Is no one else going to blame an overly specific minimum wage? I couldn’t find anything too specific but in California, it looks like:
- fast food minimum wage: $20/hr, going to $22
- gig drivers: $15/hr
Of course they’re going to outsource drivers, This looks like a nice Christmas gift to UberEats/DoirDash
This is what’s so annoying. I had literal arguments with both people online and IRL about this massive jump in minimum wage and how it would have this exact effect. I was told over and over that it didn’t work like that, that people needed a livable wage, etc. My argument was that not all work has equal value and that minimum wage jobs aren’t intended as jobs you raise a family on. They’re a stepping stone as you enter the workforce and begin to develop/gain skills to be able to do work which has more value. With the insane increase in fast food minimum wage only one of two things will happen. Option one is that the price of the food shoots up and can no longer be competitive. Why would you pay $30 for fast food when you can go to an actual restaurant and get better quality for the same price? This leads many of these fast food joints to close and with it the jobs. Option two is that companies find ways to cut services and/or automate to offset the increased cost. The end result here is that once again the jobs go away.
I would love to have a proponent of this explain to me how no jobs is preferable to lower paying jobs. As a highschool kid, I was grateful to have my minimum wage job.
I can’t for the life of me think that this will be good for them though. Food delivery services are notoriously shitty/slow. If I order a pizza and have to wait for an intendent person to come pick it up and deliver it when ever is convenient for them? Thats not gonna work for me… and I would be loud and boisterous to the company.
In an alternate timeline where restaurants never thought to offer delivery (or regulated against it…since objectively it is kind of strange how we do it now), but did offer takeout, I’d expect private food courier services would have thrived. Especially in denser areas.
Even in an era before DoorDash and internet, it’d be a call-center/concierge style.
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They should create incentive by taxing the shit out of businesses and offering tax breaks for actually offering living wages and benefits to their employees. If the “correct” answer in capitalism is to find the cheapest solution,
I think this is a novel idea and an interesting thought experiment.
If we passed this federally, I think it’s most likely we see an outsourcing - to ourselves. With the market floor raised so high across the board, distortionary effects would then kick in and what I posit we’d see is a shitload of both business and consumer flight to rural areas.
Prices for rent, obviously, would go through the fuckin roof. This would cause a mass exodus to surrounding areas, but I think business investment would actually beat them, because if you’re paying 60k/year anyway, you may as well put your facility in the cheapest possible location.
Businesses are already shifting toward being physically close to their suppliers/major logistics hubs, to save cost elsewhere, so big “shipping towns” (which are, essentially, a few big wholesale distributors and nothing else) could see massive investment.
What’s weird for me is that this may actually help our housing situation in the medium term, as explosive growth in these areas even out demand hotspots.
Idk about high raises in labor market floors to predict much beyond that, but it’s something I’ll definitely check out.
These aren’t completely pie-in-the-sky proposals, either. Simply tying maximum compensation for publicly owned companies would start this kind of a chain rolling, in a smaller way, I think. Labor prices would jump ludicrously just from the amount of low-skill labor employed by major companies.
Inflation would be bonkers and you can’t raise interest rates too fast or you basically nuke your economy, so how this plays out for the average joe is anyone’s guess. Fun to think about tho
But also gig drivers aren’t getting the minimum. Uber and Lyft promise you’ll make the minimum through the ride fares if you work a whole hour. But that doesn’t happen. Many people don’t notice because the pay is distributed across the rides but some have actually done the math with their daily totals. They also just lost a court case about paying mileage, so they not have to reimburse mileage they weren’t doing before.
With a business climate like that it’s no wonder everyone else is jettisoning delivery drivers. The rideshare companies are getting away with murder by comparison.
Who the fuck eats at Pizza Hut these days? Good riddance tbh.
Yeah, overpriced shit imo.
Papa Johns is the only 1 of the big 3 that maintained their quality.
At least Dominos is cheap.
Pizza hut is both expensive and bad.
Yeah, but fuck Papa John’s:
Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter Says Company Will Reduce Workers’ Hours In Response To Obamacare. In the wake of President Obama’s reelection, one CEO is doubling down on his criticisms of Obamacare. Papa John’s CEO John Schnatter said he plans on passing the costs of health care reform to his business onto his workers.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/papa-johns-obamacare-john-schnatter_n_2104202
That asshat isn’t in charge anymore.
He hasn’t had anything to do with the company for years. His departure coincided with the company updating the menu as well, as he blocked all efforts to expand it.
