Shocked Pikachu face meme.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I MUST COOONSSOOOOOOOMMMM, I MUST FORFEIT AND WAIVE ALL MY RIGHTERINOOOOS TO THE COOOORPORATIONS AAAAAAAH IMMMMM CONSOOOOOOOMINNNNNG.
Surely, attacking the mods of a community and calling them whiny babies will get you what you want, right?!
“…until morale improves”
My old modmail sure seems to indicate people thought that way
I used to be a mod at /r/soccer, and it was a great way for you to lose faith in humanity.
We saw it all, racism, death threats, insults, even an instance where one user found a mod’s place of work and stalked them. We also had one guy that was obsessed with a footballer spam the sub with bots for several days, because he wasn’t allowed to post whatever he liked. It took the admin’s three days to fix…
More often than not, it was people that didn’t read the rules, and got upset that all subs didn’t run on the idea that “if people upvote it, it’s allowed”.
Yeah that sounds about right. I used to moderate trans and lesbian subreddits. It was …not good for my mental health. Leniency in rules allowed for people to post bigoted shit that sat right on the border or sounded like it might. Strict wording in rules meant that people would toe the line. Us having to explain why we removed things (it was an experiment one sub I moderated tried for like a year) resulted in an absolute shit show because there are more people who want to be assholes than mods and the more stressful moderating is the higher the turnover. I distinctly remember one night being out at a bar with my now ex and her friends and trying to write up my reasonings for someone who was obviously breaking a rule because she disagreed with the rule but she was challenging every decision and we had to give so many chances and allow appeals and she was ruining my night, and I was acutely aware that she could just hop to a new account when she was done. Also we had mod drama.
I would have suggested just ignoring it for 12-36 hours. She could have waited, or another mod could have handled it.
The “legal eagles” are best ignored. Just ignore them. Most of the time they’ll just stop if you ignore them, because they want you to argue with them.
Absolutely but my attitude eventually shifted to “this is a small Internet forum, you want to be a jackass do so elsewhere.” I always tried to find a form of balance because I did care about the users. But the balance did rely on gut feelings, perception, and how willing to put up with your shit I was. I spent most of my 20s doing this shit and yeah it feels wrong to say “if you’re a rude asshole in response to a mod decision you don’t like you’re less likely to get a favorable response” but also yeah the time it took to read an essay berating me was time I could spend on literally anything other than helping the person who wrote it and I did the thing of giving even those people the benefit of the doubt every time and turns out it was a waste of time because further investigation tended to reveal that the person was either a troll, an asshole who had a net negative impact on the community and a tenuous grasp on the rules, or someone unstable enough that they didn’t need a forum, they needed a support group with professional oversight.
But yeah when someone messaged me that one of the mods had been saying things that were inappropriate for a moderator of that community to say I spent months helping oust them and she and I are now actual friends.
I’ll also add that good moderation was a challenge because in my experience there’s four kinds of people who moderate: people who recognize it as a volunteer hobby and maintain an external life, people on a crusade, people who do their best but aren’t doing good mentally and probably need to be making major life changes, and bright eyed idealists. The first are what you want and the rarest, the second are a problem that you have to weed out because they become petty tyrants, the third can be ok or can be petty tyrants, and the fourth are the most common and they burn out in a month to three or rarely become one of the others. It’s hard to tell who will be which.
I’ve moderated many online forums going waaaay back (farther than I’d like to admit actually). I agree with you, and I want to explain decisions to the users too, so I’ll generally try to talk them as well. And sometimes we get a connection, and sometimes I realize I made a mistake. But in my experience, when they start playing lawyer, you’re not going to please them.
I never thought about the four categories of mods before, but what you wrote feels pretty accurate. I think I’m in that first group, and I try to avoid issues by moderating as lightly as possible.
When I’m in other groups or communities, sometimes I think, “If someone did that in my group, they’d get one warning, then I’d just ban them the second time it happened. Boom. End of discussion.” But I know that’s likely not how it would go in reality. LOL
RIP Inbox :P
Landed gentry!
When I read that I never went back.
I never fully understand that, is that an insult? English ain’t my first language and I was honestly not sure if I felt offended by that lol, I swear I looked for it on the web, but it wasn’t clear for me either.
