I can’t really think of a reason for that as Reddit is hated somewhat equally by “both” sides of the spectrum. It’s just something I find interesting.
Federated sites overlap with leftist-adjacent interests. Software freedom, opposition to Facebook, weird illustrated porn, that sort of thing. Even if we’re not leftists - we’re the people who heard about Lemmy and went “oh, like Mastodon.”
Many leftists were also familiar with Mastodon, because they saw Twitter as a harassment engine. Every system is perfectly designed to produce its observed results. Even before Elmo took over, Twitter was a continuous source of misery by design, if not on purpose. Now it’s definitely on purpose. And it’s been tilted against leftists, specifically, for a long damn while.
Some people are here because the mainstream options were a threat to their physical safety.
Meanwhile, right-wing assholes aren’t leaving Twitter until they run out of victims. They just want an outgroup to yell at. They don’t even like alternatives made for them specifically, because they can’t stand each other, either. When they get tired of suffering their own company they’ll migrate over to Threads. And then endlessly whine that Threads is “bias” against them, no matter how blatantly Zuck ignores their abuse and silences their victims.
Reddit was in a damningly similar situation, long before Spez decided to burn down every scrap of trust and goodwill. Some of us have been waiting on a better alternative for ten fucking years. There wasn’t one. There still isn’t. The bastards in control just made reddit itself worse, in ways that make even passive use feel like a failure and a betrayal. Spez could personally hunt me down and kick me in the groin, and it wouldn’t leave me any less likely to waltz back in with a smile on my face. Dumb bastard made insane demands, killed the best interfaces, told us stupid lies, threw away our money, declared protest powerless, and threatened the people who do all of the fucking work on his empty box of a website… then says ‘they’ll come crawling back.’ Nooo shit the first people out were principled self-organizing curmudgeons.
That aside:
People here reasoning from what they pretend “conservative” must mean are actively doing harm. Political conservatism obeys none of the other dictionary definitions. It’s just a label. It’s the label chosen by generations of influential public figures whose general philosophy is “Well someone has to be the king.” That is their only constant, and it is a thought process baked into the human brain. It is our default. That’s why dealing with it is such frustrating bullshit.
Every system is perfectly designed to produce its observed results.
I don’t know if you strung that set of words together yourself or read it somewhere, but I had never quite heard it put that way before. Very succinct. Sorry, I’m very into language, sentences are like flowers to me and that’s a particularly nice blossom.
Re “conservatives,” it’s an extremely frustrating word because of how it’s been misused. I took Intro PoliSci once, my teacher was an open Marxist like me, and he taught us a non-loaded, non-controversial, non-toxic definition of political Conservatism - it was along the lines of, “Conservatives believe that societal change should be done slowly, with careful consideration, with as little disruption to the existing society as possible.” - and in all honesty, I once knew a few people who fit that description pretty good. They are long dead now, and I considered them devils at the time we knew each other, but I wish they were around right now, because I know we would all pretty much agree about all this bullshit - we spent a lot of time debating in places like this, and we got into a lot of what ifs. I don’t believe any of them would pinch their nose for the current leader of our (Canadian) Tories.
I’m not saying, if we were to apply your maxim about “observed results” to the matter, that that is what Conservatism is “perfectly designed” to do, but that’s more or less what the word actually means, and what the traditional branding of Conservatism has been; neither a desire to anachronistically cosplay the worst parts of the past, nor a desire to pointlessly harm life (another word they have barbarized to the point of uselessness), is actually an ideological feature of the traditional Conservative political body. In the 1950s the SBC approved of abortion. Look it up if you don’t believe me - there was once a time when they really did believe that life was precious. Jimmy Carter was one of em.
It’s the most fundamental aspect of how the modern Right uses routine gaslighting to sell their baldfaced neo-aristrocrat sceheme, because whatever individual opinions modern Conservatism might share with the GOP Nixon admin that started the EPA - an institution with a foundational intent so thoroughly conservative that they should be running CPAC - they are the ones attempting to radically change society in as short a time as possible.
If we go back to my Marxist professor’s definition, my Marxist ass is generally the most conservative one in most of the rooms I occupy.
