the most egregious example I can think of is antiwork in reddit. Posters there love to rant against companies, but they also give good advice regarding laws in different states and is a good source to deal with micromanagers and toxic workplaces.
But it’s like they simply don’t think that reddit is making money with every post they write. It’s like they’re working for the enemy they so much despise, a large corporation.
It baffles me that people keep posting there. Is the fediverse alternative really that bad?
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- Inertia
People don’t leave until they have a compelling reason to leave. They will stay put until something pushes them to move. Bad corporate practices are not that strong an effect—boycotting every bad company in 2024 is not a thing people are trying to do, the world doesn’t work like that.
- Positive Network Effects
The size and value of Reddit’s network still dwarves the fediverse, and that’s the primary value of any social network—the people you can interact with.
Anyone with half a brain switched from antiwork to workreform after the moderation drama a couple of years ago. Doesn’t surprise me that the remaining members are hard to displace
They want views and lemmy’s discoverability isnt easy
It may be hard to believe for everyone here, since we made the jump. Most people just want to be where everyone else is. They get the most interaction there, from their point of view, so thats where they stay.
Also, we may be biased toward tech here. The average person probably loathes setting up new accounts and figuring out new websites.
It is also crucial that leftists be where the masses are in order to make whatever pushes that can be made. There can’t be class awakening if leftist aren’t there to speak-up, otherwise it is all just reactionaries and bootlickers spreading their lies.
Yeah like I don’t miss Reddit at all except how much more frequently people post on truegaming there. We haven’t quite gotten our community off the ground here yet, but I’m optimistic!
It will all unfold gradually. I continue to use Reddit and also enjoy Lemmy. The main issue with Reddit, particularly the old.reddit version, is the lack of a dark mode and the need to zoom in to poke around on the phone, which becomes a bit cumbersome. Back when Apollo was around, it significantly enhanced the Reddit experience.
Over time, users will come to recognize that the experience on Reddit is less than ideal. Currently, its only advantage is its large user base which is increasing becoming run by bots.
How dare you still use reddit !? /s
But seriously there were a lot more variety of communities on reddit with more people. Some people need the more frequent interaction, some need the niche subs, and some people need the polish/maturity. That’s just how it is
Yeah I use Reddit for some subs that aren’t active here, like Sim Racing. I use Lemmy frequently as my /r/all since there isn’t as much content yet. Sometimes I have to remember what instance I’m in because of ones like hexbear and even .ml to a degree
Especially with the constant breakages. It’s still very much beta version software (and Kbin is still alpha).
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Lemmy is largely nerdy, linux loving leftist early tech adopters. In a sense, we sit in an echo chamber until the platform becomes more widely adopted, even though it doesn’t feel that way.
Oh it’s definitely an echo chamber in every sense; there’s no doubt that opinions that tend to be popular on Lemmy are not really representative of true public opinion. The important thing is that we maintain awareness of that and never let ourselves think that what we agree upon, society at large will also agree upon. That awareness helps inoculate against some of the worst effects of an echo chamber.
It’s too late for some of the Linux Lemmys. lol
Hey! I’m a nerdy, windows hating, early tech adopter who is strongly considering switching his personal PC to Linux but has very limited time in which to do so.
Ironically I asked pretty much that question soon after joining Lemmy, see here for reference:
Consider using the Debian version of Linux Mint if you want something user friendly that just works
Early, probably. But the audience here is not THAT primitive. There are casual users that know signing up, and do not even realise they may be on shitjustworks, talking to a lemmee user on a post made by a lemmyworld user.
Tech redditors/channers are not as bright as you think. They barely make the cut even as a general stereotype.
You ever were on a sysadmin post?
I do love Linux. You got me there.
Do you really find it that baffling that people are choosing to provide help and advice in a setting that has millions of active users rather than a setting that has some thousands?
It’s a difference in priorities. People stay on Reddit because that’s where the heat is. I hope that people go here because we understand the inherent dangers of for-profit social media. People can make their own choices.
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Is ‘consistent’ the critical thing here though? Or is introducing ideas to large numbers of people who could actually benefit from them?
Should all leftists just sit in a small room together and only talk among themselves to ensure that they are consistent? Or should they be going to places where there are other people and talking to them to actually spread leftist ideas among them?
They’re in the belly of the beast, some of us wanted out; there are still reachable people there, perhaps.
I’m both here and there. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Reddit, I find, is better for getting more inputs. This place lacks that (hence this question is as askable as it is) but is good for getting more engagement for one’s worth. Money isn’t everything.
They prefer a more polished UI? I know there are several mobile apps that improve on the default browser experience of visiting https://lemmy.world/, but you have to admit that the initial UX of Lemmy leaves room for improvement. This is the same reason many open-source projects gave up on IRC. The die-hard FOSS advocates raised the “but Slack isn’t an open standard” argument only to be shouted down by a larger part of the community with “IRC’s UX sucks and is a barrier to new contributors”.
https://kbin.social/ has a lot of issues (like calling communities magazines and general performance/stability), but the UI/UX is so much better than Lemmy.
What? Lemmy UI is way better than redit’s
Meh. The mobile reddit apps and new reddit are truly trash. A lot of lemmy apps could still use work, especially kbin, and a lot of communities could use a cleaner UI, but ultimately, I think people are using Reddit due to inertia and positive network effects.
This is the reason I changed my home instance to lemdro.id - they have multiple UIs available for the web, which I prefer over apps. Try these:
https://p.lemdro.id for desktop
https://m.lemdro.id for mobile
Lemmy is still small and it doesn’t have the crowd sourced discussion or reach that Reddit does.
Sure some people might be after the karma or attention, but it’s bad to just lump everyone together with that assumption. People have different reasons for continuing to use other platforms, and it’s not productive to throw around insults. I assume lots of Reddit users are aware of the issues, but continue to use it for other reasons. Some people may be using Lemmy / fediverse on top of Reddit.
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People may read content relevant to them to get discussion that doesn’t exist on Lemmy yet. That might include social causes, career pages, hobbies, etc.
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People might post on Reddit to reach more people. When it comes to social causes / movements, reaching people is important wherever those people might be. I extend this to other platforms too. As annoying as it might feel, a lot of regular users are primarily on Instagram, TikTok, etc. and it’s worth the effort to get the message to those people. Lots of people learn about social causes that way
For what it’s worth, you can’t get people to move to the Fediverse if they don’t learn about it
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The Fediverse unfortunately still has less reach.
There the here and there. Where else would you like them to go?
Why are leftists communicating and organizing in cleartext on the internet at all?
Private self-hosted fully-encrypted Matrix servers or you’re doing it wrong.
Because some people don’t infuse their political identity into everything they do
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No.
No, people just don’t like change. All those fake internet points are hard to let go.
Some people just like debating. It’s incredibly refreshing when someone you completely disagree with raises a thoughtful, interesting point.
“Antiwork” does not leave because that would mean additional work. It is right in the title!
Only if it was satire…
