Filter to 1-star and note how many reviews are direct copies of each other - many referencing that the Obamas are executive producers.
For a few years now, I’ve purposely sought out movies and TV shows on RT and Metacritic with very high critic ratings, and super low user ratings.
The only time this really happens is if reviews are brigaded. If the user reviews were honest, it’s pretty rare that you’d see more than 20-30% difference between critic and user score (MAX). So when you see a critic score of 95%, and user score of 1.8/10, then I know I’m in for a good time. Same with games to a lesser degree.
I’m not even kidding, this is almost always a sure way to find a film or show I enjoy. In fact, I wish they’d introduce a “Controversial” category with things that have a big gap between critic and user scores (though when it goes the other way, that is high user score to super poor critic reviews, it’s almost always PureFlix-style Christian propaganda garbage).
Just to prove you wrong: 32% difference, and yes it’s objectively terrible. Even higher differences can easily occur organically without review bombing when critics happen to be smelling their own farts – which yes is what a definite 100% of those 37% critics who reviewed it positively were doing. I’m seriously worried about their mental state.
Ok… Finding one exception doesn’t really disprove anything. I don’t think I ever claimed that it was a hard rule that every movie fits into. Just a rule a thumb I use to find media that I otherwise might have missed.
Velma was absolutely review bombed. 39% is on par for what it is considering TV has on average higher rankings than movies do.
Be that as it may it’s still objectively terrible and has more than 30% difference, which was my actual point.
As to review bombing: It would likely not have caught so much flak if it was stand-alone and not a Scooby Doo reboot – then it would simply vanish alongside other terrible shows that few people ever saw and even fewer rated, with middling score because of course there’s always some people who like something for inexplicable reasons, and without attracting a larger audience those are pretty much the only people who vote because they’re the only ones who care.
But it had a brand name, it walks all over the original (and I don’t mean race swapping who gives a fuck, I mean thematically), is neither witty nor funny nor insightful so… yeah. No need for an organised campaign to draw ire, and if some racists spent time review-bombing it over the race swap then all the better: They wasted their time as noone likes it anyway.
I don’t buy that argument at all. It was entirely about changing the race of the characters and going after white men. Scooby Doo has been rebooted dozens of times and they just exist, they don’t make the originals worse. This new series is not a betrayal to the source material without Scooby anymore than the first time they had a real ghost. I don’t think I finished it, but it is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. The Pilot is, but that’s pretty typical especially with a cast full of non-voice actors recording during Covid. By episode two and three everything is better put together. I found it similar to a lot of current high school shows. Mindy received a ton of hate over it too, and she’s neither the show runner or writer of it. She was running two other shows at the same time so it’s hilarious how many idiots claimed she’s a no talent hack over it.
Can you give some examples? I’d love to discover some gems.
Word of warning - I usually find that movies on rotten tomatoes with low critic scores and high audience scores are hitting the midweek sweet spot for me. Low cerebral requirement, high distraction. If you get me.
Literally anything critical of Christianity (or anything that could even be perceived as critical of Christianity, we can’t actually expect them to watch it first).
I guess I should have kept better track over the years… Let me see if I can find a few.
An obvious one (video game though) that I can think of off hand is The Last of Us 2. Fantastic game, user scores brigaded everywhere “because gay/trans.”
In fact, I think The Last of US TV show was review bombed after episode 3. Again, “because gay.”
The TV show “The Watchmen” was brigaded by users (not sure if they’ve filtered those out, or if the score has been adjusted since, but when it originally aired, user scores were very very low due to review bombing). Anyone who’s seen the show could tell you exactly why that happened.
Here is an article about it happening to a film about the Armenian Genocide (I haven’t seen the film so I can’t say if it’s good, but I’m sure it doesn’t deserve 1-star)
I will have to try to keep track from now on. Sometimes it becomes a cultural moment, like with TLOU, but lots of times it goes under the radar, and a show/movie/game gets quietly fucked over by idiots on the internet who have no interest in even trying the media first.
