The animating concept behind the Trump campaign will be chaos. This is what history shows us fascists do when given the chance to participate in democratic political campaigns: They create chaos. They do it because chaos works to their advantage. They revel in it, because they can see how profoundly chaos unnerves democratic-republicans—everyone, that is, whether liberal or conservative, who believes in the basic idea of a representative government that is built around neutral rules. Fascism exists to pulverize neutral rules.
So they campaign with explicit intention to instill a sense of chaos. And then comes the topper: They have the audacity to insist that the only solution to the chaos—that they themselves have either grossly exaggerated or in some cases created!—is to vote for them: “You see, there is nothing but chaos afoot, and only we can restore order!”
The illusion of choice: vote for a senile old man or a senile old man that would consider turning minorities into Big Macs because he is hungry
Hey man, just look at China, the much darker truth is that in many parts of the world, senile old men run things, your freedom, dreams and purpose is largely meaningless to them unless they’re very close to you or you’ve shown that you also care about their freedom and the well-being of their future offspring.
For a lot of older people, a certain cynicism comes with wisdom, and you’re just like everyone else, a cog in the wheels of a big system. For America and China, where in many parts it’s essentially still a mafia state, this is even more pronounced for people that come into positions of power at an older age as they’re even more experienced at the real life equivalent to GTA politics.
The only real upside is that it’s not as bad as the middle east still but hey that’s a low bar for most that consider war and civil society to be two separate states of existence
Don’t forget, both those old men want Genocide in Palestine. I’m hoping more people vote 3rd party this year
I don’t think either of them cares much about the middle east or Israel much. If anything they both look at Benjamin the same way Xi looks at the DPRK guy.
Just old upstarts with bones to pick over
I’m hoping more people vote 3rd party this year
Why would that accomplish something in 2024 when it didn’t accomplish anything with Nader in 2000 or Perot in 1992? The Democrats and Republicans will really definitely for sure learn their lesson this time for realsies?
Nobody learned any lessons. If they did Trump wouldn’t have been elected let alone be allowed to run again after provoking an insurrection to stay in power. I want to see viable 3rd party challenges that can make for actual change in how this current system work. People need options that don’t completely suck
How do you expect to see a viable third party challenge in the US with our current system? All third parties do is get the major party most opposed to their position elected because it don’t matter jack shit if 51 people vote against Orange Hitler if 3 of them vote ‘Principled Third Party’, leaving only 48 people to vote for the major party candidate opposed to Orange Hitler. Orange Hitler wins 49-48-3, and all 51 people who didn’t want Orange Hitler get stuck with him because 3 didn’t want Grandpa Joe. Leave off with the Rebellion for now, and spend your effort on replacing First Past the Post. Until you do that, all you’ll do is ensure we get Orange Hitler.
I want to see viable 3rd party challenges that can make for actual change in how this current system work.
Who would this viable third party challenger be and why would they be able to make actual change when neither Perot nor Nader could?
Don’t strawman the idea of 3rd party candidates. Just fall in line is not really a healthy mindset if change is desirable. Humans could never fly until they actually tried
Very sadly we just aren’t in a climate for third party candidates to do anything. I would suggest getting involved with ranked choice voting advocacy groups if you really believe in it.
This is the perfect climate for it. Teach the Democrat voters that these Zionist Nazi foreign agents have no place in politics. Either they all join in third party voting or they’ll keep losing to Republicans.
Trump winning again isn’t going to change anything. The “he’s a dictator and never going to step down” fear mongering from last time turned out to be complete BS.
Nothing will ever change if you guys keep acting like scared chickens refusing to vote for anything other than Democrats.
Democrats are the controlled opposition, nothing more.
…which will only help the fascists and put donnie into power.
Someone in another thread asked me what was the difference between coalition governments and two party systems. This is it. You should never be forced to vote against a candidate, yet that has been the US for the last several elections and will continue to be the US for the foreseeable future. Unless Trump wins, then the last vestiges of democracy in the US will fall pretty hard as Trump and associates continue to stuff cronies into government and finishing what they started during his first presidency while Europe and Asia likely fall to military conflicts.