It’s an insult. It’s basically saying “these people are powerful and out of touch and have no right to it”. As opposed to the reality that yeah there’s mod abuse, but also it’s a thankless job that sucks but you keep doing it because you care about the community and when you ease up you get criticism, when you crack down you get criticism, and when you try to be transparent you spend so much time writing out why you made a decision that you hesitate to actually moderate and also you wind up getting dragged into arguments over the validity of one of three fucking rules because they didn’t like that specific rule that couldn’t be clearer. And no matter what you do you’re going to get abuse in the modmail.
Yeah, the problem is that the subs used to be the only place on the internet where a given community could be mainstream, so being in a position of power means you’re stuck trying to make everybody happy.
On federated networks you can have multiple communities with the same local name coexisting, so if you don’t like one set of mods you can go elsewhere. I’m not saying that solves all the problems, but it takes off the pressure of being the piracy sub mod.
Yeah but breakaway communities existed then. Underscore, rename, different order… all this shit was there. You can have the same name now which is cool, but you always could have something close. It’s the community and users people care about and starting a new one is a pain in the ass
There’s a big advantage to having the sub with the most obvious name. If you want to talk about Canada you’re going to go to /r/canada first, not /r/onguardforthee.
“Landed gentry” was a social class of people who owned estates and, well, land. They didn’t have to work; they made their income by profiting off the work of the farm hands, merchants, etc, who worked on their land. The estates these landed gentry owned, along with their wealth, would be passed down to their children when they died. It meant the gentry did very little to earn their station in life, but still had a fair amount of power and wealth.
How spez thinks it applies to Reddit mods, I’m not entirely sure. But he definitely meant it as an insult. His full quote was:
And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.
So I guess he was upset that mod teams get to select who else is a good fit to join the mod team? Of course, the issue is that he is the landed gentry - users didn’t vote for him, nor can they remove him; and he’s profiting off the work of the people who post content and the people who spend their time moderating.
He has to just be riling up the “freeze peach” crowd with that line. He must know that a “users vote” way of selecting mods is always going to be a race to the bottom in terms of diversity and quality as nobody with a unique vision is going to subject themselves to the will of a bunch of reddit-brained people.
When I was part of the Vaxxhappened protest I came to the realization that pretty much all mods of big communities are not “power happy” autocrats, but on the whole surprisingly weak-willed and living in a perpetual fear of getting removed. It was sad, but I have to imagine Reddit Inc is very happy with the arrangement. These people are working 24/7 for free, on one of the many indistinguishable feeds of memes. I was very surprised the API protest happened to the degree it did at all.
Right wing turds like Steve tend to project really hard and never have the capacity to realize it.
It’s interesting that he’s using an insult from England and in a context which would make him Royalty trying to control the Barons.
To give you some background on the term, it refers to rich land owners in England who had a lot of inherited wealth through the estates they owned (landed, meaning they own land). These “gentry” generally led lives of leisure and wealth, but they didn’t actually do anything, they just inherited it all through their family wealth and land ownership.
I’m sure I have details of that a little off, but that’s my best explanation of it.
They are my mods, they should do as I command
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That’s no way to speak to us landed gentry, you filthy casual.
I’m a motherfuckin user. I log onto this website sometimes. That means I dictate when you shit and for how long. Just be glad your breathing is out of my control. For now.
Aha but your breathing is now under my control now.
You are now aware of your breathing.
Doesn’t that increase the degree of control I have over my lungs, if anything?
“You are now manually breathing” works substantially better
What does air smell like?
It’s all fun and games until a disgruntled banned user tries to doxx you 🫠
People have gotten fucking insane with this “Everybody should do exactly what I think they should do at all times full stop and if they don’t they’re literal fucking garbage, and if you disagree or care about a different thing than me you’re just a whiny baby whining about baby stuff” mentality.
I’m a lefty, and it’s an election year which means I get to deal with this for 10 months straight from the dems.
Unless you’re a mod. Then it’s “Everybody should do exactly what I think they should do at all times or ban.”
That’s less entitlement and more “trying to create the community they envision”, though. It’s entitlement if they feel like they deserve users after fucking around. Mods, or really any online community leaders, can do whatever the fuck they want as far as I’m concerned.
I don’t miss that part of Reddit. haha
Oh it’s here too. Take a look at some modlogs.
