How are the health risks of vaping marijuana?
(Guesstimating) Better than smoking, but as any doctor will tell you, putting anything that isn’t air into your lungs is worse than not putting anything that isn’t air into your lungs.
I say this as someone who both smokes and vapes cannabis.
Vapor Genie and properly vape flower. 0 side effects.
I use a Dynavap VonG and a Boundless Tera, and am probably going to upgrade to a ball vape.
I really don’t think there are literally 0 side effects. It is still something that isn’t air going into your lungs.
Man, I dunno about you, but as someone who vaped and smoked weed a couple years back, the vaping was way worse for me. I would get these weird phlegmy coughs that I never got from smoking. I think part of it is that vapes hits feel so weak, so I would end up just power dragging my hits, causing this effect. There were days where I swear my lungs actually felt like they hurt.
Stopped vaping and haven’t had this issue since. Anecdotal, but there you go.
Complete opposite for me. When I vape, my throat feels “cleaner” vs when I smoke, which is when I get those phlegm-ey coughs.
I had the same experience, coughed more too.
Data suggest it mainly affects the ability to formulate clear sentences.
Lol!
Tobacco lobby
All advertising for all tobacco products should be banned, including of course the product placement bullshit.
Other than that, and age restrictions, people should have the right to consume it. They should not have the right to force other people to consume it, as in secondhand smoke.
Same with other addictive and/or harmful products.
All advertising for all tobacco products should be banned, including of course the product placement bullshit.
Same with other addictive and/or harmful products.
Is advertising for addictive and/or harmful products really that much worse than advertising for products in general? Think about it.
(You might be predisposed to read the above as a defense of advertising, but it’s quite the opposite.)
I agree that advertising is in itself part of the overall cultural problem of the system. However that doesn’t mean the specific forms or contents of advertisements aren’t more problematic than others.
I think so. Every time is see someone smoke on TV I instantly want one. I imagine it’s very similar for people with gambling addiction.
Really you shouldn’t be allowed to sell anything that is physically addictive. The consumer isn’t choosing to buy it, they are compelled to.
How about candy advertisements? Soda? Coffee? Anything with sugar in it?
I mean yes. It’s addictive and bad for your health.
Like alcohol and cigarettes, just because it’s considered normal doesn’t mean it should get an exception.
I think grue is trying to make you think just one step further:
ALL advertising is bad. It’s something we just started accepting as being nearly everwhere in society, but it’s ALL bad. It uses an immoral, bastardization of psychology and sociology to force messages on a populace designed to make them buy and consume more shit they don’t need.
They pollute our streets, our buildings, our sky’s. They flood our airwaves, our internet, even new technology like phones and TV’s will have them hard baked in. Ads showing people with happy, full, contented lives that you could have too if only you bought this shiny product!
Make vaping look as disgusting as it is, the same we did for tobacco. Vaping in public is gross, portray the act as such.
Also, “These are your lungs. These are your lungs on vape.”
Yeah well the “problem” if you want to call it that is that e cigarettes don’t harm your lungs anywhere near the level of tobacco smoke.
There is no “these are your lungs on vape” bc frankly your lungs will look pretty normal.
If you’re interested in the data, look at the studies that have come out of the UK and the statements their public health officials have put out.
There is a public knowledge problem in the US regarding vaping because of reporting on the short lived emergence of so called “EVALI” (ecig/vaping associated lung injury) which hospitalized some teenagers and adults.
EVALI was determined to be caused by Vitamin E Acetate which was a flavoring additive used in some illegal THC vapes. Once the cause was determined, even the shady illegal vape makers stopped using that ingredient. But the reputational damage to ecigs remained. EVALI was a US only problem and a short lived one at that.
Data broadly shows that ecigs are a much safer alternative to combustible cigarettes for nicotine consumption.
There was also the diacetyl scare that affect e juice internationally.
Regardless, the nicotine itself causes emphysema, it just takes a while so we don’t have a lot of visible damage yet.
EVALI was determined to be caused by Vitamin E Acetate which was a flavoring additive used in some illegal THC vapes.
It wasn’t even a flavoring additive. It was sold under the name “Honey Cut” and was used to dilute cannabis oil to rip off customers. That’s why it never showed up in the legal market.
The politicians are paid by the tobacco companies. There is money to be made, and a new generation will replace tobacco smokers and ensure that the tobacco industry will survive for longer.
