The U.S. will mark the anniversary of the January 6 insurrection on Saturday, a milestone that will confer upon the reality-dwelling citizenry a grim reminder of the potency of propaganda and how quickly it can warp perception when introduced into the public square.

Just three years ago, most of the country watched with dismay and horror as a violent MAGA mob beat back authorities and stormed the country’s citadel of democracy. The Donald Trump-incited crush of disillusioned rioters, fueled by a stream of fantastical lies, believed that the 2020 election had been stolen by sinister forces working to undermine the democratic election.

Of course, not only was their belief flatly incorrect, but evidence later emerged indicating that it was Trump who, in fact, had tried to subvert democracy.

Facts, however, have little bearing on the sentiment inside the Republican Party, which has been fed a steady diet of lies and half-truths by Fox News and the rest of the sprawling right-wing media machine. To wit, the false notion that Joe Biden nefariously stole the 2020 election is now widely shared inside the GOP. A CNN poll conducted over the summer found that nearly 70% of Republicans believe Biden’s win was not legitimate, a number that has continued to tick up.

  • @Kalysta@lemmy.world
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    52 years ago

    Why isn’t the news covering the prosecutions of those involved in thr coup the way it covered the coup itself? If you want to convince Americans this was bad, show them the people being sent to jail over and over again.

    • iAmTheTot
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      It was horrifying. It was treasonous.

      But the most in all of world history? I dunno.

      • tygerprints
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        52 years ago

        I can’t think of another act so heinous, maybe some that come close. But what makes this one the worst is that it continues to spread poisonous lies throughout our world.

        • @Kalysta@lemmy.world
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          I’m pretty sure Hitler’s takeover of Germany was worse. You still have idiots marching in the streets today claiming to be NAZIs

          Or the insurrection that actually managed to kill thousands of Americans, our Civil War.

          This was horrific, but getting hyperbolic about it just feeds the right wing propaganda machines further.

          • tygerprints
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            42 years ago

            I don’t disagree, but to me Hitler at least had a shred of vision. Trump just wants destruction for all of humanity. To me, trump is much worse in every way. And I not a fan of hitler at all. But I’d rather have Hitler as president, or Jeff Dahmer, instead of that sick mass of putried filth that calls itself trump.

            • Shake747
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              I get the sense you’re a bit biased here lol. If you think any of these politicians at the top give a shit about you, you’re wrong.

              Trump is just selfish (like most big politicians). You can’t have no vision and a vision for how to destroy mankind at the same time.

              It’s a bit illogical to say you hate insurrectionists and people trying to alter society for their own benefit, and also say “id rather have Hitler as a president”.

              Do you see the irony here?

              • tygerprints
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                Oh more than a bit biased, I’d say extremely so. I realize no politician gives a flying shit about me (why should they). But if I’m going to have a lord and master, I want one that I can predict and understand. I don’t have to love them (and I won’t). All politicians are selfish, all people are selfish.

                Yes I see the irony totally, the point i’m making is that at least with Hitler, you know what you’re getting. It’s horrible and miserable, but you know what you’re getting. And of course I’m being more than little facetious to make a point about how awful trump truly is.

                • Shake747
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                  Fair enough, I see where you’re coming from. Id suggest though, that selfishness and greed are easy to predict - moreso than radicals whose country was backed into a corner of starvation and depression by the rest of the world.

                • @jmp242@sopuli.xyz
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                  The dangerous thing about Hitler is at least in the beginning he was competent. Trump wasn’t - and so far hasn’t done anything to make me think he’s changed. The thing that has saved us from Trump was his sheer incompetence.

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                And absolutely accurate. The truth always sounds silly the first time you hear it.

  • Just wait; if a Republican wins the next election, the democrats will be crying about voter fraud and a stolen election. It is the great circle jerk of American Politics.

    • @diffusive@lemmy.world
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      It’s quite a speculation. Democrats haven’t lost (or won) any 2024 election yet.

      That said, let’s try to think how elections are “stolen”. First of all, i define stolen as irregularities in counting votes. People voting twice or on behalf of someone else is unheard in the…human history (why? Because it’s hard, a villain needs to find, one by one, millions of votes for making any meaningful impact on elections)

      For counting irregularities it takes two things (1) that the primary system for counting is corrupted and (2) control mechanisms are corrupted and/or ineffective.

