Yeah, well it’s only a matter of time before the mods and administrators turn this into a sterile, uninteresting, unfunny, sad hellscape of small people banning users who don’t agree with every facet of their personal self-delusion.
Kbin, on the other hand, has too many issues.
No offense to Kbin’s developer Ernest, who is working hard, but Kbin is still in alpha stage, and it often has server errors (in fact, kbin.social is down right now, and it has been for the whole day), and the userbase and engagement are far behind Lemmy. There are also federation problems between Kbin and Lemmy sometimes. Kbin is also trying to be a more all-in-one product, with both microblogging and forums, and the users there like to have both, which is fine, but Reddit users are mostly forum users and they seem to prefer Lemmy more.
It was not fully down and this completely ignores the issues that Lemmy had when they updated to the next version a while back. Really unnecessary bashing.
But I realized later that this was a misunderstanding on my part, and that this is not an issue as long as the project is open source, with an open development, and as long as you avoid instances like lemmygrad.
Totally not suspicious, but at the minimum a bit ignorant on how open source software development typically goes. And it isn’t just Lemmygrad, but even their allegedly more moderate main instance Lemmy.ml, which is really just more of the same as far as users and moderation issues go. More problematic is the fact though that you’re still supporting the devs and their problematic views simply by supporting their software and its development by directly using it, and this won’t change until a proper fork from actually decent people is going to become the main used Lemmy software.
And overall, no one won this, because the whole protest was a failure as way too many people just remained on Reddit.
Lemmy itself is good, but if we’re talking about instances, I fucking despise lemmy.world, as it’s as shitty as Reddit!
I can barely wait that this instance (alongside its admins) goes to shit! (⌐■_■)
I do my best to tell about Lemmy and explain what the Fediverse is with my surroundings. Lots of people don’t even know about the existence of Lemmy/Kbin or the Fediverse yet. I try not to be pushy like a Arch Linux user but overall I’m doing my part !
Replacing “Lemmy” with “Fedderverse” would behoove you, OP. Sincerely, A Kbin user.
but I heard kbin users eat shoes!
The Reddit post specifically mentions Kbin and why the OP prefers Lemmy. Mentioning Lemmy specifically and not the Fediverse/Threadiverse is the point
Ernest has fixed a whole lot of the issues today, but I wouldn’t recommend kbin at the exact moment, lol. Not that these issues have made me feel like going anywhere else.
What do you recommend then?
Who runs Lemmy?
Who runs the instance you would recommend?
In Ernest I trust. Kbin is a groovy way to consume the federverse. Just like Lemmy et al.
But a little more the instance that Ernest runs…
I don’t recommend anything. I just personally wouldn’t invite anyone to kbin right now because they’d likely be frustrated. Next week it’ll likely be fine.
It’s been pretty solid aside from the last few days and the last few days straddled a major, worldwide holiday. I think we should be able to give Ernest a break over it. Yes, we’re small. But he got on fixing it just as soon as the problem was identified and New Years had passed.
I mean the sentiment in the comments in that thread is not at all positive. The damage the tankies/hexbear/lemmygrad has done to the reputation of lemmy is not negligible.
imho It’s important to help people stear away from those places when they join lemmy except if that is their intention.
Lemmy went stronger when center-left people joined the platform. .ml and Lemmygrad will remain far-left. There are many server available to suit their needs. I was once on .ml until I joined the server set by people who were active on r/piracy before.
What about the spam and propaganda generated by users on lemmy.world? We have so much of it here lemmy becomes either empty or unusable depending on if you block them.
propaganda
This would be ”making you look at the shit Israel has been doing", right?
The straight from highly biased often misinformation websites, yes it’s propaganda. The fact that lemmy is being flooded in it by a few select individuals makes it propaganda. The straight up lies being told around here makes it propaganda.
or “people don’t believe that communism would work”
The Hamas defence here is inexcusable and I’m not surprised many people are turned off by this.