I forget that you can, not sure that I want to haha
I don’t miss Reddit. Full stop.
And if there is a CHANCE you might do something they don’t like…they cancel their primaries
you’re just a whiny baby whining about baby stuff
Title of my sextape
This man right here officer 📸🤔
God you’re telling me. I’m a right winger, and I am not looking for to voting for the 77 year old orange just because the GOP can’t figure out how to do a primary.
Still going to do it because of the issues at hand, but I’m not happy about it. I just hope he doesn’t pull a 2nd round of bump stocks.
They are my mods. I may insult them as i please. If others do so, they die!
See, you know Reddit is packed with bots when that shitty repost has 6000 upvotes and “does this sub don’t have mods” has 129.
I wouldn’t mod r/privacy at reddit and become the case law that removes section 230 immunity from internet moderators and ending up in prison for lols. Fuck that. They were just reporting on how reddit inc is under pressure to share identifying information about posters to that forum to authorities. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/film-studios-demand-ip-addresses-of-people-who-discussed-piracy-on-reddit/
Lol imagine still being on there
I don’t see anything that would need to be moderated here? Or is it just about these comments that are unrelated to the post?
I think they’re complaining about a low effort meme in /r/piracy.
But the sub was always filled with those.
There are many (re)posts with this “if paying isn’t owning…” slogan and also many memes being made about the reposts. The piracy subreddit doesn’t seem to have a whole lot of piracy right now, it’s just, well, this
Hey, I remember this website from back in the day. They still around or is this old?
Test @PostWatchBot
Silly question: is there a community for real, sailing piracy?
I imagine there are fan groups for Our Flag Means Death.
Not sure how many Somalis use Lemmy and how good their 5G is on the water
Their spell check sucks too. “I’m the capstan now!”
Probably better than at&t in the middle of the city.
You could pick them up from Twitter if you weren’t a bunch of reddit brained tweaking crackers
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I don’t think the worlds remaining sea pirates are very technical, or smart at all for that matter.
Wasn’t reddit always like that? Or was this particular sub okay?
News reports have Reddit making the IPO push this year. Get ready for more DRAMA!
Will be really sad when the ransomware files get leaked on the IPO date lol
Wait, what ransomware files lol.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/19/tech/reddit-hackers-demands-api/index.html
The stuff BlackCat stole and haven’t released yet.
God, I forgot about that 🤣
If you follow the… “correct” channels for stuff like this, the user is going to release the info the moment that Reddit IPOs :).
Info about them (likely spying on their users) might really spook the insta-normie-scroll-on-the-reddit-app dorks.
If anything, it’s going to be a shit show even if BlackCat decides to hold on to it for a bit.
Maybe there is a place you could ask them about it specifically? I personally wouldn’t know.
Tbh I have no idea what a dark web even is 😏
Even if there was a “dark” web, you’d have to know which onions to tie on your belt to find the information you’re looking for.
Tor i pretty well organized lately, it’s really not hard to find anything
That’s been said for the last 3 years.
…tantrum…
What a fart gobbler.
Who cares
I didn’t have a “tantrum” when they blocked my 3rd-party app for corporate reasons… I just stopped using Reddit.
So now they are pushing the narrative eight months later that people left in a tantrum?
The fact they still talk about that over there says a lot.
A popular theory is that a lot of bots were deployed to make the exodus seem less impactful. So, officially the numbers might be similar, but I’m sure there’s less real content and people…
You didn’t, but lots did. They’re still using reddit to this day.
I thought blocking nsfw posts on mobile was bad enough until I tried viewing a totally SFW subreddit that was small enough to not be “verified”. Straight up didn’t let me view a subreddit that wasn’t essentially approved without logging in or using the app.
Exactly, I didn’t have a tantrum. I used a third party app because of the accessibility features it offered that the official app doesn’t. I can’t use reddit now, so I don’t use reddit.
Just curious, what app do you use for Lemmy?
I’m using Memmy on iPhone which has some good text size accessibility settings. But there’s some buggy stuff and I don’t think they’ve released any fixes or updates in a few months.
Eternity. For me, this app is the only one without significant problems.
I tried Eternity but uninstalled it when I realized that it would just go back to my homepage if I switched away from the app for any reason. I’m using Liftoff at the moment but it’s got its own problems. I might try Voyager some time.
