This very much walks the line between “sovereign citizen lunatic” and “needs to be committed to a mental institution.” Although to be fair, it’s a pretty blurry line.
What it’s not completely sane to send mail back to its source covered in insane statements?
I do not know who you are and I do not understand your intent
My dude, the name of the organization and the stated intent of the letter is literally in the envelop you’re writing on top of.
“I DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL TREATY WITH YOU” is about to be my go to line to get out of uncomfortable situations.
I love this assertion by them. Because it’s them saying they are an independent nation. But they are living on or within the US’s declared borders and do not have a treaty as the American Indians do. Therefore they’d qualify as invaders or secessionist and the US military/immigration authorities should have jurisdiction to prosecute them. Afterall, this Sovereign Citizen is currently abroad in another country.
It’s a pretty weird claim. They think they are their own country? Okay then… Do they realize that foreign countries can be taken to war against their wishes? I hope so, because that’s probably going to happen to a lot of these people.
You have to say it ALL CAPS and in RED INK. LoL
Telling my boss this next time I’m voluntold to fix another failing project.
I still like, “YOU’RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR”
“THIS IS NOT MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE”
A lovely chinese dinner, you say?
Succulent.
True. True.
I’ll leave it up to own my shame.
No worries, but I just could not let it lie there! ;)
“THAT’S MY PURSE”
“I DON’T KNOW YOU”
“I think you will find that I do not have testicles.”
“SHE BLUFFING! FINISH HER!”
My God what have I done
“visual storyteller” 😂
The best thing about sovereign citizens is they’re the only ones not in on the joke.
And they so persistently do not understand why their BS doesn’t work.
The appeal is there. Imagine not having to pay any taxes or any of your bills. The idea practically sells itself to anyone who has no civics education.
Honestly their BS does kind of work they just seem unable to grasp that all the things they’re saying also apply to everyone else. They don’t have to aknowledge their electricity providers authority to charge them for electricity and the electric company doesn’t have to keep supplying it. Its like some kind of extreme narcisicm.
'Cept in most locales you have to maintain your home’s “habitability status” to not get it condemned, which requires having a functional electrical supply. And usually also working plumbing, heat, some manner of cooking apparatus, and a refrigerator.
“Muh Freedumb!” aside, these types of code requirements were as I understand it at least initially put into place to prevent slumlords from charging rent for an “apartment” that has access to none of the above.
Anyhow, if you really don’t want to pay electric bills it’s really not too tough to get yourself some solar panels or something. Somehow that never occurs to these people. There are counties out in the boondocks where you are permitted by law to live fully off the grid if you feel like it, so maybe they ought to move there and quit bothering everybody with their nonsense.
I think water and sewage are required but I don’t think electricity is because a property is technically habitable without power. As long as there is not a vulnerable person confirmed living at the address. I mean it all seems a bit arbitrary, but apparently those are the rules.
I think it’s mostly about making it unpleasant for squatters without violating their human rights too much. It straddles the line but not too badly.
This is another one of them there varies by state/county/city things. Where I live you must be connected to the grid. This causes problems for people who don’t want to be connected to the grid, i.e. they have more than enough solar or windmill and battery capacity to not require it from a functional standpoint. But the county forbids you from not paying the local electricity monopoly their monthly bribe.
This is relatively recent – as of the last 4 or 5 years or so. The power company now helpfully charges a “connection fee” if you use 0 kWh, which started happening exactly at the same time the law was passed to make it illegal not to be connected to them. I can’t help but conclude that these two facts are not coincidental.
My previous area was like that, and that was why I didn’t bother getting a battery system for my solar. And the connection fee went up, and up, and up.
i’M tRaVeLlInG!
All rights reserved, “without prejudice”.
Are you sure about that, buddy?
“I’m a sovereign citizen your laws don’t apply to me, except when they pertain to rights that I like”
I wouldn’t mind the movement too much if they actually practiced what they preached and went and lived on some large ranch somewhere in the middle of nowhere and grew all their own food and never left.
They pretend that it’s like going back to basics hunter gatherer lifestyle, but really it’s just about not paying taxes.
I think it’s the general “mom said you can’t go over this line, what’re you gonna do, what’re you gonna do, what’re you gonna do, what’re you gonna do”.
On principle they are right, in general they’re just intolerable little brothers.
The MDHS State Disbursement Unit is the Child Support department. Dude went nuts because he doesn’t want to pay child support. What a POS.
I only agreed to get my dick wet, your child support contract is invalid
One of their biggest things they’re always trying to do is “discharge” theur child support.
Yeah they are. But fun fact, garnishments and liens work just as well without an INTERNATIONAL TREATY and a surprising number of these loons still work and own stuff.
Yes but they’re their own country, and the USA needs to form a treaty to have say in their business, unless they’re “travelling” or receiving welfare or benefit in some other way
The reality is that they are not bodies politic, have no demos, and every person everywhere ever is subject to the law of the jurisdiction in which they are present.
And I imagine thEy had no contract with the child in question
“I don’t have anything to do with that kid! Why should I have to pay child support?”
Unfortunately I know people like that in real life, who don’t seem to understand that the child support is largely because they want nothing to do with their kid
What if before birth they prove that they wanted the child aborted?
