This will be devastating to all those horse girls too 😟
Gone are the days when your buddy is like “Hey check it out I drew you as a snow leopard!” at recess. That shit is now contraband.
anthropomorphic behavior
Anyone else morbidly curious about what happens if they don’t fix the bill’s wording and accidentally ban “human-shaped behavior” at school?
My thoughts too!
How ironic. By trying to make people not act like animals, they force everyone to behave like animals.
SSSHHHHHHHHHH!!!
Oklahoma conservatives vs word with more than 3 syllables challenge, who will win?
I wonder if this will be the end of school mascots in Oklahoma
Not gonna lie, if a Furry told me they got arrested by animal control I’d be impressed.
Kind of like getting a speeding ticket on a bicycle…
That happened to me once! I was 15 and going to school, was riding a Lotus Eclair I’d fixed up. I entered the school zone and wanted to see if I could get over 25 mph. But there was a cop hiding and I got a ticket. I had to tell my parents, and I think they were impressed with my 31 in a 25 speeding ticket.
The best part was having to go to court, and the judge asking how I got a Lotus (she was thinking of a car) and then upon learning the truth, asking the officer why he was wasting his time stopping a kid on a bicycle.
Humphrey’s bill, House Bill 3084, would ban “students who purport to be an imaginary animal or animal species, or who engage in anthropomorphic behavior commonly referred to as furries at school” from participating in class and school activities.
This is, hands down, the worst description of furries I have ever read in my entire life.
So what I’m hearing is if I tell the teacher I’m a platypus I don’t have to go to class?
Guaranteed if this law got passed there would be a high school somewhere where the entire student body shows up wearing cat ears.
“What is my purport?”
“You are a furry”
“No”
I mean the impression I had for like a decade was essentially this. Then a guy sent me links on how to be his specific type of fantasy creature. It was sergel or sergal iirc. It had some really weird backstory and lore to the species detailing how they were warlords or something and I was really weirded out. It was very much like how some kids I went to school with would loose it if you told them that they weren’t whatever comic or movie character they were hyperfixated on, only more socially awkward and adults doing it.
Anyway I feel like that’s as close as you can get without reading out someones entire backstory novel.
…yeah that sounds about right for sergals, tbh
Generally speaking, once you get past the “traditional” species like foxes, rabbits, cats, etc., and start getting more into the esoteric fantasy/scifi species like sergals, protogens, and yinglets, the people who create characters for those species tend to fall into one of two camps:
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super srs “you must follow this lore to the letter or I will end you, by which I mean I will post a FurAffinity journal for my 7 followers complaining about your character diverging from the lore that nobody will pay attention to” types
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“oh this looks cool I’m gonna make one and put my own twist on the design” types
Funny story, the person who originally designed protogens tried to be the first type, but pretty much everyone ignored him and just did their own thing anyway
what the devil is that contraption your describing ? What is a protogens ?
I’M SCARED
They’re literally fluffy cyborgs with an LED monitor display for a face lol
by god…
Fucking child murder
The fuck?
I think (hope) they’re referring to the last panel of that comic.
Don’t be scared. Protogens run on 2015 Bayesian Inference search results from Google before Google became inherently evil.
So as long as long as they don’t update…
so if we connect them to internet we die ? Is that right ?
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How would you describe furries?
The above description would fit many many circumstances that are not furry related or problematic at all. Saying “I’m a cat. no, really” or meowing or licking your hand would all fit that description, (except not really because the word anthropomorphic is used wrong), but don’t mean a person is a furry. Moreover these behaviors by themselves don’t cause any problems unless you imagine a bunch of other stuff that’s not included in this definition.
So it is an overbroad law that allows prosecutors to apply it selectively and at the same time is very hard to defend against.
A better definition for the purpose of the law would describe some behavior that actually causes damage to society, like disrupting class or arresting kids at school for saying they are a cat.
A better definition of a furry would probably include some kind of pattern of behavior and the extent to which it impacts daily life, as here
I wouldn’t use a definition that includes some kid prancing around race track pretending to be a horse. That’s just kids being kids and politicians need to stop sexualizing them.
Not even sexualizing, right?
I love furry culture because I can see the art that’s intended for Magic The Gathering cards before it goes into print.
The internet has to get over this furry shame and start collectively recognizing that a tail is like a necktie for your butt, and everyone should have one, because it’s rather flattering.
Ironically also means that it basically wouldn’t apply to anyone unless that person specifically wants it to. Performative outrage bill.
yeah you see you can’t do the intelligent thing of just saying “you have to come to school with normal clothes on” which is literally what countries with a brain did. Also this is generally left to the school to set up. In France the law just says that a school is allowed to implement rules regarding clothing. Just simply think of P.E clothing. The law has a couple safeguard like you can’t ban a specific outfit for being from another culture (obvious) and the rest is left for the school to decide
Like basically every school in the US has a dress code already. Don’t get this twisted into something else, this is purely performative nonsense by some backwoods inbred redneck.