Never encountered that bug on Eternity but I would suggest making a bug report for that issue on the page for Eternity so they might be able to fix it.
Liftoff is on it’s last legs, once the last 0.18.5 instances make the upgrade to 0.19 it’ll almost certainly be unusable. Dev isn’t active anymore so I wouldn’t count on an update to fix it either, at least not any time soon. He also said he doesn’t have much experience with auth so even if he does get back to it it could take him a while to re-implement login.
I just experimented your observation and the behavior is not the same. Are you sure it isn’t your settibgs?
I think Voyager is based on the famous iOS reddit app (Apollo?) and is regularly updated. Looks really polished and I’m also using it on android next to sync.
Hey! I was using Memmy as well, but stopped a couple weeks ago since the developers aren’t doing much on there (no shade to them - it’s a free project so I appreciate what they did at all!). I recently switched to Voyager and it’s been seamless and appears to be better supported.
Voyager still has some slight bugs but it’s pretty good
I made the same switch, can recommend Voyager as well!
Arctic is usually recommended for iOS
For the complete list of clients: https://lemmyapps.netlify.app/
16 iOS Lemmy clients?! Wow.
Wonder what the motivations were for the closed-source developers…
I’m using sync at the moment, I don’t dislike it but there is room for improvement. I have very low accessibility needs. I have palsies in my hands so for me it’s about having nice big icons to tap, because I don’t have the dexterity to push tiny text links or really cramped hit boxes.
My phone GUI is enlarged and sync is just the first third party app I found that scaled well with my phone, most third party apps work for me, it’s just the reddit official app that really, really doesn’t. It’s unreadable with my GUI settings.
I use Voyager! Awesome app, give it a try.
Me too, I did most of my redditing on the phone. So the only redditing I do these days is when on desktop looking for various hardware recommendations, cause unfortunately I don’t know how to search lemmy that well
Lenny is also just missing the decade of pcmasterrace and other pc hardware sub content. It might get there in time but for now Reddit is still a font of information and advice from knowledgeable people.
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On Reddit, if a comment is removed by admin or moderators, it displays
[removed].[deleted]means the user themself did it. I’d imagine what you’re seeing is people like myself, who used scripts to delete all of our comments from the site.
…disappeared…
I wonder where they went…
People on reddit genuinely don’t know because the L word gets the ban hammer there
I’m glad I figgered it oot. All I miss are the video subs. I can live without them.
YouTube can’t get it right, I watched one video about police brutality 15 years ago and now they think I just want to watch people get pummeled by cops all day and be mad about it. I can’t just go subscribing to a community with content I like on there, gotta subscribe to individuals and hope the right stuff rolls in. I just don’t watch many videos these days.!
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Normally I’d agree with you, but… 6 day old account? Isn’t that a little like pulling up the ladder?
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I loved that show though.
Looking very Shane today.
Exactly. It’s like hey… If the corpos take a dump in your mouth you can either leave or you can stick around and complain about the taste. And yet the people who left are the whiners?
No, the people that didn’t leave yet kept whining are the whiners.
Hey, don’t insult fart gobblers
“Sure, 90% of the sub voted for this and the reasons for shutting down are clearly laid out, but y’all are doing this for literally no reason. Stop throwing a tantrum and give me my memes NOW.”
By 90% you mean 90% of the 15 people that saw the post and were using a client that could see and vote in the poll in the 8 minutes that they had it open, because that’s seemingly what most subs I was on that did a poll did. The comments were always 90% filled with people saying they wanted the subs to be open, they don’t care about the API changes, etc, yet the crybaby mods would say “YOU ALL VOTED FOR THIS!” while everyone is screaming “No we didn’t, we weren’t even asked!”.
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“I don’t like the outcome so the entire thing was rigged!”
You happen to be a republican?
I deleted my near 15 year old account and left, dumbarse 😂.
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I can’t speak for other subs, but we used the tools available to us to try and get a sense of what over 1mill people wanted to the best of our abilities and the vote was overwhelmingly in favor. If you wanted to convince me that it was rigged, you could at least ask how our sub conducted the vote or explain why it was rigged. If you already know how we conducted the vote, I am all ears for alternatives.