Nicotine is socially accepted, that is the other main problem.
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Seriously, the other day on the bus I was enjoying my favorite snack, skunk glands infused with fox urine, and people had the audacity to tell me I can’t put these things in my own body. Dictators.
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Some people seem to think that if we just correct all of our unhealthy habits we will live forever. My life has been better with some unhealthiness in it, and times that I’ve stopped has proven that. It’s your body and your time, so you should be able to use it like you want to.
“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!”
Hunter Thompson
A man who reached sixty-seven, wealthy and loved, and put a gun in his mouth while at the kitchen table.
While talking on the phone with his wife. His son, daughter in law and 6 year old grandson were all in the house.
No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun - for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax - This won’t hurt.
Then the sound like someone dropped a heavy book.
Didn’t he have terminal cancer, wanting to die his way and not wasting away from a horrible disease?
I don’t believe so. He had a bunch of health problems- dealing with recovery from a broken back, hip, and also a lung infection. But I don’t think cancer was part of the equation, ttbomk
Ok, glad to be educated.
I would rather live a shorter life where I enjoy myself than a longer one where I restrict myself.
It’s the drugs going into air that other people have to breathe, or behavior while under the influence that endangers other people that’s the problem.
The danger of passing a cigarette on the street pales in comparison to urban pollution, poorly regulated restaurants, and even household cleaners for the number of toxins you expose yourself to. Worrying about second hand smoke outside makes as much sense as worrying about malaria from a mosquito while you’re trapped in a cage with lions.
Not when you’re allergic. And even when you’re not, I’ve only met one smoker who realizes how awful they smell and tries to mitigate it.
You do realize this is a hugely fallacious argument, right?
their body their rulez. stay inside if you are a bubble boy ~~~~
Stay inside if you insist on indulging in a disgusting habit. I’m not stopping you from destroying yourself, but no one should have to suffer for your stupid choices.
But smoking in public is intrinsically selfish, so I should know better than to debate it with a smoker. Nothing would convince you to have a little courtesy and class.
Ah yes, discriminate against people, great job not being the bigot
oh wait, you ARE the bigot
You understand that the guy they’re replying to literally described them as “Bubble Boy” for being allergic to smoke?
As @dragonflyteaparty said, if them turning the argument back around is bigotry, doesn’t that make the guy they replied to a bigot?
They literally just turned the argument around on you and you call them a bigot. Doesn’t that make your argument bigotry?
All that dangerous behavior like snacking relentlessly and laughing at dumb jokes, what horror! Also edibles have no secondhand smoke to inhale.
More like car accidents, second hand lung damage in children of smokers, and overdosing.
I’m not talking about just marijuana, but you definitely come across as insecure about it.
thats why vape is KING safe children
OD on cannabis?
The conversation was about vaping, and for those who struggle with reading comprehension, I clearly stated I was talking about more than just cannabis.
And when the government can effectively prevent massive amounts of benzene from going into the air, they are more than welcome to work on the trace amounts of nicotine.
It’s not a zero sum. You can be against both.
That argument sounds like someone whining about car accidents while setting themselves on fire… one does not make the other okay.
But people aren’t against it. They are against cigarettes and vaping because they don’t like them. Alchohol? Totally fine. Pills? Goochie. Caffeine? Can’t live without it. And if it’s a matter of smell, then when are we making not showering illegal? Also, axe body spray, perfumes, incense, and any other form of non-consensual smells?
These things will never be banned because people like them. The same argument applies, but it doesn’t get railed against because they don’t bother you.
One is clearly worse, can be stopped, and isn’t bullshit.
The other is whiny bullshit, and your analogy sucks.
We should only make beating others illegal once we successfully prevented all murder
It’s about ease of enforcement. If you can’t enforce a law, it’s bullshit lip service.
You’d be right, but those trace amount of nicotine are often going straight into our faces for the crime of being downwind of someone smoking/vaping without a care in the world.
Health effects aside, I’d appreciate not having to breath in or smell other people’s second-hand smoke/vape.
There’s more nicotine in your average pasta sauce than you’ll absorb by following a vaping person for an hour. I know you’re talking about a principle… but it’s not a very strong argument.
Okay, assuming that’s true, when I eat pasta with sauce, the person next to me doesn’t end up ingesting my pasta sauce.