Hell, it sounds like something Kindergarteners have been doing since forever.
I used to pretend to be a monster at that age. Would they have to call Monster Control?
(I was a nice monster, like on Sesame Street.)
I once met a person that was made to believe that “animal-kin” children were being given their own litter boxes in a similar way that transgender children would get their own bathrooms.
The issue with the people who think like this is that they see a few things not like them (a few transgender people) and extrapolate it to utter nonsense (millions of children declaring themselves animals and demanding litter boxes).
If they would think about what they are saying; they would reliaze that their claims are impossible. But then again, they are in their own reality where everything they do makes sense…?
I’m sorry for using such an absurd example but it’s a thing older conservatives I know actually believe in.
I know I’m late to the party, but my go-to refutation is “Ok, name one school that’s doing that. Go ahead and look it up on your phone.”
Then point out if a single school actually did have litter boxes for the kids the name of the school and everyone involved would be easy to find. It’s not something that could be kept secret: just one person has to say something – a kid talking to their relative, faculty, a parent, etc. Once that happened FOX, OANN, etc would be on that like flies on shit … and they would name and shame.
But they aren’t, because it’s bullshit.
Oh you have no idea how far that rumor spread. School systems had to issue public denials. One not that far from me did-
There were apparently some schools that had cat litter around because children can’t go to toilets during school shooting lockdowns, which is terrible in its own way.
I think that’s also made up propaganda. Kitty litter is used by janitorial staff basically everywhere (at least in the US) to clean up vomit and other semi-wet solids. Children are prolific pukers so it’s not surprising that basically every school has a bunch of kitty litter in their janitorial closets.
And maybe, just maybe, the school has some cats that hang around. One of the teachers at my high school had a classroom cat.
That link explained what a fury is using the word “fursona.” 😂
Also, thank you. I guess that rumor has to come from somewhere. Though the redirect for the article of where the tumor came from was behind a pay wall.
This is going to really suck for the school mascot.
It’s interesting that his official government website doesn’t really have any basic defenses. It allows you to message him without even making up a fake address in his district. Doesn’t even seem to check to see if you enter in bogus information like a phone number with all 5s. Also interesting that outside of hours calls to his office go right to a non-full mailbox.
I do hope no one just calls outside of their posted hours and leave long messages talking about nothing or uses the website to contact him.
Please no one do things like that.
At first I thought this was satire, but I’m seeing similar articles in tons of other places like Huffpost and Vice. So this is actually true?! Stay strong, my friends…
(I don’t have a fursuit or see myself as an animal or anything, but this is crazy. And a total waste of resources too. Hopefully voters are educated enough to see that this is absurd.)
It’s true that such a bill was introduced, but wacky bills are introduced all the time. This is proposed legislation, they haven’t even voted on it yet, and it’s extremely unlikely to pass.
But i think it’s also true that you can tell where legislator’s minds are based on what wacky bills they introduce.
As far as I can tell, Humphrey’s job appears to be one where he proposes bullshit legislation ad nauseam, just to waste the legislature’s time.
What bugs me about bills like this is that many state legislatures have limits on how many bills a single member can introduce per session. Lots of good stuff gets put on hold because nobody is willing to use one of their slots on it. Then some asshats use their slots to introduce shit like this.
I’m temporarily unlocking this post again, but I’ll be keeping an eye on it. I don’t want to see it descend into vitriolic lashing out at one another again. Come on, people, keep it civil. This is supposed to be a fun and welcoming community for everyone, and I want it to stay that way.
And assholes should be required to be picked up by proctologists.
Imagine being an animal control guy and having a school seriously call you and ask you to take a stranger’s child because of that child’s participation in a subculture.
“Here kiddy kiddy kiddy”
Imagine having the cops called on you for being a child predator when you’re just animal control.
I don’t think I’d have the willpower to avoid responding by calling them pigs on the loose. I’d already want to be dead as animal control tasked with catching furry schoolchildren.
Child control
Imagine working for the state and being ordered to engage in a random citizen’s kink.
Yes, I know being a furry isn’t just a kink.
being ordered to engage in a random citizen’s
That’s called oppression. Also furry is an identity, believe it or not.
Be a furry. But do you really think fur suits belong in a classroom?
There aren’t fursuits in class and the bill is worded so broadly that saying “meow” would violate it.
Ah well I guess I assumed the bill was written to remove people wearing fur suits to class. In general yeah, you shouldn’t remove someone from class because they’re a furry.
A bill prohibiting fursuits in class, beyond how rare it would be for a student to have one in the first place, would be redundant anyway, because I’m pretty sure such things wouldn’t fit most schools dress code anyway
Who cares though. It’s a fur suit. It’s basically identical to a mascot costume.
Yeah I totally wear my mascot costume in class.
I’m not buying the “furry isn’t just a kink” thing at all, but please enlighten me. How does it qualify as an identity?
“Furry” is just yet another accepting group that is easy to get into for people who feel like they don’t belong anywhere and others. It’s quite simple and the same as many other things.