Once he was ousted, they started offering different crust options (stuffed, ‘NY’ style, etc.).
I mean, fuck all corporations if we’re judging them based on how they maximize profit.
PJ is the worst tasting sugar overloaded pizza. Literally inedible.
It isn’t even the cost that sucks. It’s the food. The food tastes terrible
Domino’s in my region built a dough manufacturing facility and changed their sauce a few years ago.
It’s been good since. Not the best, but absolutely good enough for the guys when watching the game or for a quick meal for the kids when needed.
I like Domino’s. I would go there at least once a week when they had a 3-topping large takeout deal for $8. When they changed it to 1-topping, I stopped going.
Papa John’s is better for quality, but it’s also more expensive. Some locations would have a 2-topping $8 large carryout deal, but they were rare and I don’t think any of them do it anymore.
Papa John’s laid off people because of Obamacare then donated to the Trump campaign.
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Pizza Hut is throwing away financial independence. Get locked into the one or two private delivery companies. End up like vendors on Amazon. Oh well.
Getting less business will surely help with the wage increases.
Pizza restaurants with delivery drivers frequently make 75% of their business through delivery. Let’s assume they will lose all of that business - because they just did. So they are decreasing gross revenues by 75%. Bravo.
makes sense. I’ve noticed since covid a lot of places use Doordash drivers instead of delivery drivers now. It’s cheaper and the extra cost goes to the customer
Yep. I avoid anything that uses it. We basically have one restaurant that we occasionally use. DoorDash has ruined the delivery industry.
Especially the part where if its their driver and something goes wrong? They have to do something about it.
If it’s a third party? “You’ll have to take it up with them, and they will tell you to take it up with us, no you’re not getting a refund.”
yay cold food
Cold food, yes, but you get to pay more for it.
Near me it basically was a convenient way for greed to run rampant.
Before the pandemic, delivery meant “your order + delivery fee + tip for driver”.
The last time I attempted to order delivery it was my order ($30 minimum) + delivery fee + packaging fee (charging for the disposable containers and forks and stuff) + third party delivery service fee + tip for driver + tip for restaurant staff + delivery service peak time upcharge.
I only wanted a $20 entree, but by the time I added a few apps to get to the delivery minimum and added all the fees up with the tips, it was getting to be over $65 for one meal.
So I cancelled and cooked my own damn dinner.
I’ve done this many times. I gave up on deliveries.
Take out
When has anyone ever driven to a pizza hut? I remember do so as a child but now pizza hut seems like a definite delivery thing.
I honestly thought they all closed down until my work ordered some like six months ago.
Until then I hadn’t seen a restaurant or heard of anyone getting it delivered.
I just sort of assumed they went out of business or something.
Edit: even the pizza box looked like something from the past.
If I’m going to order pizza for delivery, pizza hut is one of the last places I’m going to choose.
the only time i ever went to a pizza hut was back in 80s as a kid to get my Book It! personal pan pizza.
There used to be a PIzza Hut 5 minutes from my house. I would drive there to pickup to save on delivery costs.
However, they closed down and the closest one is an hour away… Not driving that far, lol.
Many small towns still have full service sit down pizza huts. Big for local schools.
I’ve literally never gotten Pizza Hut delivered. Maybe it’s a Europe vs US thing but to me it’s a sit-down restaurant.
Must be a Europe vs us thing… Here it’s been mostly delivery for over a decade
*2 decades. /so old now
The one in your town doesn’t allow sit down since covid. Shame, the buffet was what I liked about it.
Yeah the Pizza Hut lunch buffet is a solid deal!
They used to all be that way in the US too, but over the last few decades they have changed to all delivery
It’s s different experience. One day colleagues decided to order Pizza Hut. It was raining she’s they didn’t want to go out. I opted to get a pizza at a restaurant instead.
I must admit here in Europe it’s not common to order Pizza Hut. And it seems in our local shop they aren’t used to doing it since I had the time to sit down and eat, walk back and my colleagues haven’t had their delivery arrive yet. Could have been just bad luck.
In the US Pizza Hut was mostly a sit down restaurant until the 80s/90s when they started focusing more on delivery. Sometimes you can still find the sit down ones that have been there for 30+ years in rural areas because the land cost isn’t as big of a concern.
I drive to a local one all the time for the carry out only special. There’s usually a line for pick up.
In the early 80s Pizza Hut used to be sort of like a normal restaurant… they usually had standalone buildings (which now have mostly been turned into other restaurants) rather than spots in strip malls, with a seating area. You could order a pizza or sandwiches and eat with your family, and they had a salad bar back when salad bars were kind of a hot trend. This persisted into the 2000s especially in smaller areas.