When you smoke/vape, the people are forced to inhale your exhaust as they breath (which we don’t really get a lot of choice in doing).
It’s like saying because you got an X-ray you shouldn’t worry about bathing in the sun for too long.
You’re breathing the same air they are, whether you can see it or not…
You missed the point. More accurate would be: because you watched TV for an hour you shouldn’t worry about someone shining a flashlight on you. That’s the level of consequences we’re talking about and it sounds ridiculous when someone blows them out of proportions. Maybe we should start worrying about anal residue too because people are farting outside.
you are one selfish bastard huh
I’d argue the people blowing their exhaust onto passers by are more selfish, considering the passers by don’t get a choice in breathing, but sure I’m the selfish one.
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It does go both ways, but saying “my body, my right” when what you’re doing has a physical, unhealthy effect on the people around you I’d argue is more selfish than my wanting you to stop.
Imagine if people just stood outside of buildings constantly coughing and spluttering germs at you whenever you walked past. You’d want them to stop, no?
In countries with universal healthcare, there is an argument that government should take a more active role in dissuading the use of substances that cause social harm and harm to the body and result in long term expenditure for public health. The detail is in how far government should go, e.g. educational initiatives, regulation, or prohibition, etc.
Countries with Universal Healthcare are always the worst places to get any treatment done, the US still to date is the best country for medical treatment of any kind
If you’re a billionaire maybe.
I’m all for safe substance use if wanted, but vapes are dangerous. I smoked cigarettes, then changed over to vaping and now use snus. Nicotine is a huge problem with it’s addictiveness.
Vapes in the current state they are sold, are like candy to young people and the shops treat it that way. Vaping makes it easy to consume nicotine, and once your body is addicted it craves more and more. The amount of nicotine in these vapes is obscene. And you can do it everywhere with them. You don’t smell it like cigarettes. You can get vapes in any taste you desire. I consumed way more nicotine when I was vaping than with cigarettes.
I use cannabis to sleep (legally) and consume on moderation, just enough to do the job. While on an extended trip just now, I purchased a cartridge and battery for convenience and to try it out (I normally vape cannabis flower). It was shocking to me how quickly and frequently I would use it if I wasn’t really being strict with myself. The ease of use made it trivial, the amount of product at a high concentration made it something I didn’t have to think about, and it tasted and smelled like blueberry. I’ll ask back to my normal methods but it gave me something to think about. There is still quite a bit left in the cartridge. To your point, it was very affordable, convenient, and psychologically speaking “addictive”.
Shouldn’t conflate THC distillate vaping with nicotine vaping. They are very different things
I have never tried nicotine vaping but I imagine the ease of consumption and ease of concealing the use of the product are very similar. If you smoke a cigarette, people know. But if you hit a cart, it’s pretty hard to tell even minutes later, especially if outside.
Yeah the convenience and the flavor are the main problems for me. If the prepackaged vapes would come in non candy flavors, a lot of potential new consumers wouldn’t touch vapes. They should be an alternative for smokers and not a new revenue stream for tobacco conglomerates based on a new generation who know smoking in general is bad.
If THC vapes are properly vetted and the buyer is informed about possible health impacts I’m totally ok with that.
health impacts of vapes? none mate
but yea go ahead and inhale all that carbon monoxide in your flowers bro wenwont miss you
We can say that, but people also started smoking cigarettes (which arguably don’t taste like candy) as minors. Should we ban all flavoured alcohol too? Alcohol is also addictive and unhealthy. This would mean no more beers, wines, coolers, etc, just watered down alcohol. Does that also sound like a good plan to you? Maybe banning flavours specifically isn’t the only possible solution here.
It might also be good to try to make kids getting caught smoking more difficult for the parents to deal with than it is for them deal with an angry teen. I mean, these kids are getting these vapes from somewhere. Some kids are getting them from their own parents. Where did parental/social responsibility go? Kids shouldn’t be able to get ANY nicotine in the first place, imo.
maybe grow up 👆 and control yourself
you sound exactly like an alcoholic blaming the bottle and not THEMSELVES
I get you’re just a troll, but to anyone else reading this, this is an Archaic way of looking at addiction.
Saying that vapes are dangerous is misinformation at best. Vaping got you off smoking cigarettes (congrats btw), which are far more dangerous. Yes, you may have consumed more nicotine, but you didn’t consume any of the other thousands of toxic or even carcinogenic chemicals present in cigarette smoke.
