, ignore the comments, saying that this is going to say, Reddit with traffic and engagement from you if you go. It clearly isn’t, and your loud protest is valuable. 
If you were a company, you might think twice before advertising on a site that has their users actively, publicly, and loudly trashing on the CEO.
Isn’t this just wishful thinking? Let’s be 100% real for a moment, those people posting fuck spez on r/place aren’t doing it because they’re moving or have moved to an alternative, they’re doing it because they are addicted to Reddit and can’t stop using it. The true protest is moving to an alternative like Lemmy.
If I’m an advertiser, all I see is a very captive audience. This isn’t like the Twitter situation, where your ads will be shown to increasingly objectionable content. In fact, with all the users begrudgingly downloading the official Reddit app, the value of advertising on Reddit may be going up not down.
That being said, Reddit has never been a good place for advertising outside of a few niches, and that hasn’t changed, so in the long run Reddit most likely won’t survive. But in the short run, I don’t think this is the victory lap.
There is no true protest. Let people react how they want. I don’t understand the gatekeeping on how to respond against spez. If you want to leave Reddit completely and stay on Lemmy, great. If others want to burn the site down in protest, that’s great as well. Why are so many people on Lemmy trashing people who similarly hate how Reddit is now? As if it would make a difference anyhow if they listened to you.
Because they’re fans of ostrich protesting, put your head in the sand and pretend the problem dissappears.
That or they’re the same content junkies who can’t seem to scroll past or block things that don’t interest them like some self hating masochist.
Especially with apps like memmy and avelon, the fediverse is much better than reddit will ever be. Now if only everyone knew about them. And reddit users just stopped using reddit.
Over the last few hours, many of the “FUCK SPEZ” drawings have started to be taken over by other image, causing users to suggest that Reddit admins are interfering with their art (there is no evidence so far that would prove this).
Except the fact that the over writing pixels all arrive in large blocks at the same time rather than individually like real users would place them, and also that they appear with no username attached to them like user placed ones?
They also went out of thier way to use the same checkerboard overwrites that they used on the guillotine, on a QR code that took people to a website promoting veganism.
(there is no evidence so far that would prove this).
i saw a (likely deleted) post saying there were pixels with no user names of those who changed it “aint that sus”
Ah, I actually did successfully scan the qr code to a website promoting veganism. It was Dominion.
QR code was a mistake and does not suite that use case. Changing a few spots would have corrupted the URL whereas a “Lemmy” sign would’ve been much better. Even with corrupted pixels, it would still be distinctly recognizable.
This is not true: QR codes have built in error correction, they are designed specifically for the purpose of working when many pixels are distorted
you need to configure it to “max” for the most protection and most size
QR codes have error corrections up to about ~30% error tolerance when using the highest error correction level
It’s worth noting the QR code from earlier went to this site and was not lemmy related
Ah, my mistake! I misunderstood when the post said “this site” I took it to mean “this site we are on” and I never bothered to check it.
I’ll edit my comment
Ah I can see that. I just wrote “this site” to keep the mystery of what the QR codes to a little alive like how it’s be if you scanned it
Why do people even participate after all this mess
Because they’re hopeful they can save the site through activism. What they forget is that they are not protesting a government, they are trying to stop a corporate entity from fulfilling it’s legal obligations to make money for it’s investors.
I think using the site you’re protesting against is peak slacktivism
Hey spez, screw you!
There’s nothing wrong with Reddit trying to be profitable. It should be profitable.
Apollo and Reddit Is Fun even had large subscriber bases willing to pay up to support our usage.
Reddit leadership is just really shitty. That is just the reality. Even if they wanted to be profitable, Spez simply doesn’t know how to get there.
No, community-owned efforts like Lemmy and Debian exist precisely because neither corporations nor governments are fit to run them.
there is a problem, in the same way your cat pees on your rug to mark territory, its instincts for marking are too strong and its higher reasoning is too weak to stop it. its when capitalism being an instinct, takes over higher brain functions is it a problem.
Why do they want to save the site? The leadership deserves to see it die.
isnt the point of the whole skizm to kill it? (site and IPO)
It’s kinda cozy on lemm.ee, I like it
Btw, do you guys also have JSON error when you try to upload some files for like a banner or something? Or is it just me?
Nah, I had the same issue too. It turned out to be the size of the banner, but I went through trial and error to get the right size because I couldn’t find any lemmy documentation for what the right size is.
What is the right size?
I don’t get it, if it’s so bad being on redit then don’t come. Or is it like those women in abusive relationships where their husband/boyfriend beats the shit out of her and she still crawls back to him and for some reason can’t imagine a life without him?
Because abusive relationships force people to stay in them for reasons people who haven’t been in that situation could never understand. Seems you haven’t been, so you drag people who have. Women, specifically. Fun!
I asked if those are related because I know that the second happens. But reading it back I agree I phased it very badly, sorry for that.
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we did it reddit!
Journals talking about it is a great thing, a pixel that holds 5 minutes will have a small impact, a jour Al that is indexed and appears when you write “Reddit” online, will have an even bigger impact
Pathetic the people that participate in this r/place, such protesting! wow! you’re so brave! You’re still giving reddit traffic btw…
please be patient, people cant know everything, teach them to stop but don’t jeer at them.
Okay I admit I was a bit harsh, but arghhh, sometimes it gets frustrating…
And yet this is probably good for reddit. They live on amount of engagement and you dummies just fell for it.
You can’t spend engagement. It’s not real.
But you can convince advertisers to give you money based on how much engagement the site gets and therefore how much engagement their ads are likely to get. ~Cherri
The admins can push whatever stupid numbers they want. People were not somehow tricked into giving the site a second wind, by turning this desperate exploitation of a beloved icon into a vulgar billboard against the fucker selling us out, or by dumping all the soon-to-be-stolen awards onto comments asking what the fuck he thinks he’s doing.
The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer. Any response, including no response, will be twisted around and treated as victory, because the person being condemned for making shit up gets to make shit up. There are no circumstances where they don’t go “Ah-HA!” There is no point scolding people for not doing the thing that would stop this, because that thing does not exist. People who care what’s real just have to deal with it and act in spite of it.
Reddit has the worst per-user stats of any social media site, by an order of magnitude… and the bump in engagement here is bluntly saying it’s time to leave.
If you run an ad blocker and no ads turn up when you browse , they they won’t get ad money from you. Negating the value of engagement.
You went there, generated content for them which is generating publicity. Other people, without ad blockers, are going there to see it …
Exactly, I’m fully expecting the admins to wipe out any undesirable things off the wall the second the timer runs out. And that’s the wall they’ll show to their investors.
Ya all weird as heck. People who decided to not leave reddit because that’s still their main content provided try to vent their anger in any possible way. And while there’s no thing like bad PR, according to the saying, the truth is that media coverage is underlining bad management from reddit side and how uncooperative it’s users became (they literally fight administration at this point ). So while reddit may have gained numbers in interaction, I don’t believe potential investors can simply omit all these news and quite evident burning of company.
I’d say if they ain’t gonna leave, doing this is the second best thing. Keep it up, redditors, keep it up.