That’s what I remember from being born in mid eighties and grew up in the 90s
I am way too cheap to pay for delivery so I always pick up or dine in.
It’s not delivery. It’s Pizza Hut.
FYI: They’re part of Yum! Brands : KFC Pizza Hut Taco Bell Banh Shop (minority investor) The Habit Burger Grill
I will continue to boycott their “foods”.
I think you’re better off sticking to local.
You had me until The Habit. I will die for their pineapple teriyaki burger. Can’t get anything like it anywhere near me.
And Yum Brands is owned by PepsiCo.
Oh my god no wonder they have shit sodas
Heresy! Pepsi is my sugar poison of choice!
Not since about 25 years ago. It was spun off from PepsiCo in 1997. And in fact it was not called Yum until sometime later than that – it was never Yum under PepsiCo.
Edit to add: I still don’t go there, of course.
I didn’t know they scooped up The Habit. I love The Habit. Rest is crap. Which means they’ll ruin The Habit soon
Habit started out so good and now it tastes like ‘optimized supply chains’ like all the other shit places.
Taco Bell was the last holdout with their $1 beef burrito (which was actually a double beef burrito)
They removed it and added shittier $2 items with less beef and more bullshit. Idiots ate that shit up, so we’re left with expensive garbage.
KFC, lol. So fucking overpriced and it’s shitty chicken anyways.
Honestly, with all the grocery delivery options, eating out just doesn’t make sense these days. I haven’t eaten out in almost a year since I got Walmart+.
since I got Walmart+
There’s something really disappointing about reading that.
Your body thanks you
Damn for a company that’s been shutting down locations I’d think it be cheaper to pay their employees better than lose all those customers. My state alone has seen them shut down nearly every location.
Happy New Year, everyone!
No one out fires the Hut.
Sadly, very nearly everyone out pizzas the Hut these days. However, if I could have one meal from the 90s, dine-in Pizza Hut would be a finalist, at least. Whatever microplastics they used in those classy red cups made the soda taste better. And the stained glass light fixtures gave it the refinement of a 1,000 year old church in Europe.
How far they’ve fallen.
Enjoyed the salad bar as a kid and the little arcade after soccer games.
I too remember it through the nostalgic lense of Pizza-Hut-cup-tinted glasses. And with the Book-It program, there was even more reason to keep asking my parents to take a trip there!
Oh no! Whatever will these minimum wage employees do now that literally anywhere else will pay them more?
This is an outrage.
They will continue to not get my business. But now it’s on moral grounds and not just because they have the shittiest pizza I’ve ever had the displeasure of eating.
They could have just focused on providing a better delivery experience, instead they’re going to let uber drivers deliver cold pizza with the wrong soda.
It was not a good move on their part.
After winning on Prop 22, Uber/Lyft guaranteed drivers $13/hr. I’m not sure where the likes of Uber Eats/Grubhub stand in comparison, but even if we assume they’re also at $13/hr, that’s a full ‘federal minimum wage’ less than the Pizza Hut drivers would need to be paid. For doing literally the same job but with way, way worse benefits (e.g., having to provide your own insurance).
It’s actually insane. Prop 22 is a travesty.
$20/hr isn’t even what I would consider a living wage in California, and Pizza Hut is here proudly admitting they were paying their drivers substantially less than that. But the deliveries will still happen, just to even worse-paid people. It’s a crazy cycle of abuse of labor.
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And they are going to charge for it. I hate pizza places that have done this. It’s at LEAST $20-$30 more now to get delivery.
Yeah. It’s pretty bad. It’s the good pizza places that do that, too.
Honestly, that’s not much difference from how it’s been
It has been getting worse.
Out of curiosity, did you send that message recently or a day or two ago? My inbox says it’s been like 20m. Looking at the thread it says 2 days.
Definitely at least a day 🤔
I wonder if instances just take time to federate all content across to each other
With higher delivery fees! Why on earth would anyone even order Pizza Hut after this? If I’m paying obscene delivery fees and jacked up menu prices through doordash or whoever anyway, I’m getting better food than that. Or just eating at home like I end up doing every time I look at the total from one of those services.
It doesn’t even make sense as sure, Uber doesn’t pay drivers much and Pizza Hut won’t have to employ them, but customers will have to pay more. So Pizza Hut could have just said “due to increases in wages we have to implement a delivery fee”, and actually paid their drivers. They’d rather do this dramatic ‘omg we have to fire them’ thing though.