I meant dangerous as in that it attracts people who would have never started smoking. While cigarettes are more dangerous, vaping also has it’s drawbacks. The base fluid may be safe to consume, but the flavorings are the problem in my eyes. They appeal to a younger audience and the ingredients are most often not known (Corresponding study if you want to dive deeper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK507184/#_sec_000093_ )
Additionally nicotine in itself is not something I would want anyone to be addicted to.
Legos are dangerous for children they become addicted and addiction is bad
thats what you sound like mate a bafoon
Being a liability to the state by taking drugs known to cause harm is also hilariously unjustified by that same metric. Sure let people decide with things like weed, shrooms whatever mellow shit they want but shit like heroin, vapes causing lung damage and putting pressure on already stressed out health infrastructures across the word needs to be governed.
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 heroin vapes this dude lives in a basement 12 floors underground
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I can’t believe you really just put heroin & vapes causing lung damage together. Insane. I have relatives addicted to both and it’s genuinely aggravating to see someone say something so disconnected.
I’d take a family of vape addicts over a single heroin addict a million times over.
So people are nothing more than a statistic to you? What an insanely warped mentality that only a slave owner could love
Bro I could say the same thing about global warming, vaccines, race, and abortions, but I’m still surrounded by people fighting progress. Vaping is no different.
I don’t quite understand how the science is clear if “there is still no data on the long-term effects of e-cigarettes”.
We dont have long term data because e-cigarettes haven’t been used for a long time. They got popular ten years back?
So the science isn’t clear yet. It’s still emerging
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Also, as a vaper who switch from cigs because I was desperate for an alternative, I’m also curious about the different strata of products that exist on the market. For example, I visit a juice shop that mixes their products on site with pure materials, and I get to customize what exactly appears within my harmful juices. I build and maintain my parts as well. How does this approach compare to ‘over the connivence store counter’ kits like Juul?
It wouldn’t surprise me if those products contain preservatives, or byproducts of a corporation skirting regulatory lines, that could be hazardous for consumer health. Though, that is purely my speculation — yet I wonder if my choice method of getting my sweet, sweet nicotine will get lumped in with everything else.
You would think 10 years would be enough time to see a groups increased risk to associated illnesses. If I made a study group and made them smoke daily for 10 years there would definitely be poorer health. The science is pretty clear, but the WHO doesn’t want to admit that vapes are net neutral, whereas tobacco is bad, so obviously that would make vapes “healthy” in comparison.
Nicotine in the body acts much like caffeine, it increases your blood pressure, giving the effect of a “calmer” feeling, and headaches when in withdrawal. No one is lobbying against coffee/caffeinated drinks, even though it’s understood that too much caffeine can cause health risks. That’s really where we’re at. Alternative methods like nicotine gum or patches have existed for a long time and while there can be dependencies formed on these, no one would dare say nicotine gum is as dangerous as smoking cigarettes. The associated cancer risks from tobacco come from the carcinogens that are created when burning tobacco, not from the nicotine itself
Anything other than air going in to your lungs is bad. Vaping puts stuff that isn’t air into your lungs. The science is clear on that.
Just how much damage it’s doing isn’t really clear because they’re only becoming really popular now, but it is doing damage.
Cool. The science is in, when are we banning coffee?
I’m be fine with them banning coffee so that’s not the “gotcha!” you think it is. Alcohol too btw. Alcohol especially should be banned tbh.
Coffee isn’t inhaling stuff into your lungs that isn’t air though. I’m assuming you’re saying “caffein = bad”? People aren’t filling their lungs with caffeine from coffee.
Again - science is settled here. If it’s not oxygen it’s bad if it goes into your lungs.
Why do all of these articles always assume all vaping is nicotine-related? It’s exchanging the words “e-cigarette” with “vape”. Seems irresponsible of the author. It’s like writing an article on the dangers of squares and mixing in the word rectangle
The title is bad. I think the reasons though are most research is done on e-cigarettes and more people use them than thc vapes. Specifically young adults or teens use them a lot which many people didn’t expect and there is worry about.
Most of these anti smoking articles are written by people who don’t understand smoking devices themselves. Irresponsible for sure.