I’ve found the same thing, critic scores are harder to use as predictors because there is too much variance between their individual special opinions about the importance of character development vs the average user enjoying a movie for what it is. Obviously crap is crap, but a 56% critic and 82% user score is usually more appealing than vice versa
Rotten tomatoes doesn’t get the average of all critics scores, they only look whether or not the review was positive or negative. It doesn’t look at their individual special opinions.
Their individual special opinions tip their score from ‘good’ to ‘bad’ for reasons that other people probably wouldn’t care about, is my point.
Yea I’m still surprised that people don’t understand this. The most mediocre film of all time can get a 100%.
Another example of a movie where the audience score is higher than the critic score is Tommy Wiseau’s The Room. Not sure if this applies in general to movies “so bad they are good” (though personally, at this point I believe Tommy knew what he was doing because he’s been able to repeat that “so bad it’s good” despite knowing how they are received, whereas if it was really driven by his ego, I’m sure that same ego would have forced him to change it up to get the critical acclaim the was supposedly chasing.)
I’m not really of the mind that a piece of media can be “so bad it’s good.”
I understand the sentiment, but I generally do not agree. Maybe “so bad that it’s fun to laugh at with friends,” but “good”? Nah.
To be honest, I agree with this. It would be more accurate to say, “so bad it’s entertaining”, but it’s generally laughs at the media rather than with it.
Though since I think Tommy did that deliberately, I would argue that “so bad it’s good” does apply to The Room. Though the ethics are a bit questionable because I don’t think he let any of his staff or cast in on the joke. I also suspect those sex scenes were real sex and one of the big motivators for the movie.
Sound of Freedom Comes to mind as a recently brigaded film. Trailer came up for me on Prime and I didn’t realize what it was. I don’t care how embellished the story is, what based on a true story isn’t? But Jim Caviezel‘s acting in the trailer is so bad I can’t imagine sitting through it.
I’ve had the opposite experience. I often find that studio cash grabs that rely on nostalgia or low-effort pandering get high critic reviews (which makes me feel like they were paid to do so) and only the user ratings rightfully trash it. Movie reviews seem to be getting a lot more like video games reviews, where a AAA studio shits out a piece of crap, but it’s proclaimed a 8-9 out of 10 by big review companies (looking right at you IGN). Only by listening to the fans or less mainstream reviewers do you get the real picture.
Yes, and those movies end up with a reasonable gap between the two scores. It will have a lower user score than critic score, but it’s only ever below 2 or 3 if it’s been brigaded. This can be easily confirmed by just reading a few of the user reviews.
Nostalgia has a bigger effect on user ratings than it does on critic reviews.
Only if it’s done right. If it’s done as merely a cash grab, most people can tell pretty quick. The new Super Mario Bros., or anything by Disney in the last 4 years are great examples. If you take out nostalgia, they’re pretty poor to mediocre movies. And I think most people are able to notice that.
Excellent movie. I only watched it because a friend referred to it as “that Obama movie that says don’t trust whitey” I figured that’s gotta be a must watch lol
Obama’s a terrible person who killed tens of thousands of civilians, we should be boycotting any new project he’s involved with. The man ought to be tried for war crimes.
While I don’t agree with a lot of Obamas policies, I do respect him as a person.
Can’t understand why. He’s a terrible person. He’s just Bush’s bloodlust dressed up in a more charismatic package.
Perhaps you should default to love instead of hate. It sounds like your just mad at everyone.
I think it’s ok to dislike people who murder thousands of civilians.
I think it’s rad to kill thousands of people you cunt
Name a president who didn’t kill people
You really running defense for empire?
“Name a president who didn’t kill people” isnt the dunk you think it is. Quite the opposite, it just makes the point that the US government is a murder cult and that regardless of who you vote for, you’re still supporting war, murder, and imperialism.
Correct
And that excuses him bombing a doctor’s without borders hospital?
No but are you boycotting everything ever and living in the arctic?
