What even is the difference? The only thing I saw different was the UI compared to most Lemmy instances viewed through a browser.
Microblogging is the first thing that comes to mind. And subscribing or blocking entire domains.
Being able to block users, communities, and domains is just so useful for avoiding content I am not interested in.
If the API gets released, I might look into developing a desktop/mobile app. All relatively low-level, no electron app bullshit
I can’t wait to be unhinged on kbin as well <3 .
Can’t really make apps for a site that doesn’t have an API. They did announce recently that Kbin’s API is nearly done, so soon there’ll be a flood of Kbin apps as well, and support for Kbin in all of the Lemmy apps too
@Nitrate55 I can’t wait to be able to use Kbin on the go, I’m really gonna have nothing be done at that point
Firefox and toggle to desktop site works well for me.
You can install the kbin interface as a PWA on mobile, and it works pretty well. There are some kinks for sure, but it’s 100% usable and better than lemmy.
I do most of my kbin browsing on my phone using good old firefox.
It isn’t perfect, but definitely works well enough until a dedicated mobile app comes out.
@snooggums Yeah I sometimes use the browser on my phone to use Kbin but it would be good to have a fully function App in the near future.
and support for Kbin in all of the Lemmy apps
Very much doubt. I’m sure many will but not all. The API isn’t identical so they’d have to commit to maintaining both.
Yeah I suppose not all of them will want to commit to supporting Kbin, but some definitely will. Honestly though, so long as it’s possible to search for and subscribe to Kbin magazines from Lemmy, that’s all I really care about.
If nothing else, the Sync developer said he’d do it.
I’m so so looking forward to sync, and it gives me a lot of hope seeing all of these apps and fancy UI’s, it’s reassuring that the fediverse is here to stay and will continue to grow
Memmy dev said they plan to as well but “not within this year” if I recall correctly.
Cool. Memmy is the best, but what is the purpose of a native kbin integration if it’s already federated? Are we able to view and not post or comment?
Came here to say that… Take your upvote, good sir…
nice, that’s the one I’ve been hoping for the most!
I don’t, it’s not that much more work as the basics of it won’t change that much over time and the functionality will be near identical. We might not get newer features that are eventually added though.
I would expect that 99% bits of your app that talk to the API can be the same for both, you just need to maintain slightly different code for interacting with each actual API.
In fact scrolling further through the comments I see that not only is this how @hariette is handling it for Artemis but she’s also looking at making the talking to both APIs bit of the code available to other devs.
It would be great if someone created a fediverse browser native app. Log into all the platforms and add a translation layer to create a truly unique experience. Maybe it would only make sense if you could authenticate one account on all the activitypub platforms? I understand the amount of technical hurdles and maintenance to do so. I suppose I find the thought of experiencing them combined intriguing. If someone created A single app experience, in a intuitive way, I’d definitely give it a try. I can see lemmy posts on mastidon. Would be kind of cool if it could handle that and display those posts using a lemmy ui. But making it seamless.
The thing is, when an app does only 1 thing, it’s easy to make sure it does that thing well. It’s going to be a lot of work to support so many different API’s, keep them updated, and provide a good UI/UX.
Yeah. Take the state of game emulation for example. Yes, Retroarch DOES have like 500 emulator “”“cores”“”, all of which can be configured from a single general purpose UI and using a single input layer.
But holy shit does hat UI and input configuration SUCK DONKEY BALLS.
My Anbernic is very happy running 80% of its consoles though it. But I do wish there was something better looking when I have the actual emulation layer running.
Based on this: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/delightful-fediverse-clients/src/branch/main/README.md Fedilab, once it supports Lemmy and Kbin
This is why Lemmy’s tangential features, such as being able to post from Mastodon accounts, or being able to post to that video service, are also not going to happen any time soon. It’s just a lot of moving pieces, for functionality that’s more interesting than useful.
Kbinites unite!!
Kbin should have prioritised their API rather than adding microblogging to a platform that didn’t need it.
The addition of microblogging is the main draw for me
I just want to be able to browse lemmy/kbin and mastodon with a single login
If only kbin had an API…
I was thinking of making my first attempt at an android app a kbin app because of the lack of options, but their documentation (while done really well so far) isn’t fleshed out yet.