When are we, as a society, going to wake up and realize that teenagers are going to do whatever we tell them not to do. It happens over and over and over, but people are still surprised. “That’s bad for you” is about as ineffective as a deterrent as it gets. I breath all manner of fumes, exhaust, and whatnot every day. Our land, sea, and food supply is packed to the brim with forever chemicals and microplastics. Those are bad for us, but we seem more worried about what we are intentionally putting in our bodies? Okay, sure.
“They’re targeting kids!” Because adults don’t like things that taste good, y’know. Fuck the kids. They’ll be alright DESPITE all the meddling us adults do.
I appreciate your “aww shucks, kids gonna be kids” worldview; however, the data is clear, we have dramatically reduced the rate at which young people smoke cigarettes by instituting rules and guidelines concerning advertising targeting adolescents. Further, we have clear data showing that level of education greatly effects the likelihood of an individual using tobacco.
So with all due respect, this is something we can easily tackle. We know for certain the adolescents respond readily to marketing, and we therefore can control tobacco adoption by reducing said marketing to their demographic. This isn’t anywhere near as futile as you’re making it out to be.
Can you link me some of this child-focused advertising? Not calling anyone a liar, but I (personally) have never seen vapes marketed in any way other than “hey, we sell these” and am interested.
Google the instagram juul ads that they got into major legal trouble over.
They made them look like a cool lifestyle product and as a result lots of not too bright kids started vaping without even realizing that they were a nicotine consumption device.
All that being said, I overall do think vapes are good and that candy flavors totally appeal to adults and shouldn’t be banned. I’m fine with limits on advertising, and mostly I really think comprehensive and honest drug education for kids will empower them to make good choices.
Having worked with my government for school dental programs, I’ve met my fair share of students age 12 to 17 who smoke because their parents do. You’re right that marketing is a huge part of it, but I wanted to share the parents’ responsibility also.
“Marketing” here being entirely incidental is the point, that the products appeal to youth simply by existing. To my knowledge, there aren’t any literal advertisements going around to young people like those ridiculous Juul ads 5 or so years ago. Talking about specific types of imagery or colours on packaging, or the types of flavours used in a flavoured product as “marketing” is using an umbrella term to suggest intent to actively market to kids, but that isn’t a thing that’s happening.
Why are people all of sudden so concerned about other people’s health? I should be able to do just about anything I want to my body, as long as it has minimal impact on those around me. I can understand second hand smoke being a problem indoors, what impacts does exhaling vapor have on others?
This has been going on for a while, at least since the 80s/90s. I still remember the TV commercials from when I was a kid likening smokers to cartoon villains.
It’s social engineering. Those advert programs of the 90s made it to where people felt comfortable publicly shaming smokers (walking by fake coughing, or flat telling people they’re gross).
I’m with you in that as long as I’m not puffing away on a busy sidewalk or inside a shared space, as an adult I should be free to indulge as I see fit (nevermind that I won’t smoke inside aside from weed, shits nasty). Point is, most of the time it doesn’t do diddly squat to anyone, it’s just people sticking their fingers into your private life where they don’t belong, just because they can and an authority gave them permission to. It gives them something to do and something to feel superior about.
Second and third-hand smoke and vaping aerosols contain harmful, toxic and cancer-causing chemicals that can be breathed in. Also not as much a problem with vapes, but the smell of smoke is truly disgusting and makes a lot of us feel sick to be around. I have had a conversation with someone who was smoking, and immediately gone inside and thrown up. I don’t care what you put in your body on your property, but in public spaces it very much is of public concern.
I’ll agree that smokers need to be more cognizant of their actions while recognizing how it affects others, and take steps to mitigate it (ie smoking away from other nonsmokers, disposing of their trash, washing their hands, etc). You could’ve just as easily removed yourself from the conversation while the other person was smoking. No one is denying that cigarette smoke is nasty, and the onus is on the smoker to prevent ill effect to those around them, and the absolute easiest for a smoker is smoke away from others.
It’s also more harmful to be walking through an alleyway surrounded by tall buildings with trucks idling, not to mention there are more harmful things in city air or home cleaning products that directly affect you more than someone with cigarette funk on their clothes. Sure it smells rank and can make you feel queasy, yet I get the same effect when someone lathers up in excessive amount of perfume/cologne, or is eating certain foods around me. But that’s on me, it’s my problem, and it’s the tradeoff of going out in public. We don’t have control of the environment around us.
its a republican psyop to pin workers against each other
I dunno about Republican, the Clinton admin was pretty vehement on the anti-smoking train back in the 90s
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He also left office with the government budget in surplus, so perhaps a single act of indiscretion shouldn’t be the basis for negating an individual’s entire presidency? Don’t get me wrong, there were a lot of things his administration did that I don’t agree with, but to stake the guy for a blowjob is a bit childish.