Generally I don’t like how lemmy.world is being hijacked by fringe politics. This has ended all other reddit alternatives (like Voat). We have a good thing here - let’s not let bad actors to hijack it.
Condemnation of Israel’s response is not “fringe politics” (nor indeed “Hamas defence”) and if you believe it to be so then whatever media bubble you’ve been placed in is working, other than this place. I’d be glad of that of I were you. America makes up a loud and influential portion of political opinion but it is 4% of the world and even there not a universal truth.
If you consider anyone with a different politics to you to be “fringe” or a “bad actor” then it is you who are not useful, not them.
Thats not what I said.
Why are you twisting my words with this strawman? There are literally comments defending Hamas.
Ok, so your response to me was irrelevant twisting words? Because I didn’t mention Hamas, you did. I’m not the one trying to change the topic of conversation.
If anyone did any twisting of words you did by making the connection that criticism of Israel is defense of Hamas. You can be anti-hamas and anti-Israel and you can even be pro-Palestine and anti-hamas.
I haven’t seen a lot of people defend Hamas (and the ones I’ve seen are quickly beaten down). However I have seen a lot of people argue anti-Israel takes are pro-hamas, which just isn’t right.
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What kind of spam? I don’t see much of any of it.
In the same vein that Hexbear users don’t see their own posts as spam or propaganda. They fit your narrative more so you don’t notice it.
I’m concerned with the amount of bugs cropping up between major updates. I looked at the repo and they have no unit tests. Eventually people will get fed up with the amount of bugs appearing.
Lemmy still feels like beta (while Kbin is alpha), but it still is better than Reddit!
(no /s - I really believe that, b/c the people here vs. there make ALL the difference)
To all those who contribute code, thank you for making this micro-world a better place for us all!:-)
I looked at the repo and they have no unit tests
Lol wut
I use a third party app and see very little. Over time it’ll get better also.
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“Some tests in the backend” would instantly get you fired from some companies. Lack of tests is a symptom of the programmers not being as experienced as they should be, when making a platform such as this.
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The issue is, if open source has any chance of competing with paid software, it needs the same standards a regular company has. It’s not about “increasing productivity” as you put it. It’s actually about doing less. By writing tests, you spend less time on the code that ends up in the final application. But the result of that, is that the final application breaks less. Issues that could have been avoided, are incredibly rare.
Writing regular code is fun, it’s exciting. You deliver new toys that people see and are thankful for. Writing tests is the opposite of that, it’s boring and dreary for most people. But it is necessary to maintain a quality product. No regular user will thank you for tests being present, they’ll complain when things break. They won’t adopt a new version, since there is no automatic regression testing possible, since you haven’t written tests and things break in the next version. So now you have to test the entire thing yourself. Which is even more boring than writing tests, so you move onto exciting new features again. And you end up in a death spiral a few years from now, since you can’t see why a certain feature stopped working, all the features depending on it break one after the other, and the only way to check what’s wrong, is to go test everything there is.
Which repo are you talking about? There are tests in the main rust repo. Rust puts its tests in line with the code. https://github.com/search?q=repo%3ALemmyNet%2Flemmy "%23[cfg(test)]"&type=code
I have no idea how complete these or or anything. But it’s not 0
Using an app, I’ve only had some very minor issues. Essentially, just occasional crashes.
Reddit sucked in 2008 and it sucks now. It only has value because people were too lazy to implement a proper openid system in any of the forum software packages over the years. There’s no reason any community needs to be hosted on reddit. Forums SEO just like reddit when searching for answers except everyone has divested from the internet and given control to a handful of ruthless corporations who just want to hoover up all the data so they can train their live chat AI bots.
If you want lemmy to be better you have to contribute even if it means not being showered in validation and praise. The echo chamber era is over.
I have been thinking of starting my own Arabic instance since Lemmy has Arabic support. I am just not prepared for such a project.
Seeing the growth…so work has gone into this!