Its a punitive measure. Our lords want to send the message that further wage legislation will not be tolerated.
Oh no, whatever shall we do if they put themselves out of business?!
Boomers keep threatening the collapse of the fast food market, “no one wants to work anymore”. Like they think anyone is going to miss the absolute shit that is fast food. Why are we supposed to care?
Sucks to be them when they refuse to pay for any staffing and close.
“In retaliation we shall destroy their Pizza Hut. Let us see how the uppity peasants like that!”
Not aboutdestroying, its about directing anger back to the working class. Its a look what you made me do for standing up for yourself.
I agree. It might make financial sense for them as far as reducing payroll and management costs, but it seems just as likely to reduce their sales by as much as that saves. To me it feels like a political statement “how dare you expect us to pay employees!” where they pretend it’s not possible for them to make it work. Which is fine. If a business depends on paying subsistence slave wages, it should just close.
You are vastly overestimating the brain dead American population that will see the higher price, order delivery anyway, and then stop thinking about it.
Like, they just don’t think about how it will affect their finances at all. People order takeout and delivery every day without a second thought.
To be clear I am not victim blaming the poor, but we are beyond late stage capitalism here. They won.
No. In the days you maybe added $3 to an order for delivery and added a tip. Now you pay a $5 delivery fee and tip plus 20%-30% markup. They cornered and ruined the market and only those with too much money will simply not care.
This is a defeatist take and while the answer isn’t a super simple “just tell people to not order out and cook more” we can definitely do more to help people stop relying on eating out and fast food.
Except that’s not what’s happening at all. Go look at Just Eats stock price after aquiring grub hub for a few billion. Turns out, people actually do scoff at the delivery price of these services.
I’ve only ordered from the big ones to avoid fucky delivery services. It just eliminates the point of it.
Why on earth would anyone even order Pizza Hut after this?
More money than sense.
Businesses have long realized it’s easier and cheaper to rip off a smaller group of wealthier customers.
Seriously. I don’t see why companies that were already paying for delivery drivers (eg, the chain pizza companies) don’t sell their delivery services as a value add. When I order a pizza from DoorDash, it doesn’t come wrapped in an insulated carrier and so often arrives cold. I’m not sure what else they could throw in but they’re just tossing it (no pun intended).
I’m also curious as to the numbers on this. I don’t know if this was done after a full evaluation of raising delivery service fees or other ways of addressing it, but the fact that they’re doing it in all of California instead of keeping it in markets like SF or LA makes me think it was a petulant act rather than a rationally justified one.
This is why I won’t order pizza from places that use a sub contracted delivery. It gets here like shite. No thanks.
This is so weird to me because pizza is one of the few things I actually order for delivery… there isn’t much around here other than 3rd party services, which I don’t use because I’m rural and the way it works here is just gross. Had 6 come in for the same failed order while I was out on Tuesday (menu wasn’t open for that item but it was ordered through another platform, and 6 people came asking for it for the same order because of how the platform works). I can’t imagine actually working there.
But I suppose in more urban areas, pizza hut is competing with actually good food also on delivery (for a very steep markup people are apparently willing to pay or the services would die), so it’s no surprise they can’t compete on their own; and still also turn record profits. Heaven forbid they die in the region. 🙂
Right? Just charge me $5 for delivery and pay your drivers a decent wage.
Just as a clarification (not a defense) from someone that drives for DoorDash - every time the driver picks up a pizza order, they are required to provide photo proof that they own a pizza bag. I’m not saying this forces drivers to use them, but they have to upload different pics of their pizza bags sometimes with every pickup.
Edit: autocorrect
The reason you have to do this is because you drivers are notorious for having absolutely zero standards and a solid “idgaf” attitude.
Give them a low rating, then. Hardly anyone leaves ratings, and a 1 star could easily tank them below the 4.2 rating they need to avoid their account being deactivated. I’ve done over 600 runs and only 35 have left any kind of rating, for example. Super easy to tank the average.
Oh, I had no idea. Thank you for the clarification!
If it even comes at all. I had several just disappear driving all over town and never show. Last one I got a bag of soup. That’s the plastic bag, with spilled bowl of soup, leaking out of said bag. Never again
Right? It’s pretty bad. A lot of the food drivers don’t really speak English, either, so you’re kind of fucked in some way each time you order.
(I don’t mind immigrant uber drivers, but it’s a pain when there are food issues and they can’t understand you.)