He was also a rapist, but yeah ok, lets defend the rapist
I vape. I hate it, but its probably better than cigs
I vape and I love it and it’s definitely better than cigs. Nicotine on its own is no more harmful than caffeine and is incredibly useful at treating my adhd and depression symptoms. I smoked for 8 years and now have been vaping for ten. While I smoked I felt like shit all the time. Since switching to vaping I haven’t had a single negative side effect. I make my own juice, it’s unflavored. It’s literally just nicotine, propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin, which basically makes it an asthma inhaler but for nicotine instead of asthma drugs. I never plan to quit because I buy the ingredients in bulk and it only costs me like $40 a year for me and my girlfriend. There is no downside. Yes I’m addicted but so are many people to coffee. I see no downside at all.
How does one get started intelligently on this? I’m using disposable and would love to cut waste and expenses but I really like the draw of the disposable. I don’t care about blowing clouds. I want some restriction to the drag and would love to mix my own vape. I’ve thrown away over $500 of vapes trying to figure out how to get something that just works. I hate all the parts and settings with the ones I’ve gotten. With the disposable I can pick them up and vape. I don’t have to worry about what the wattage or other bs is. Is their an effective option for someone that’s not a vape snob? I just want the miller lite of vape solutions and while saving money would be great I already spend significantly less than I did on cigarettes, I mostly hate myself for all the battery and plastic waste I’m creating.
My girlfriend and I both use the little nord handheld vapes. Nord 5 or nord 50 watt is a good place to start. They’re cheap enough to replace if they get broken or lost and they get the job done. Then you just need the juice. You can use any flavored juice from a vape store, or just go online and look for bulk nicotine juice, sometimes putting ‘DIY’ in the search can help. I got a liter for $80 recently, but prices have been rising in canada due to new restrictions. Still waaaayyyy cheaper than paying $30 for 30ml though. Then you replace the coil in the cartridge every couple weeks or when it starts to get burnt. The nice thing about the unflavored juice is no sugar or additives so it doesn’t clog up the coil as fast. Super simple to use and not one of those big metal monster machines that people use to blow clouds. Fits nice in a pocket or purse.
Thank you very much for the detailed response, having a place to start makes it feel a lot more approachable.
I see no downside at all.
Apart from the health risks, of course…
The whole point is that the health risks of vaping are negligible. I’ve vaped for ten years with no side effects. I vapid through having covid twice and recovered fine. Find me one study with real reproducible health risks to vaping, I’ll wait.
Didn’t read it did you? Those were all those cases in the news and have never been linked to nicotine only vapes. It was from sketchy companies using subpar ingredients.
The most common brand associated with EVALI is Dank Vape, a brand of products containing THC, the principal psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. Exclusively using products with THC increases risk for EVALI. (It’s unclear whether people who used nicotine-only vapes also were exposed to vape products with THC, or whether other ingredients caused the lung injury.) Vitamin E acetate is strongly associated with EVALI. It is found largely in counterfeit brands (and recently in Juul products from South Korea). Vitamin E is a supplement considered safe when ingested or applied to the skin. Vitamin E acetate is an oil derivative used in vaping products as a thickener. It is found in about half of the products associated with EVALI. A recent small study found vitamin E deposits in the lung tissue of EVALI patients.
I mean I just have to provide two anecdotes to disprove your one anecdote.
Or just a single study?
Why would I google that for you when I can just tell you a couple of stories about people who vaped and got sick?
Don’t worry, I’ve provided him with a study so we’ll see if he responds. Here it is again for him to see:
Aside from the same “tobacco lobbyists” answer everyone else is giving, I’d also bet the hesitation comes from it being highly stable, relatively large source of tax income that governments are keen to keep going until they find a suitable replacement source.
Those that do crackdown on cigarettes do so only because they know it would be bad PR not to do so with their popularity decreasing generation to generation. They’re probably thanking heaven that vaping arrived, as it gave them a can to kick down the road.
Oh wow governments don’t follow the science