      Only incumbent can influence (1) because only incumbent has power at the time of election while (2) is even more complex and, by design, neither incumbent (nor opposition parties) have full control of control mechanisms. So, realistically, only incumbent may have a chance to corrupt the system. In 2020, indeed, incumbent (Trump) tried to influence the counting system and failed because of the control mechanisms (e.g. state officials, even republican state officials, refused to comply because they knew their internal control mechanisms would not have allowed them).

      Now in 2024 the incumbent is democrats so, if anything, only republicans may speculate irregularities.

      But anyone can say anything. I may say that i am billionaire but not for this reason the bank must give me 1B$ cash. I have to demonstrate to be billionaire.

      So, to recap, in 2024 onoy republican can reasonably accuse of irregularities and, in that case, they must demonstrate that there were these irregularities.

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    Just 3 years after the January 6 attack, the “harm reduction” candidate is aiding (rushing weapons to, no less) an active genocide, using multiple aircraft carrier groups to fend off the second-poorest country in the middle east, because they are attempting ( and succeeding at) a blockade on the genociders, demanding a ceasefire.

    Yeah I’d say there’s a lot of propaganda about January 6 if that’s where your attention is.

    • @Socsa@sh.itjust.works
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      Today on, actual leftist, or right wing Poe’s law troll: will voting for Trump end Israeli occupation of Gaza? Call 1800-OBV-IOUS to share your thoughts

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        I’m not voting for Trump, I’m writing in Hamas. Honestly incredible that democrats feel like they’re entitled to my vote.

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            The end to the Jewish settler-ethnostate. They can participate in representative democracy with the rest of the Palestinians. Or are you trying to imply that anti-zionism is antisemitism?

            You’re literally trying to guilt trip me into voting for the person supporting an actual genocide

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                Would be an improvement over the settler ethnostates apartheid government.

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                  Ah perfect, because that was the status quo of the Palestine Mandate - to govern Palestine via a bicameral legislature comprised of separate Muslim and Jewish houses. And I assume you know which side accepted this proposal and which side violently rejected it?

    • @DarthBueller@lemmy.world
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      Oh the poor Houthi rebels doing Iran’s bidding and attacking international commerce, they’re such victims. Poor guys are going to be red mist soon. Total bummer, said literally no one except shills.

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        Heroic Yemeni military acting on the Responsibility to Protect, doing whatever is in its power to stop the ongoing genocide. Every country should be doing what Yemen is doing and demand a ceasefire in Gaza.

        US global legitimacy is going down the fucking toilet and you have nobody but yourselves to thank for it.

    • @badaboomxx@lemmy.world
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      Just imagine that the republican agenda will keep the things as they are regardless of whoever is in power.

      So yeah the president is wrong in this one, but the gop is wrong in this one and in almost everything they do.

      • Diva (she/her)
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        Just imagine that the republican agenda will keep the things as they are regardless of whoever is in power.

        I don’t view the democrats as credible actors for improving things. Joe Biden still owes me $600 ffs.

        Everything shitty that got started under Trump, finished under Biden. They’re literally cutting a deal with republicans over the border to get weapons to a genocide faster.

        • @badaboomxx@lemmy.world
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          Lol, just remember who had the majority of the house. Basically you are complaining for something that the republican party has thr majority of power to stop and yet they don’t do it. Funny if you ask me.

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            I don’t fucking care about which fucking rightwing party had which percentage of the house, it’s not like any of them are actually trying to get anything done besides writing fat checks to weapons manufacturers. If we can have an election and then the opposite of the election happens in policy it sounds like we have a pretty worthless fucking democracy and nothing worth defending.

            Biden could simply not arm the apartheid ethnostate which is ethnically cleansing Palestine.

            Instead he’s sending aircraft carrier groups to prevent Yemen from attempting to apply pressure for a ceasefire by blockading.

            • @badaboomxx@lemmy.world
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              Sure bud, but the bOtH sIdEs argument is not good at all.

              But tell me, under the other parry, would things be different?

