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An accident while investigating a time portal sends Ensigns Beckett Mariner and Bradward Boimler through time from the 24th century, and Captain Pike and his crew must get them back where they belong before they can alter the timeline.

Written by Kathryn Lyn & Bill Wolkoff

Directed by Jonathan Frakes

  • zpm
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    202 years ago

    I enjoyed it, fun and different and the ending did make me laugh with Spock’s arm. I found I was less invested in the story as I was focused on the character interactions. Overall, I’m fine with it and it didn’t have to be anything that is not trying to be.

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        42 years ago

        I don’t think so, I think it’s just a joke about him doing things as a cartoon version he couldn’t do in real life, and also him tripping balls.

  • Acid
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    2 years ago

    This episode is one of the best episodes in the modern era of Trek, it’s lighthearted it’s funny it celebrates Trek and it’s done so tastefully that I genuinely have nothing bad to say about it. It reminds me of Trials and Tribble-ations.

    Plus that line at the end where they tell Una ad astra per aspera and that’s why boimler joined Starfleet is just the right kind of emotions.

    Honestly, they smashed it in this episode and ofc the 2d animated intro was chefs kiss.

  • @polymorphist_neuroid@lemmy.world
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    102 years ago

    I’m still giddy about this episode. Possibly the best thing I’ve ever seen.

    One thing I noticed particularly in this episode is how respectful both SNW and LD are of canon and fandom in general - the bit about not all Orions being pirates, for example. I know it originates w/Tendi from Lower Decks, but just in the context of this episode they take the one-dimensional nature of the Orions from TOS, poke a little fun at it, but then make it about the bias that the Federation/Star Fleet has against a culture they really don’t understand. The SNW writers effortlessly take what could be considered a flaw or one-dimensional writing from TOS and actually use it to flesh out the ST universe, all while telling a great story.

  • @UESPA_Sputnik@lemmy.world
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    332 years ago

    Fun episode. I lost track of all the references but I’m particularly delighted that they brought up the NX-01 and her crew, and that the NCC-1701 crew (what even comes after the dash?) is gushing over them, like we all are gushing over all the different Trek crews.

      • @NuPNuA@lemm.ee
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        112 years ago

        To be fair, since it’s been on it got an Easter egg reference in the Kelvin-verse and has been mentioned or referenced in most of the new shows from S1 of Dis on. Not only did they name drop Archer in that, they actually expanded on the MU episodes of Ent.

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          32 years ago

          And let’s not forget the NX-01 herself shows up onscreen in Picard Season 3.

          • @NuPNuA@lemm.ee
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            22 years ago

            Yep, I thought they may resuse the Star Ship museum asset from Pic then realised it probably didn’t exist yet on SNW era.

  • Prouvaire
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    382 years ago

    The danger with these “very special fun episodes” is that they can be confined to being just that. But what elevated this episode is how it used the time travel/crossover conceit to foreshadow, progress and pay off SNW character arcs, including Chapel and Spock’s ultimately doomed relationship (something that I’ve previously said could be incredibly poignant, if handled right), Number One’s legacy, and the way Pike confronts his fate. I hope the musical episode does the same.

    • @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world
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      242 years ago

      The hidden line in the episode is that the crew knows they end up as historical icons of Starfleet and thus the line ‘I pretended to be somebody I wanted to be until finally I became that person. Or he became me.’ this applies to the crew now. It allows them to be more confident in their decisions and become the icons they are meant to be. This episode likely has one of the largest impacts on the character direction of the crew going forward.

    • @Continuumguy@startrek.website
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      282 years ago

      They also tied in to Tendi’s story on LD (her constant reminding to people that Orions have a culture far beyond pirating), even though we didn’t see her in Live Action.

      • Eva!
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        142 years ago

        Are Orions now the designated species for calling out how essentialized Star Trek aliens tend to be? Because we have D’vana Tendi, the somewhat obscure Ensign Harral from Discovery, and now the crew of the D’var. You can argue the last one’s just an extension of Tendi’s character arc, but still, that’s three series that have touched on this.

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          TBH I think TNG did this very well with the Klingons (depending on who was writing the episode, of course). Like, some Klingons were Real Klingons™ but many others only gave lip service to those ideals and were actually as sneaky and cowardly as any other race. I think a lot of Worf’s inner conflict came from realizing and processing that fact.