Lemmy’s Documentation is very confusing to me as someone still learning to program (does it get better when you are more experienced???), but it’s definitely a lot more fleshed out, so that’s why I’m attempting to make just another Lemmy client looool
Hi, currently three years into a job title that indicates I program for a living (it sounds more like I’m a manager). I do Python professionally and work on learning C. It… it kinds gets worse, if you go this far, but you’re more able to handle it.
12 years here, it gets better :)
I was introduced to remote debugging a few weeks ago. I had heard of it and it sounded neat, but it’s so much better than I could possibly have imagined.
Oh, it’s the artemis girl
I don’t think I’d bother with a kbin app anyway - I’m fine with the way it is already.
I honestly don’t really get why people use Lemmy. Kbin has a much better interface and is way less buggy. The PWA acts as a great app so I’m really kind of flummoxed. Also the users are cooler.
The clunky interface, the relative differences from reddit, the confusing organization, the less than ideal splitting between blog/thread/magazine that makes navigating it have an extra learning curve, the lack of any apps that aren’t just a pwa that has the same flaws as the site, the fact that there’s really only one server for kbin that’s used, the list goes on.
And I like kbin, I hope it thrives and becomes popular enough that nobody ever has to consider a corporate run site again because there’s multiple federated options.
But, just being real, lemmy is simpler and easier to use, and it’s closer to the way reddit worked. Kbin is trying to be more than a link aggregator and forum. That’s great! If that’s what you’re looking for, it’s even better. But most of the r/efugees were and are looking for something familiar and comfortable. With kbin not having an API, app developers weren’t jumping into it (other than hariette, and she’s kick ass) so the r/efugees that were at least partially leaving reddit because of the attack on apps had no devs busting their ass to get out good ones.
There’s no apps for kbin that are open use. PWAs are meh to begin with, but at least the lemmy UI via PWA matches reddit close enough that the learning curve is trivial. The kbin ui has to be navigated with the split functions in mind, and that’s not fun when what you’re really wanting is to keep doing what you were doing before spez fucked things up.
And that’s what it comes down to. The surge of new users to the fediverse aren’t here because of the virtues of the services. They’re/we’re here because reddit isn’t acceptable now. Lemmy is just closer to what we had
I honestly don’t really get why people use Lemmy. Kbin has a much better interface and is way less buggy. The PWA acts as a great app so I’m really kind of flummoxed. Also the users are cooler.
Did they delete the other comment or is the bug not on their end? Cause I only see one currently.
I mean that’s the first time that has happened to me and I’m fairly sure that one was actually on me swiping back.
Like Lemmy’s bugs have been pretty freaking serious. Biggest kbin one since I’ve gotten here was it logged you out too soon, and that wasn’t even a bug someone had just pushed a feature that got rolled back.
Just teasing :)
Yeah, they’re both honestly pretty rough to use. kbin for example wouldn’t show comments with any content blockers on for iOS, which makes it a pretty nonstarter for me. I personally don’t think either have really nailed interface, either.
What do you mean about content blockers?
Things like Adblock on iOS
I have never experienced that
They must have fixed that before I got here. The internet without ad blockers is an unusable dystopian cesspool.
Oh absolutely. I run a network-wide adblocker (pi-hole) and still also adblock stuff on all my clients.
Lemmy -> Kbin federation wasn’t (isn’t?) working that great, and considering 90% of content on KBin’s front page is lemmy content anyway…
Also there’s like two dozen apps for Lemmy now including several in the app stores
Plus stuff like https://old.thelemmy.club
It wasn’t working for two days at the beginning of the migration, besides that it actually works better than lemmy to lemmy, from what I’ve noticed.
Yeah, most content comes from lemmy, because that’s where most people are, it just doesn’t really make sense beyond going to where the people already are, and not actually comparing the systems.
I guess that’s why y’all chose the lemming as your mascot :p
I heard Tildes discourages app development because they think apps go against the purpose of the site.
It’s on the internet, it exists to be modified. Tis the law.
With that said, if I heard that, I’d either do things low profile or I’d not do it at all, because at any point the devs can just intentionally ruin whatever you use to make your app work. And low profile isn’t an option, RiF’s dev will always have at least a couple hundred who will try whatever they make, day 1. In their shoes, I would contact the Tildes dev directly and ask where we stand, then go forward with blessing, or leave.
I tried Tildes out, but I am not very active on there. I don’t think it is what I was looking for when leaving Reddit.
Isn’t that what the RIF dev is making?
Yes! He linked to the post over on tildes prior to shutting down RIF.