What if I told you reddits antiwork was basically a glimpse of everything we’re seeing on far left Lemmy. Lemmy just doesn’t have a honeymoon stage for it.
It is driven entirely by the moderators. r/Canada got taken over by alt-right moderators which attracted alt-right redditors.
Didn’t Stephen Colbert coin that phrase? I thought he said it at the White House Correspondence Dinner or something.
Could be. Drew has also said it, that’s where I first heard it so that’s where I’ve attributed it.
I say this as a fan of Colbert.
Isn’t Drew a conservative?
That’s disappointing if true. I loved Fark back in the day!
Forget lemmy. Let’s all go hang out at Fark again.
Looks like I’m behind the times. I checked his wikipedia page because I remembered he ran for Governor of Kentucky, but the page didn’t list his political affiliation in that race. But in 2019, he ran for State Auditor as a Democrat. So perhaps he isn’t!
Eh…
¯\_ (ツ) _/¯In the grand scheme of things, both major US partys still primary subscribe to some version of liberalism at their core, although that’s changing on both fronts.
People need to realize that in a world wide perspective, liberals are considered right wing for being capitalist. They’re only left wing in the fucked up US political landscape that is so far skewed right.
I’ve observed the opposite, but left it’s a broad paintbrush, best to use six or nine point political axes.
Lemmy seems to get a lot more diverse comments, I see less uniform anti capitalism sentiment for example, lots of folks seem to be more Libertarian than Auth Left for example.
I’ve also seen a lot more pro free speech people, and dissenting opinions too, so since the current left trends towards limiting free speech, this also feels different than Reddit.
This is my observations, it may not be true, but it’s my impression.
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I’m not sure if you’re talking about the left on a world wide scale, but in America I really don’t think it’s fair to say that the left is the side limiting free speech. Sure, they may paint the use of certain words as distasteful, but that’s basically the extent. Leftists don’t even tend to get the law involved outside of defining what may or may not be hate speech.
On the other side of the aisle, the right wing party is promoting book bans and firing teachers they disagree with. Several states have a version of the “don’t say gay” bill that literally prohibits teachers from explaining why one student has two dads, and a similar bill that prohibits institutions from simply acknowledging a kid’s preferred name. Texas and Florida are defunding colleges with curriculums they as a party don’t like. Louisiana (along with a few other states) passed a bill requiring you to prove who you are with state ID before you can view something they deem inappropriate.
All of those things are actual examples of infringing the concept of free speech. Does the left do anything remotely like those things?
It’s the conservatives that ban books, not the left of the right. It’s the same in the USA, but for example we have a very conservative communist party (obviously - they want to return to what they think were good old days, but like the GOP across the pond) and a progressive right-wing pirate party that’s largely made up of rich young techies, so leaning right economically but currently pushing marihuana legalisation.
Let’s all log on to truth social and have the same discussion. Imagine how that would turn out.
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Left wingers: “The right is full of neo-fascists who want to exploit natural resources, subjugate minorities, project their own pedophilia habits onto us, roll back the clock on women’s rights, and are willing to lie, cheat, beg, borrow, and steal to get it all done!”
Right wingers: “The left is ANNOYING!”
I think you’ll find a lot more leftists interested in platforms that are not powered solely by money and profit. Lemmy, much like Mastodon and other federated platforms, only need instances to run to be usable. It doesn’t require millions of dollars to keep it afloat.
Generally speaking centrist and right wingers, especially in Western countries, tend to be very capitalist. They only understand the value in terms of money.
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Probably because this migration may be related to the anti-corpo sentiment, which is more common in leftist circles
I think everything West is leftish at the moment.
The Soviet Union went alt right, what could be more natural for the west to go left?
I’m Gen X, it’s all a bit too weird for me.
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It’s a more techy community since that tends to be early adopters. They tend to lean pretty heavy left and are more informed. You still have the techys with anime profile pics and are 4chan/incel that are right wing though. They get defederated really quick though.
I’m 4chan and I’m a scary website hiding in ur bushes waitin
Curiosity, so just because I have an anime profile picture. You suddenly consider me an “incel” and a 4chan?
Sounds mean man. I just really like anime, never been an incel and never used 4chan.