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Did they say “in the same way being trans is?” A person’s identity encompasses far more than just their gender and sexual orientation, things like hobbies or career or group affiliations are absolutely part of who a person is, so being a band member would fit. Not in the same way or for the same reason, but they didn’t say that it was.
life is not this complicated dude, you’re unreasonable.
I didn’t stop reasoning. You did, as you have no answer to my ad absurdum argument lol.
Belonging to a fandom or other special interest community is typically something that is done through self-identification, which is different than identities that are not chosen, but still part of a broader idea of identity. There are plenty of examples of these self-chosen identities: Trekkies, Potterheads, Bronies, Cumberbitches, etc. Simply watching Star Trek doesn’t make you a Trekkie though, it’s a label people apply to themselves when they feel invested in that thing and want to be part of a community of people who feel the same. That’s all. I also hate to tell you that there are themed sex parties at Star Trek conventions too, so does that make being a Trekkie a kink? Is doing the Vulkan salute and telling someone to “live long and prosper” in public forcing that kink on others?
No, it’s not. There’s just some things that shouldn’t be normalized.
I doubt any kid is gunna wear a full mascot costume to school outside of the actual school mascot. Those costumes cost thousands of dollars to buy and at least half a grand to make from scratch and proper cleaning and maintenance means it fits into furry culture in the same function as wearing a tux . It’s a rare highschool student who can afford one and a rarer one who would risk wearing one where it might be ruined.
The most you are likely to see is Halloween style cat ears and tails of the variety that are readily bought at the gift shop of a zoo… Which kids love to wear because kids like animals in a “I’m pretending I’m a tiger grrr rawr!” schoolyard kind of way.
Kids like weird stuff and have a narrow band of time to play pretend and express themselves beyond adult judgment. Trying to up the humiliation factor and traumatizing kids for doing regular kid stuff and coming down hard on a largely made up problem is just double mild weak sauce in action. Guy’s a jerk.
I don’t know if any kid beyond the age of like 5 that acts like an animal. 30 years ago when I was in school it was never a thing either.
There’s a huge difference between a kid (under 10) and a young adult (17, 28 or older) doing this stuff. You know as well as I do that Furries aren’t just a group of kids playing as animals on the playground for an hour, it goes a lot deeper than that.
I mean 20 years ago it was already a thing. I have enough friends who were at very least furry adjacent to know that for the majority of them it was basically a lower key funny art thing with an element where people were expressing themselves kind of the same way they resonated with like horoscopes and things with a fashion element. Like we had people who wore cat ears because they thought they were cute or drew avatars of themselves and their friends as animals because of some sort of perceived caracature of your traits physical or personality based.
Cosplay culture was something that was on the rise when I was a kid but being a goth was huge when I was in school. It was all skulls, vampire shit, and leather spiked collars, bracers , trenchcoats and fishnets and kind of kitschy fake witchcraft you pretended was actually spooky … But of all the kids that kind of were into it most were completely oblivious to how many of those fashion elements came from the bdsm and fetish community and really couldn’t have cared less because that wasn’t why they liked it. SO many of us were complete prudes by any standard. Like, of my cohort of goth kids about 75 percent of us were still virgins when we graduated.
Teenagers like to play dressup just like your 5 year old does, that’s why anime conventions are so dang popular. We’re just old now and the stuff changes and it doesn’t make sense to us.
Wearing cat ears or drawing someone as an animal isn’t as extreme wearing a full-body animal suit and telling people to call you “buttercup”, that’s the shit I’m talking about.
Also you can’t even compare being Goth to being a Furry.
Pretty sure that will leave the animal control people open to being charged with botched citizen arrests. Not sure what Oklahoma’s particular arrest laws are like but for most States you are pretty limited in what you can do to perform one and the standards of places you can use to detain an arrested person in are usually at least required to be humane and actively monitored.
The answer to "Little Timmy wore a tiger costume to school for Halloween do you have a cage available? " should properly be “Get fucked authoritarian scum I have actual work to do.”
$10 says the state legislator responsible for the bill is whatever the most-outlandish type of furry possible is.
Probably one of those weird fascist ones that everyone else in the fandom wishes didn’t exist.
Nazi furry.
Right?! Furries aren’t even remotely on the public conscience so how the fuck does he even know about them otherwise
Dude just caught a rerun of the csi episode and went into panic mode
As a sad citizen of Oklahoma, I wish I could upvote you more than once.
I wouldn’t joke about that if I were you, vote manipulation is a big problem on Lemmy and since the tools for detection aren’t very good (if even there at all) it might cause people to suspect you of cheating the system.
So he is just trolling to get headlines and get his name in the papers.
Jesus christ do these law makers just have nothing going on? We should really be revoking their pay for what is a complete dumpster fire of a waste of our taxes. I don’t want my money going to some white racist dumb fuck basing reality off of Fox news rage articles in his Facebook feed.
They observed that half of the population loves catty, bitchy, high school mean girl Jerry Springer drama. It’s intentional.