Additional note (not how we conducted the vote btw): the announcement that we were going dark and the vote post were among the highest-engaged posts of all time on the sub at the time. People were clearly engaged on a sub that is generally pretty quiet despite its size and the support was overwhelming, and we gave people days to vote after a pre-vote post saying it was coming so there was ample time to learn about it and participate. If you have a way for conducting truly democratic polls on Reddit, we would love to hear it, because we have been asking Admins for years for something at least better than Reddit’s own poll system and they never gave us a decent upgrade.
I’d also be curious to know how you sort out people who subscribe and never came back vs. people who are generally engaged and people who aren’t even part of the community. Who gets to vote? Who doesn’t? How do we separate them?
TL;DR: you seem to be upset with how we did our vote and alluding to some option we should’ve taken advantage of. Frankly, I’d be incredibly impressed if you solved the problem online polling, especially on Reddit.
The only reason I am really hammering this whole thing is because I’ve heard this so many times, but nobody has offered us an alternative. Not once. So we could’ve truly been little tyrants in our little kingdoms and just did it without even trying to gauge the community, but instead we did the best we could and people got angry anyway. We fielded people for weeks on discord throughout it, we spent countless hours both on calls and by text discussing this, we took the decision very seriously and did it because we truly believe the changes are bad for reddit and our communities.
Ultimately there’s just no winning when some people simply won’t accept the result they don’t like. I’m not accusing you of this, but a lot of the “it was rigged“ and “this is just a power trip“ came from people who simply did not want the sub closed for any reason and there was literally nothing we could do to satisfy them. Not that we had any decent options beyond what we used anyway.
using a client that could see and vote in the poll in the 8 minutes that they had it open
The irony being that the ones upset by the API changes wouldn’t be using the first party client, so if anything this would have filtered out the people in favor of closing down. I say “would have” because that would require this having actually being what happened. All of those polls I saw were open for days, and the people whining about the closures in the comments just didn’t notice because they didn’t actually use the site much or were just oblivious as shit.
They won I guess, enjoy.
I think what really bothered me about that whole affair, and why I had my single worst outburst on Discord by a large margin as well that I still feel bad about, was because it was so frustrating seeing so many people who didn’t just disagree with us - I can handle disagreement, I can handle discussion and debate, I can even handle a little heat throughout that process. But people would just storm onto the Discord or the sub absolutely fuming and accusing us of all these things…but within two sentences, you can tell they hadn’t read a single post about the issue! Not one sentence or article!
They were asking the most basic questions, my favorite being “what is this even about? It’s not like you have a reason.” It was insulting really. Here we were spending all this time and effort worrying about the community, Reddit, how to do this in the most fair way possible and produce what we believe to be the best outcome (or at least the outcome the community wanted in the end), and these people couldn’t even read three sentences before screaming at us and calling us names.
People just were not having it, they did not want to even talk about it. And this was just a sub for discussing video games.
people would just storm onto the Discord or the sub absolutely fuming and accusing us of all these things…but within two sentences, you can tell they hadn’t read a single post about the issue! Not one sentence or article
This reminds me of when I used to take the time to discuss/argue climate science online. I kind of quit after too many instances with aggressive people who had not bothered to educate themselves on even the most basic science.
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Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
The only mature and adult course of action is to sigh and resign yourself to getting fucked at every turn, as wise and responsible adults throughout history have done. Any action beyond innefectual snark is a childish tantrum. This axiom somehow does not apply to the actions of the already powerful and those doing the fucking on their behalf. That is simply the natural way of things. Do not ask how they became powerful in the first place.
Fart gobbler! I’d go as far as to call them a nose-picker
Oi @[email protected] ! Are you one of the Reddit Piracy mods? Or are one of your brethren here from Reddit?
I must say I find Piracy, Linux and the Star Trek communities have had a rip-roaringly successful switch over.
I much prefer Lemmy. I have the opportunity to call you a “dick head” whereas on Reddit there’s no way Spez would ever see me calling him a “dick head”.
That makes me feel powerful and I become engorged.
So, anyway, are you one of the Reddit mods?
P.S. I can’t post to this community from Lemmy.World.
“Yeah, well, but having no mods is actually great, we don’t even need no mods and these grapes are too sour anyway.” - not an alt account of spez at all
That sub and this community has always been like that.
Is like twice a week I see that sentiment on here. What’s OP complaining about? Their mirror?