If they were going to want the baby aborted, they shouldn’t have had sex without a condom. You don’t get to cum inside someone and then tell them what to do with it. Your jizz, your problem.
So, do you oppose abortion in general?
Obviously not. They’re saying that the person that gets pregnant gets to decide whether or not they want to abort. It’s not the decision of the sperm donor.
So, a mother has a choice to opt out of paying for a child if they can’t afford it. But a father is given the same choice.
What a person does with their own body is entirely up to them. If you play your part in making that baby, and the person you came inside of plays their part too, you both have to pay for it. The sperm donor has one opportunity to opt out of being a parent, and that one opportunity is when they’re having sex.
What a person does with their own body is entirely up to them.
Yes, but when one person has the choice to not have a child, the other person can express their desire to not raise the child.
If you play your part in making that baby, and the person you came inside of plays their part too, you both have to pay for it.
Why?
The sperm donor has one opportunity to opt out of being a parent, and that one opportunity is when they’re having sex.
Why?
My parents were using a condom lmao. They’re not perfect.
If they are forced to be pregnant with it, that’s their choice.
Have you ever spent nine months with a pregnant woman? They don’t do it because it’s fun.
That’s not how it works.
Of course not, I’m asking if that’s how it should work?
Child support isn’t meant to punish a parent that’s no longer in the child’s life. Even if thats the end result, it’s meant to support the child.
Because of the bodily autonomy argument there won’t be true equality surrounding pregnancy because nobody has (or should have) weight of decision of whether to carry the child except for the person who does so.
But if a child is brought into the world as a result, it needs to be supported. And that’s the responsibility of the parents- willing or not.
I think that if male birth control becomes safe and available it will be much closer to equality.
No, it should not. When two consenting adults have sex without protection, the resulting pregnancy shouldn’t be the sole problem of the woman.
She is the only one granted the choice to end the responsibility. The father is left with massive financial responsibility for 18 years, that the mother had the choice to prevent. This even occurs in cases of rape.
Your logic is fundamentally flawed. In several ways. I see several people arguing with you ineffectively because they assume you are arguing in good faith or have a coherent position… Neither of which I am convinced you possess.
In the US (and most of the world) it is a fundamental right of bodily autonomy that any individual is not subjected to any forced medical situation in the support of another person’s life, regardless of that person’s age, gender or relationship with the other person. Even if we agreed on when personhood happens (I assume we disagree on it) at no point must one person give up their bodily rights for another. If you provide a special case for pregnancy then we are in a discussion of if your inconsistent belief structure is valid.
Your logic is fundamentally flawed. In several ways. I see several people arguing with you ineffectively because they assume you are arguing in good faith or have a coherent position…
You’re free to disagree with me, but everything I say on here is in good faith.
In the US (and most of the world) it is a fundamental right of bodily autonomy that any individual is not subjected to any forced medical situation in the support of another person’s life, regardless of that person’s age, gender or relationship with the other person.
Yep, I agree.
Even if we agreed on when personhood happens (I assume we disagree on it) at no point must one person give up their bodily rights for another.
I have no strong opinion on when personhood happens, I simply don’t know.
If you provide a special case for pregnancy then we are in a discussion of if your inconsistent belief structure is valid.
A special case for what? You never expressed your disagreement with me.
It’s a shame because I agree with them in principle (I don’t feel like a UK citizen, I feel like a human) but they seem to lack awareness of reality. Yes, the government is overbearing and an unjustified power in your life, no that doesn’t mean you can pretend they don’t exist and not face consequences. I wish it were that easy
I bet their car is a fucking sight.
It’s their vanifesto
I learned a new word today!
Every day’s a school day!
I too find laughing at people with serious mental illness so wholesome /s
Not everything is mental illness, some people are just dumb and smug about it.
This is though.
Impressive that you’ve diagnosed that condition from that image.
Thanks :)
Is this the kind of people who post disclaimers in social media that “unauthorize” the company running said social media from using the “content” they post there?
Yup
Or add a cc license to their Lemmy posts
That shit made me cackle when I saw it
What’s wrong with that?
CC BY-NC-ND 4.0
Why do they always have the same handwriting?
It’s the lead poisoning.
Middle school dropouts
Were you taught handwriting in highschool?
Nope, I Do remember a few middle school dropouts though and how incredibly dumb they were. I assume they weren’t allowed to drop out in elementary. Idk, thirty years ago.
Handwriting doesn’t really correlate with intelligence
Dropping out in middle school does
Idk about that, given I don’t think in most of the US you can drop out until at least 16.
Like I said, 30 years ago. Not sure who or what it is you’re advocating for here
There’s a certain level of brain malfunction necessary to think this shit will work, and one way that can manifest is poor coordination for fine movements like writing.
Actually a really valid point
Pills/ computer duster, I assume
These people are called Cookers where I’m from, because their brain is cooked.
Mate
Sovereign citizens are a hilarious little delight to break up the drudge that these times bring. There’s always a balance.
I can’t believe we forgot to sign a treaty with this fellow.
Hey, Blinken!!
Did you just say “Abe Lincoln”?