I always have to laugh when I see an ostensibly pro-lemmy comment that says:
“Reddit mods are out of control”
Do these people understand that basically the whole idea behind a Federated system is that community owners have significantly more moderation power than they do on commercial platforms? If someone’s main problem with Reddit was unchecked mod power, I have some bad news for them…
It’s a shame that after all this time, Lemmy’s web UI still sucks. It feels like nothing user-facing has changed since the Reddit exodus first started. Thankfully, third party apps can fill that gap, but most users’ first interaction with Lemmy will be the web UI. Does anyone know why the UI portion moves so slow? Do the maintainers not want contributions, or is it that nobody wants to contribute?
there were other options?
Hello from /Kbin
I love kbin but being a one man show and lacking API it was never really going to be the replacement. I am, however, glad to have it as one of a handful of smaller alternatives and a sort of cousin to Lemmy.
If it doesn’t have an API, how do I still see posts from it in my feed? Do you mean it integrates with the fediverse, but only has a web interface for now (ie. no apps)?
The API is new but took time and effort, it just wasn’t available at the time.
Yeah, the latter. There is an API, but I think it was only released in the last month or so. I’m not sure to what extent it’s complete.
A kbin instance can be downloaded as a PWA, and it works decent.
As for third party apps there’s Lunar, iOS only. Haven’t tried it.
There was also Artemis. It had the best UI/UX design I’ve ever seen. Unfortunately the dev appears to have vanished.
Before the API, I think they were web scraping.
That’s definitely not true, they had an API back in September when I looked into adding support for it
They didn’t have an sdk, but the API most certainly has been around for a while
You’re correct. I misunderstood. The API has indeed been around for a while.
The main instance (kbin.social) only started using it around a month ago: https://kbin.social/m/kbinDevlog/t/642285/kbin-RTR-19-Summary-of-current-work-and-plans-for-the
Apologies for the confusion.
Ah… That I didn’t know, I read through the documentation to see how hard it would be, but I never tried to use it
If that’s true, I see your point… That’s not nearly as bad as not having an API, but it’s still a deal breaker
It has an API, has for a while now
It didn’t at the time I’m speaking of.
Takkun?
Kbin is just lemmy+mastadon iirc
There is Kbin:-)
Several, that were flooded with users after hate subre**its were closed. They usually turned into cesspools of hate themselves.
One that I don’t hear about is raddle.me, a centralized alternative.
They fail on their promise of curbing the mods problem with a transparent modlog and active admins. It’s the same bunch of authoritarian kids as reddit and the power dynamics are unchanged, they make friends with each other and with the administrators and it’s exactly as hard to get one removed as it ever was on major lemmy instances
I prefer the federation where if a mod/admin’s bad you can just create a community with the same name on a different instance
Some folks moved to matrix and discord. For a while it seemed like Squabbles might also be a thing.
When I was leaving Reddit I heard of Kbin (which I do have an account in and still check all the time), raddle.me, Tildes, squabbles, and I think another. So many!
During the exodus I remember I wanted to try Tildes, but it was closed off from new users. (I don’t even understand why it was recommended.)
Lemmy I think is in a good place since it’s still fairly new. It took a while before Reddit had critical mass and I’d say that happened when Reddit started “solving” crimes and then making the news because of it. The “We did it Reddit!”. I think that’s when people really started to show up. On here, there’s not a constant flood, which can be a good thing. When you reply, you’re not buried by thousands of other posts. On Reddit it felt like, if you didn’t get in early, chances are no one really saw what you posted. Honestly, I’ve had better engagement here than I did on Reddit, both in views and quality of replies.
Only time I end up on Reddit, is when I’m searching something and a post from 2-3 years ago pops up. But I haven’t logged into Reddit or actually engaged with anything new since the exodus. The date of this account was the last day I officially used Reddit.
It’s worth stepping back a moment to appreciate that it’s actually worked. Whether it will continue is another story, but Lemmy became a successful and viable alternative to Reddit. That’s worthy of praise and celebration, and it couldn’t be done without the admins and mods of .world who’ve made this place into what it is.