That’s a pretty huge leap from “Obama is a garbage human being and doesn’t deserve our support”
No it’s not. You’re boycotting anyone who killed people right? Why don’t you research some of the companies whose products you consume
He gonna be big mad when Monsanto enters the chat
You’re really going hard on the whataboutism, huh?
You’re really going hard on “Obama bad” eh? I’m just wondering where you draw the line. It’s impossible now so why choose this?
Sure have more, what about nestle? You eat chocolate these days?
Have you ever bought a movie ticket, DVD or streaming service with the sole intent to support a movie producer?
Do you still buy lostprophets albums?
Who?
“That guy is a murderer” “Have you considered that other people are also murderers” what’s your point.
Your FSB handler must be the type to reward activity instead of efficacy. Hope that Kremlin monopoly money is worth it.
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that’s all the maga and far right do… parrot each other ad infinitum
Correct, because they are incapable of actually thinking for themselves.
If they could, they wouldn’t be conservatives.
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I don’t think Netflix cares if you’re watching it, as long as you pay your subscription they are happy, and if you don’t watch anything it’s even better!
views == royalties. Views actually cut into their bottom line.
I’m missing something here, if they produce it and stream it, who would pay those royalties?
Royalties are paid to, potentially, a lot of people. Most a-list actors will get royalties with every dvd sold (and increasingly views on streaming services,) and such like.
ohhh okay, so it’s even better if nobody watches it?
for netflix, yes. I assume Obamas and others make more with every view. maybe a few cents…but still.
They would pay the “royalties”. It’s actually residuals, and it’s usually paid to the actors and senior crew (director, producers, etc), from what i understand.
maybe this sort of thing will be what biden does too
get in on office with promises to change things to the better and quarter ass the job get nothing done you promised on the campaign trail and when you are done leaving things worse than when you got in people still support you to do things such as produce films
democrats and republicans are definitely in the same bed on this
what about the anti vape laws obama signed in that trump supported that were also supported by biden helping to create the vape problem we have now such as shops selling whatever product with no evaluations or lab reports and stamping out the research needed for better products and that help exacerbate the current cannabis laws and policing laws as well
obama came in on empty promises just like trump and biden and watched sports games and fucked around his whole four years came out with more support after doing nothing and using that to still make money like obamas book
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true
obama did at least get more that he promised done but still at less than 50% and the damage done by his policies are still carrying on to today and he is using the clout he got doing it to expand his coffers wild people vote for this and yell support for blindly while being wounded by these politicians policies
Anti-vape laws have everything to do with a post-apocalyptic movie. You’ve connected all the dots!
Obama … like Trump
Yeah, though Obama did a shit tonne of things wrong, he actually worked quite hard on trying to get shit done, a lot of which, quite famously got stopped by republicans as he didn’t have the house.
Also, saying that Obama didn’t do anything LIKE TRUMP is just so painfully dumb. Trump is quite famous for -amongst things- spending like a quarter of his time on the golf course, something that can’t be said of Obama.
Obama was a imperfect president, Trump is a sick joke.
Fuck Putin.
I thought the movie was pretty good. The ending was a bit anticlimactic but maybe that was the point.
Nah just a bad movie.
It really could have benefited from a cohesive plot.
And less Ethan Hawke.
I actually liked it and was really surprised about it. It being a Netflix produced film and all that. It was definitely a vibes movie and it excelled at that. No dense plot needed here.
If I was going to leave a review (which I’m not), it would be one star because the ending sucked out loud, not because of any politics.
Okay but it is definitely a garbage movie. The plot is terrible. Come on, guys.
Eh, it wasn’t great, but far from “garbage”. There’s more than 2 scores.
Maybe if we act like little bitches and complain enough we’ll get a Snyder cut.
It was alright, suspenseful but I didn’t get the deer part
I have read that it somehow symbolizes nature trying to warn us about climate change or something but that doesn’t make sense to me.
I liked it, but I didn’t know it was produced by Obama when I watched it, so didn’t have any preconceptions.