              • Diva (she/her)
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                Only the rhetoric would be different, the policy outcomes would be the same. I have a lot of negative emotions associated with having a bunch of soulless monsters pretending like they’re somehow advancing the cause of LGBT rights by dumping weapons on a genocidal apartheid government.

                • @badaboomxx@lemmy.world
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                  Again the bOtH sIdEs argument is really bad in this case, because you know, I don’t see one side removing rights of a sector of the population.

                  The hypocrisy here is the fact that many conservatives try to pass the blame 100% to the party in power even if the other party boycots them.

  • @Illuminostro@lemmy.world
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    You know, the First Amendment was created to make sure the average citizen would have protection against speaking out against the government with reasonable confidence they couldn’t be persectued. Like when kings or The Church could have you imprisoned or executed on a whim, not long before The Founders drafted The Constituiton. But now, bad actors acting in bad faith use it as a weapon to spread fear and hate propaganda.

    I think a new Amendment is needed to stop blatant and obvious seditiuous and hateful speech. But they’ll figure out a way to pervert that too, and corrupt the officials who enforce such laws.

    • @Moira_Mayhem@lemmy.world
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      I think a much easier solution is to disenfranchise every trump voter as accessory to sedition because that’s basically the only way this isn’t going to get much worse as they start finding less stupid fascist leaders.

  • @Mafflez@reddthat.com
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    It isn’t. Jist the dumb cunts that think trumps so pure. It was aired live on national TV if facts and literal live evidence doesn’t sway them nothing will. Not even Trump fucking Ivanka on live TV would.

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      They don’t think he’s pure. They just like that he wants to hurt the people they want to hurt. He appeals to the worst of us. And they love it.

      • @rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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        Like half of America is basically braindead.

        Do you belong to that half?

        What is the expectancy of you answering “yes” and the trustworthiness of your answer?

      • @Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.de
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        It does seem like it hovers around 50 percent but there are other factors. Some of that 50 percent knows how to manipulate the brain challenged for their own personal or political benefit. Others might have the capacity to use logic and reason but were raised not to. Or are so stubborn and righteous that they seek only validation to confirmation bias.

  • BeautifulMind ♾️
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    Their continued refusal to acknowledge that it was a crime, and the normalization of criminal conspiracy and use of political violence to chill efforts to hold people accountable… all amounts to organized crime masquerading as legitimate politics

    • TurtleJoe
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      Give them good jobs at NASA and other government agencies?

      • @Mafflez@reddthat.com
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        They aren’t that smart sadly. At least the SS officers were insanely smart. Though they should have been gassed or shot.

        • @Emerald@lemmy.world
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          I think we’d have enough bullets to just shoot them all, we wouldn’t need to use gas chambers for them, that would be much less convenient.

  • @mhague@lemmy.world
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    I think people are too literal when trying to understand each other. If someone says they believe in god, it means they identify as someone who believes in god. If someone says they think the election was stolen, it means they identify as someone who thinks the election was stolen. You don’t defeat this with direct education / facts, you give these people an out. They need identities that are constructive and based in reality. Friends, family, culture… it all needs to be rewritten. Then they’ll “believe” in reality.

    • Neato
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      So why don’t they adopt an identity based in reality like the rest of us?

      Is it because they want to hate demographics and the one media that supports that pushes irrational thought because their core components are irrational and it’s easier to control them like that? I’m actually asking, because that’s my best guess.

      • @blazeknave@lemmy.world
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        Unfortunately, yes. Main Street never came back with Wall Street and Hillary never set foot in the rust belt. They’re hurt and afraid. I’m compassion fatigued to give a pass on Nazism but this is their explanation.

        • @Facebones@reddthat.com
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          Nazis don’t get a pass. People who advocate for violence against people they don’t like don’t get a pass. IDGAF. I’ve tried being open and receptive and all that (this “offramp” idea,) but at least here in the Bible belt all the bigotry and hate is tied directly into the religious suspension of disbelief and they’re not interested in entertaining any ideas that aren’t from their Fox News (or wherever) prophets.

  • @Suavevillain@lemmy.world
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    The narrative around this event has been downplayed so much that it feels like a non factor for Trump. If it was anyone else in trouble for this there wouldn’t be so much debate.

    • @Moira_Mayhem@lemmy.world
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      If it were 150 years ago Trump and a shitton of his supporters would have already been hanged and we wouldn’t be creeping steadily towards fascism.

  • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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    Three months after Genocide Joe committing mass murder, all the Democrats are doing is focusing on Trump.

    Genocide Joe needs to go to prison for life and rot there. Filthy Zionazi scum.

    • @Mafflez@reddthat.com
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      You stupid bitch, you remember how many us citizens died under trumps watch when covid first hit because he was negligent? I sure as hell do. Fuck you an every son of a bitch like you. What’s sad is I don’t like Joe. But he’s no where near as incompetent as Trump. And all you can do is spout bullshit you know isn’t true because your bitch daddy didn’t get reelected and cried like a fuckin toddler cause he didn’t get a candy bar at Walmart. I’m sick of little bitches like you.

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        Imagine being so America brained that Genocide Joe committing mass genocide on little children isn’t relevant. Because they are brown of course.

        Cultist shit.

        • Luminocta
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          For one, thinking that the current president is a mass murderer. His choice in supporting Israël is… Not good. But I value human lives so any choice to join a war or genocide or something is bad in my eyes.

          Second … I mean, zionazi? Really? You don’t even know what both words apart mean, clearly.

          Third. Even if it was all true, you are still just screaming nonsense. Nobody takes you seriously in that state. What are you trying to prove?

          • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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            Zionists and Nazis are the same thing.

            Genocidal maniacs that believe they are the Ubermensch and want to expand their Lebensraum by committing genocide and any person outside their group.

            Or are you denying that israel is committing genocide?

            • queermunist she/her
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              Nazis were cribbing off of Manifest Destiny and the reservation system. Israel is just the 51st state.

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                From page 64 of the current South African genocide charge against israel.

                Israeli Army reservist “motivational speech”: On 11 October 2023, 95-year old Israeli army reservist Ezra Yachin — a veteran of the Deir Yassin massacre during the 1948 Nakba — reportedly called up for reserve duty to “boost morale” amongst Israeli troops ahead of the ground invasion, was broadcast on social media inciting other soldiers to genocide as follows, while being driven around in an Israeli army vehicle, dressed in Israeli army fatigues:

                “Be triumphant and finish them off and don’t leave anyone behind. Erase the memory of them. Erase them, their families, mothers and children. These animals can no longer live. . . Every Jew with a weapon should go out and kill them. If you have an Arab neighbour, don’t wait, go to his home and shoot him . . . We want to invade, not like before, we want to enter and destroy what’s in front of us, and destroy houses, then destroy the one after it. With all of our forces, complete destruction, enter and destroy. As you can see, we will witness things we’ve never dreamed of. Let them drop bombs on them and erase them.”

                From page 64 of the South African genocide charge against israel.

                Sure seems some Nazi shit to me.

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                  I recommend reading American Holocaust, Lies My Teacher Told me, A People’s History of the United States, or any other account of the bloodthirsty freaks that genocided the Natives. The things America did inspired the Nazis, who then inspired the Zionists. It’s all the same.

    • @rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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      Consider that you inevitably consume some propaganda yourself, but one never can see it, until maybe many years after.

      Those people don’t want to be fools too, but they don’t see it happening.

    • TheRealKuni
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      You’d be surprised. I know personally people who traditionally support the GOP but despise Trump who believe a bunch of the bullshit around January 6 because they hear it from their circles. Like how Antifa was involved.

      • @EvilEyedPanda@lemmy.world
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        I’m not a conservative republican, but I do agree not all right wingers are bad, we have a representative democracy because what works for me in my medium sized city dosent work for Matt in New York, or Jerry in BFE Montana. It’s the division that the partisan politics thats truly hurting us all.

    • snooggums
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      Just like they won’t let go of the Confederate Memorial Holiday.

        • @S_204@lemm.ee
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          They didn’t lose. They got beat but they haven’t lost. They’ve just changed tactics and are taking the long game. Really long but starting to pay off. The ideas survived because America failed to provide the education and opportunities that prevent that type of extremism from flourishing…

        • They have Civil War re-enactments in the confederate states. They also fly the confederate flag and say since it was just a battle flag and not the actual confederate flag it isn’t anti American. Refusing to acknowledge that it was a battle flag… against the U.S.