The while calling Biden senile thing is pretty worn out. It’s not true and it only helps Trump. Yeah, he’s old, but Biden is sharper now than Trump was 30 years ago.
the he’s better than Trump thing is worn out. Don’t worry I’ll vote for grandpa Joe, I mean, what choice do I have?
What about the 40 beheaded babies that Biden saw photographic evidence of?
Biden is the dullest tool in the shed.
You think Biden is a duller tool than the guy who suggested injecting beach to fight COVID and wanted to nuke a hurricane?
No they won’t. I’m still not hearing of any credible candidates the Democrats are putting forth.
3 Candidates. Just, 3 candidates.
Help us all.
“We live in a Democracy!”
“I need to wait to see who they put forward for me to vote for…”
True only in theory
The DNC (and RNC) both operate as businesses in practice and will put forth oppositions in specific races that are more advantageous for specific donors. These backed members are heavily funded the up winning most the time, despite often being worse candidates.
Recently Tim Burchet was threatened by the RNC to heavily fund an opposition in his next race and he upset the military industrial complex donors attempting to pursue the UAP investigation SCIF.
Also pretty visible in 2016 when Bernie was leading the Democratic primary race until the DNC backed Hilary which massively turned the entire race. You can argue that she would’ve won anyways, which is a fair argument. But the reason it wasn’t close was the DNC backing.
If we can absolve all lobbying then I’ll agree that we live closer to a democracy, but right now we’re very plutocratic.
I love how it’s the dem’s responsibility to keep conservatives from destroying the country - oh wait, no, it’s been that way since bush ran the economy into the shitter, er, no, not that bush, the other bush & reagan. Somehow conservatives always present some kind of existential threat to the democracy that’s the left’s job to fix again and again.
It looks the same from the other side.
did Clinton drive the economy into the shitter? Or Obama?
Pray tell how the country’s been left in crisis by dems. Did Carter wreck the economy just before Reagan took office?
explain.
I’m not saying the other side’s perspective is at all based on reality…it just looks the same, purely appearances because they’re…born vaginally.
Short Answer: No
Long Answer: I’m prepared for the Republicans to do the most blatantly illegal and immoral thing to steal the election, for Democrats to wave their finger if they feel an “aww shucks” isn’t good enough, and for Democracy to die so Decorum may live… and for the Media to pretend it’s not happening while they parrot “BoTh SiDeS”, Comedians will call it as it is, but that’ll be the extent of it.
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I’m tired of every election being the most important election. I want politics to be boring again, less evil too if possible.
If politics were ever boring or less evil, it’s because you weren’t paying attention or engaged. Every upcoming election will always be the most important. Simply because all the others have happened, and the remainder are too far off and nebulous.
Ask all the people suppressed, attacked, and assassinated in the 50s and 60s fighting for civil rights. All the ones since then too. It didn’t magically become perfect. Or all the people brutalized by robber barons before as they fought for unions, weekends, reasonable hours, and basic safety.
Being disengaged from politics is a luxury and a privilege that most people can’t afford. Which explains why we’re in such a deficit. With so much of the American population chomping at the bit for fascism again. And much of the rest of the world close behind. Putin in Russia, Orban in Hungary, Milieu in Argentina, etc etc etc. We’ve been asleep at the wheel, enabling the worst people among us.
It might be a few elections before that happens. There’s political turmoil and fascists have a chance so they’re gonna keep going for it until republicans understand they cannot possibly win anything with fascism
Too late for that.
I… I just want to get back to the days when the internet kept our attention with porn and stupid browser games… is that so much to ask!? Is it so terrible to expect congress to be no more exciting and no less humane than any other day at any other workplace??
You landed in the wrong timeline.
Yeah the problem is that wide reaching policy changes is hard to sell on a country wide scale
I want politics to be boring again, less evil too if possible.
When exactly is this better time you want to regresses to supposed to be? Because I’m not young, and I do not remember a time where this was true.
Republicans are pushing for fascism, and Democrats like not having to do anything but be second worst to fascists.
How common are faithless electors?
Not very. The real problem is straight up fake electors. With the State Secretary office sending a legitimate group and the legislature sending another.