Solid movie. Watched it a week ago. Had no idea who was behind it.
The movie is pretty bad tbh.
Here’s a great rundown / critique of that movie 😆
I wish that lady would stop the whispering ASMR voice. I find it so grating
My local trump trump supporter LOVED it and recommended I watch it. Despite the Obamas involvement (his words more or less).
He has the whole survivalist kink thing though.
The interesting part of your comment is missing. You’ve set up “a deplorable watched and liked it - even knowing the Obamas produced it” and it was recommended to you, by him.
So, did you watch it? Did you like it?
I cancelled Netflix and haven’t had time to setup a VPN to go sailing for it yet. Planning to after the holidays let up.
I also cancelled Netflix a few months ago. Already sailing, but still have to watch this.
I never heard about this movie before. Now I know it’s a post-apocalyptic movie (love those) made by Sam Esmail (he did Mr. Robot, which was terrific). I guess it also happened to be produced by the Obamas.
So congratulations, reviewers. You got me interested in seeing a movie I didn’t even know existed.
I saw it, didn’t know who produced or directed it
Don’t watch it, It had potential, I loved the main actors, but it sucked badly. Fair warning: possible spoilers below.
The music score is way too loud, and annoyingly weird. For example, rap music in a supposed suspense thriller movie at points that made no sense, then some romantic “there’s about to be sweet sex” music while somebody walks through a house, exploring it. It was annoying when I watched it, we then had it on as background noise to hide sex sounds and had to turn it off because it was so damned annoying.
The story literally goes nowhere, yet is all over the place. The ending leaves loads of opened threads unfinished, and it’s quite obvious that the writer(s) heard “cool” things yet failed to grasp the basics.
The microwave emitters they were talking about have ranges up to hundreds of meters, not the hundreds of square kilometers required to reach them in the middle of nowhere.
The airplane crashing was supposed to be cool but one had already crashed many hours before, why was this one still in the air? Also, you can’t really “hack” airplanes to go down, pilots can easily take over.
The Tesla’s famously can’t drive themselves like they do in the movie
The kid would get acute radiation sickness from those microwave attacks? Oh come on. And then the rest of them are unaffected, somehow? And then they go get medicine? What medicine? The kid as shown is dying an agonizing death within two weeks, you can get him painkillers, perhaps.
What the fuck was up with the deer? What was that supposed to do? You could cut all the scenes and nothing would change.
What’s up with the girls addiction to friends? It literally ends the movie somewhere in the middle or something because so many questions are left, so many threads opened that aren’t brought to a satisfying conclusion.
The writers had a cool idea yet had no idea what to do with it. 1.5 stars out of 5, it was a waste of my time
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Yeah keep an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out.
I have no issues with suspension of disbelief, I watch star trek (only the non trash classic ones from 20-30 years ago) and it sets up it’s rules within that universe and tries following them. This movie just went all over the place without any rules, it made no sense and then at one point you simply can’t suspend disbelief anymore.
What the hell was it with the deer?
The ending was shit, whatever you want to call it. Half the plot threads were still open, but now the girl finally gets to watch her friends episode which she wanted and that somehow is an ending? Wtf?
What was with the different flyers being thrown around? Like they opened threads left and right and then… Did nothing with it.
All that together still would have made a mediocre movie that had so much more potential, but the music, dear god, it was invasive and intrusive and even an annoyance when it was on in the background.
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Fair warning: possible spoilers below.
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i don’t like that a former president is producing a postapoc movie with the way the world is going right now. does he know something we don’t.
Yes. He knows how to make money as a movie producer. Presumably, you don’t.
it’s a joke lighten up
Anything post apocalypse is on my list. Idk what it is, I just love the setting.
I usually enjoy them. I’ve been watching them since all the way back to my childhood in the 80s when I spent my life terrified of nuclear war and yet still fascinated by the post-apocalyptic.
I actually liked it. it’s a really cool / scary atmosphere. I was surprised by how much i liked it as it’s been ages since i even dared to watch a Netflix-produced movie.