Wish he’d make it for lemmy
I agree. I enjoyed RIF for so many years. Paid for it too. I would gladly pay him again for a lemmy app.
Same here.
I don’t understand the people who want apps.
I’m not looking for an argument - you do you. But I don’t understand your desire to install things.
kbin user cope
(/s)
I don’t understand the people who don’t want apps.
I’m not looking for an argument -you do you. But I don’t understand your desire to not install things.
Having a dedicated app is just more convenient in most cases. And apps generally offer more features and QoL improvements compared to a site. After using memmy for about a month I can’t use the official site, especially on mobile.
There are plenty of rough edges that apps are able to buff out that a browser cannot.
I use plenty of things in a browser, but if I’m gonna scroll something daily… I want that image viewer with tap slide zoom. I want that specific folder that the app saves shit to instead of just “downloads”. etc. etc.
I feel the exact way but in reverse lmao. Who be using websites these days 🤣
I have enough issues with being a chronic tab hoarder without having another website that will inevitably be open on multiple tabs over time. Is this a me problem? Probably 😁
Also for websites you use a lot, it’s nice to have a dedicated app for it. I don’t want an app for ever single website but a well built app tailored to work on the system in a seamless native way is fantastic.
It’s a you problem, but not really a unique one. I scroll through Lenny on desktop, open everything that seems interesting in a background tab and half the time I never even switch to them. With Memmy, I either look into a post right away or keep scrolling. I’ve just gotten used to that way of browsing because most sites don’t take you back to where you were before but generate new random content. Reddit is especially bad at this. Apps do a pretty good job at going back to exactly where you were before without reloading the site.
It’s not 3rd party app developers fault that kbin didn’t have any stable api yet. Now that they fast track the api development, I think we can expect more 3rd party apps coming soon.
Yeah I left Kbin for this purpose.
I’m still trying to hold on to kbin but lemmy is just so much more accessible. I’m super stoked for the Artemis app but it’s just taking way too long
Same
Whoever ends up doing so should set up the interface so that Lemmy posts are blue and kbin posts green, that way Lemmy users can downvote us and call us poor.
You could hack that into most lemmy clients right now, with either a manual kbin list or one automatically populated by querying the instances api directly.
I recommend forking liftoff and calling it lMessage, l for liftoff or lemmy, and message because now you can message all those pesky kbin users that they should bin their kbin and join a real instance
before the whole reddit clusterfuck and blackout started I created both kbin and lemmy accounts. One of those is just gathering dust
Same. I just don’t have a reason to use kbin. The interface is not my cup of tea and I don’t like the way they’ve handled communities or ‘mAgAzInEs’.
Yeah, also the fact that they have… microblogging or something? I have mastodon for that.
Yeah, I have a kbin account as well, but I prefer Lemmy so far, since it actually has a data API and I prefer the web interface over that of kbin (and now we have old.lemmy.world!)
I am test driving Artemis for kbin, but Hariette and her team have an uphill battle until kbin comes up with an API, so development has been slow. Not their fault, of course.
my instance doesn’t have that thingy
TIL about old.lemmy.world, cool!
There’s also m.lemmy.world running Voyager (formerly wefwef).
Haha, that’s awesome! TIL
API is almost done! Been using an internal build of the app that uses Artemis’ kbin instance with those changes. And oh god is so much better 👌
So we’re nearing a point where apps for kbin will start popping up ✨
That’s great news!
Wtf that’s awesome! Have they open sourced that?
EDIT: I found it https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym
The more options the better. For now Lemmy is good and the apps are progressing at an awesome pace, honestly didn’t expect that.
The ace in the hole that Lemmy and kbin have is that it doesn’t matter which one you prefer because they can talk to each other. Can’t say the same about Squabbles.
Oh yeah, until someone decides to pull a beehaw and defederate, that’s why I have a kbin account too, but haven’t had the need to use it that much.
I just don’t care for kbin’s interface. It definitely seems to be a love it or hate it type of thing. I like that Lemmy is trying to be more of a Reddit replacement, while kbin fans seem to like that it doesn’t feel like one.
BeeHaw gives me a toxic positivity vibe, so losing them from lemmy.world isn’t a big deal. I’d argue that they should not federate with anyone, but I can’t tell them what to do.
Yeah, since Lemmy.world started to grow like a mf, I don’t miss beehaw very much tbh, it absolutely scratches that early reddit itch
Why you letting your lemmy account gather dust?