All they need to do is stall that process long enough to either toss the election into Congress or have SCOTUS illegally intervene again
The real problem is no one votes. It’s the bare minimum level of effort. It’s the participation trophy. They can do all that because we put them there with embarrassingly bad voter turnout. We spend more time complaining than actually voting.
All of those problems are the symptoms of an unrepresentative government, and a government tends to represent the people who vote for them. If no one votes, they’ll listen to the highest bidder.
How willing is the system to punish them? And if not the system, how willing are the people?
My question is a statistical inquiry. Your question is a bit more complex, I’m not even sure what that data would look like.
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If Genocide Joe doesn’t step down I hope you all have the slightest morals left and vote third party instead of this Nazi enabler.
A lot of wackos around the world have been winning elections, so we shall see.
Democrats still don’t know who they will be running against - since the polling needed to determine that are not “likely Iowa caucus goers” but “likely Trump jurors”. We don’t want to be like the Republicans in 2008 who were completely prepared to take on and tear down a Hilary Clinton nominee, only to find themselves fighting Obama.
If the Republican nominee is anyone but Trump, we’ll see Trump run as an independent and split the vote.
🤞🏻
Call me a pessimist, not not likely. Trump’s narcissism is only dwarfed by his laziness. If he doesn’t win the nomination, he may still run to try to stay out of jail. But he will absolutely not run if he’s going to be pardoned and protected by a fascist leader of his choosing, and can relax into a kingmaker role with all of the prestige and none of the responsibilities.
Him running from jail while competing against a candidate that isn’t popular with the MAGA nuts, would be the ideal outcome.
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I would hate to see how that voter turnout would affect all the downballot elections.
If the democrats were prepared Biden wouldn’t be on the ballot
He’s the incumbent. The last incumbents to not be reelected were Trump and HW Bush. Tell me again why Biden is unelectable.
Because Biden is a lot closer to HW Bush than he is to Obama. One of the reasons he got the nod in the first place was his promise not to run for re-election. And where we are now is why.
Biden specifically said he would not promise to serve one term.
Oh bullshit he said that once while telling everyone around him that he was a one term president. And he continually referred to himself as a transition president or a stopgap bridge to the next generation.
The message was received by voters.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129
Another top Biden adviser put it this way: “He’s going into this thinking, ‘I want to find a running mate I can turn things over to after four years but if that’s not possible or doesn’t happen then I’ll run for reelection.’ But he’s not going to publicly make a one term pledge.”
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A top Biden adviser said Biden ruled out a one-term pledge when the issue was raised before he even entered the race. “He said it was a nonstarter,” the adviser said, adding that Biden believed it was a “gimmick.”
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In April [2019], when asked whether he would serve just one term, Biden responded, “No.” More recently, Biden has been ambiguous. In October, The Associated Press reported that when “asked whether he would pledge to only serve one term if elected, Biden said he wouldn’t make such a promise but noted he wasn’t necessarily committed to seeking a second term if elected in 2020.”
Even in your own quotes.
People don’t think he does enough. And “his son”. Basically it’s to just be edgy. Dude has taken a shit show and make it resemble an office again.
How about we get a president that isn’t over 70 and doesn’t require uppers to function, like biden, or literal adult diapers, like trump.
Both options are garbage and both men need to retire.
I don’t know who
newrepublic.comis, and I’m no fan of Israel and its homicidal reactionism right now, but if you think that there’s any chance at all that this is going to make me vote for a goddamn insurrectionist sociopath over the guy I occasionally have policy disagreements with, you are an absolute waste of oxygen.Username check sout
vote biden because trump is a fascist
biden and obama chained a presidential candidate to chair for eight hours so she could not debate with the democrats and republicans
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/jill-stein-2012-debate-arrest-hofstra-university/
and now who you get to vote for will be decided by your state
During the campaign, Stein repeatedly said that there were no significant differences between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama. She said, “Romney is a wolf in a wolf’s clothing, Obama is a wolf in a sheep’s clothing, but they both essentially have the same agenda.” She called both of them “Wall Street candidates” asking for “a mandate for four more years of corporate rule”.
how was she wrong
The electoral system in the US has been going increasingly downhill. It’s sad that it also affects the rest of the world as well.