          • @Manabi@startrek.website
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            112 years ago

            And on the extreme end of that was the Duras family being more like the stereotypical Romulan (and even allying with them against their own people) than a Real Klingon™. It was disgusting how they managed to keep their house throughout the series, even though they were everything a Klingon wasn’t supposed to be.

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              The viewer naturally sympathizes with Worf and adopts his view of Klingon culture, but remember that he was raised by humans and most of his knowledge of Klingon culture came from very early childhood and books. Imagine a human child raised by another species whose knowledge of Human culture came from fairy tales and like Arthurian stories. He’d come to earth and be outraged that everyone isn’t following some virtuous code of chivalry. A politician broke his word? DUEL TO THE DEATH! That’s Worf.

        • @HardlightCereal@lemmy.world
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          42 years ago

          There’s also the Orion on DS9 who likes to talk big game about being a pirate, but he’s actually from Cincinnati and has never pirated anything in his life

  • @felixxx999@startrek.website
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    82 years ago

    Fine Fine episode Why are my eyes so big?? The Stafleet logo on the soles of his shoes. Mariner doing her double thumbs up. Her rolled up sleeves being slightly lighter red.
    Enterprise love! Why do they talk so loud? Lol. The OPENING CREDITS! With that sucking alien. Glad they didn’t have them retreat from danger.

  • @hivemind@startrek.website
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    362 years ago

    Frakes has directed two Orville episodes (so far), and arguably brought his experience over to SNW, as Boims and Mariner were fan[boy|girl]ing about, it had serious “Orville” vibes to it. I don’t think they could have picked a better director.

    The bit where Ortegas and Uhura were gushing about the NX-01 crew and suddenly realizing that’s why their guests were gushing was priceless.

    “What would come after the dash?”

    And both Jack and Tawny crushed it as the live action versions of their characters. (Both were over-the-top, and that was the point).

    I wonder if that “Riker!” Gag was improvised and if so, how long it had Frakes (and/or the crew) laughing.

    The LD-style intro was chefs kiss perfect. The coda was, likewise, a perfect capstone.

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      92 years ago

      I didn’t realize Frakes directed two of the Orville episodes, but makes a lot of sense. He did an amazing job bringing the charm of The Orville into this episode. RE: the intro…YES!!! I was about to skip it, but so happy I watched it. I loved the space-monster sucking on the ship! It is my favorite part of the LD intro, so happy to see it here.

  • Awa
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    112 years ago

    Definitely one of the most enjoyable episodes of any modern Star Trek episodes if not the best. Love the calls back to the other shows and Star Trek history. I like how the Lower Decks actors played their human characters just as skillfully as they voice them. I loved their connections with the SNW crew. Just beautifully well written. Feels like that it made up for what seemed to be lacking in the previous episode.

  • @Continuumguy@startrek.website
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    392 years ago

    Thoughts and observations as I watched over at the “other place”, special Saturday night/early Sunday morning edition:

    • AHHHHH, WE’RE DOING THIS ON A SATURDAY!
    • AHHHHH, WE’RE GETTING THE CROSSOVER!
    • AHHHHH, A CROSSOVER BETWEEN A CARTOON COMEDY AND A LIVE ACTION DRAMA!
    • AHHHHH, IN GENERAL!
    • First off, that they have “Those Old Scientists” as the title is (chef’s kiss).
    • Previously: Nyota had a really bad day, La’An got a bad case of Kirk hotness, and Chapel/Spock had a bad case of hotness for each other
    • OH GOD WE’RE STARTING ANIMATED
    • “Numero Una”
    • Tendi would like to remind you all that the Orions have a rich and varied history.
    • “You guys look… very realistic.”
    • AHHHH, ANIMATED OPENING CREDITS!
    • Hahaha, the thing that eats the Ceritos Nacelle!
    • AHHHH, THE KOALA AT THE END OF THE CREDITS! WHY IS IT SMILING, WHAT DOES IT KNOW!?!?
    • “But flipping it open is the best part”
    • “Computer, end program.”
    • “Worf’s honor.” DANGIT!
    • I wonder if Frakes showed Quaid how to properly do a Riker maneuver
    • “You just… laughed.”
    • Ah, we’re tying in with what Tendi said.
    • Boimler is a toddler knocking over furniture.
    • “We have jetpacks now”
    • Pike’s birthday is a holiday… CRAP!
    • Boimler freaking out over the fact he made Spock laugh is such a Boimler thing.
    • Hey, a reference to his sehlat!
    • I like how they are using this episode to also move the other plotlines forward.
    • HE MENTIONED PIKE’S REALLY GREAT HAIR
    • Triticale, as opposed to Quadritriticale.
    • I totally saw Mariner coming.
    • Dystopian San Francisco!
    • “Have you noticed their references are weirdly specific?”
    • “Hot Spock agrees with me”
    • “It’s a poster that is pinned up”
    • I feel like Tawny herself probably demanded a scene with Uhura
    • Ah, there’s the Boimler scream!
    • “Holy Q!”
    • “They had a Trelane thing going on.”
    • “He had to contour the hell out of the jawline”
    • “Oh, I already know.” Hahaha, they finally got out-future knowledged.
    • Oh god, are they going to steal a piece of an NX?
    • Oh, just a piece of it in the Enterprise.
    • The “Mistress of the Winter Constellations” strikes again!
    • Of course Ransom calls Una the hottest first officer in starfleet history.
    • Hahaha, 2D animation Enterprise crew because they are drunk!
    • All-time classic.
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      312 years ago

      Of course Ransom calls Una the hottest first officer in starfleet history.

      It’s because they are married in real life. Jerry O’Connell and Rebecca Romijn that is, not Ransom and Numero Una.

    • @Vittelius@feddit.de
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      142 years ago

      Oh, according to the entertainment weekly article Tawny absolutely demanded a scene with Uhura (or at least pitched it to the writers)

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      Honestly if there wasn’t a mention of Pike’s Peak why are we even here?

    • Steve Sparrow
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      32 years ago

      But seriously what does the Koala know can we even handle such knowledge

  • @MaxHardwood@lemmy.ca
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    162 years ago

    I loved it. I was ready to be annoyed they didn’t do a LD animation style intro sequence but they nailed it; nacelle monster and all. Same for the ending; I was hopeful they would do the end scene LD style and again they just nailed it.

  • Captain_Ender
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    162 years ago

    Small note I LOVE that they’re extending the “not all Orions are pirates” theme!!! LD did such a great job demystifying a race of people with Ensign Tendi and it only makes sense that their people have always been more than just a stereotype even during the TOS era. Was cool to see Boimler help change that perception with the Enterprise crew and confirmed when the Orion science captain saying “that’s all we wanted” about being seen as explorers just like Star Fleet!

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      Apparently their visit back in time was always baked into this timeline. Explains why Temporal Investigations didn’t get involved. Pretty cool that Tendi, through Boimler, had a hand in building the foundation for better relations between the Federation and Orions.

      • Yes! Boimler is a great example of an ally here - he tells Pike, who he spends all episode worshiping, directly and politely that his bias against Orions is wrong.

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    152 years ago

    What a nice surprise after work on a Sunday!

    The episode was bloody tremendous! I knew they were going to appear in SNW but somehow I didn’t think it was going to be cartoon and live action together, I thought they would just be sucked into the past and we’d see the real actors. The intro and outro were both great. It was just brilliant all round.

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    492 years ago

    Loved having a Sunday morning cartoon 🖖

    This episode was way better than it needed to be. I was genuinely moved seeing Una’s reaction to the knowledge of her being the “poster girl”, as well as the reaction of the Orion captain at the end.

    Seeing Boimler and Mariner in this context really drives home how much Lower Decks is essentially “what if Trekkies could serve in Star Fleet” and it worked so well!

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      222 years ago

      Especially the poster girl part being how she (and her lawyer) presented her self in the trial in ep2

      • Corgana
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        Yes exactly! To Boimler it was a major and inspiring story out of history, but to Una it was a personal moment that happened only recently. Imagine being told something you did that you thought was relatively minor (and over) would inspire generations of people in the years to come. Her reaction was perfect.

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    An extremely fun episode, had a stupid grin on my face right from the opening.

    One thing that jumped out at me was the adjectives used: “scientists, explorers, adventurers.” The episode reinforced what Starfleet as an organization and Trek as a concept are all about.