The only few reason I know so far is software availability, like adobe software, and Microsoft suite. Is there more of major reasons that I missed?
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Rustdesk is better than this proprietary spyware teamviewer
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HDR is an issue. It just doesn’t seem to work right. Media players do all kinds of weird stuff. I’ve seen six screencaps from six media players taking snapshots of the same file, and they all had their colours wrong in different ways on Linux. VLC managed to get the colours right, but then lacked some other features. The Linux version of his previous media player uses different codecs on Linux so it suffers from the same problem.
Not surprising, there’s zero HDR support on Linux desktop as of right now. You either need a player that can tonemap from HDR to SDR or you need to run your entire desktop through gamescope (which is what Steam Deck is doing).
However, KDE Plasma 6 releases next month and it’s the first desktop environment to come with rudimentary HDR support. So things are evolving in that area.
People told me “oh yeah, gaming on Linux is a comparable or even better experience compared with gaming on windows.” Well after a whole weekend spent troubleshooting and trying different distros only to get 20fps max and no controller support for a 5 year old pc game I went back to windows and was playing within about 30 minutes including the time to install the OS.
Edit: Before you go giving me tips: yes, I tried that too. You’re missing the point if your solution to the above is “more troubleshooting, I guess.”
I’m sure this was your experience, but I switched last year and my Linux gaming experience has been far better than I ever expected.
Usually this means you didint install the proprietary graphics driver. Which you also have to do on windows (Geforce Experience )
And on windows, you can do all of this without touching the keyboard…
You don’t have to type in the website?
On-screen keyboard
Nice try Linus 😂
30 minutes including installing the os
Having installed windows 11 about a month ago, I know that is a big fat lie.
I install Windows at work.
If you don’t have a slow ass USB 2.0 stick the install and being ready to start is roundabout 20-30min depending on the hardware.Linux has never card what I install of on. These days it always seems like have have to do some work in the hidden cmd to get windows on my drives
Last time I changed the SSD on my computer, it took me about 30 min to make the Windows ready to play Steam games. Win 11 took 15 min to install, the Nvidia driver and Steam took the rest. So it’s not a lie at all.
This right here is why the Linux community needs to pick a single desktop that just works for people who are switching over for gaming purposes.
Yeah, having the choice of multiple Distros is great from a technical perspective. But most people forgot what it was like on Windows.
Gamers are not interested in distro hopping on their first time attempt to get Linux to work.
If we’re going to say that a benefit of Linux is the multiple distros to a new person, you had better warn them that some distros are not as easy to work with as others. Looking at the cool desktop pictures on the website is not a sign that a distro is easy to work with.
That’s where we need HoloOS but (if possible) fully open source, Lead by a major decision maker doing the QA and keeping it in one direction.
Users could submit their fixes to make it better for everyone.Situation: there are 10 Linux gaming distros
“This is ridiculous. We need to develop one universal gaming distro for people who are switching over for gaming purpose!”
Situation: there are 11 Linux gaming distros
Joking aside, there are already quite a handful of gaming oriented distros such as Garuda, Nobara, Batocera, Drauger, Lakka, Bazzite, Holo, etc.
They all try to share patches and ideas too, if there’s competition - it’s friendly.
Right, but this is why you do the bare minimum research before choosing a distro. Find one that fits your needs. If you’re going to use the PC for mostly gaming, and you install a distro that’s notoriously bad for gaming, that’s kind of on you.
As an experienced Linux user, yes, but as someone who has only used Windows, that wisdom is not in place.
By the time they get burned out by trying two random Distros, they are going to be pissed and if you say “You should have checked” they will remain on Windows out of spite, even after Windows goes under.
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Having to mess with it every time I turn it on.
This. Both macOS and windows out a huge amount of effort into making sure things just work. And that’s extremely valuable to many people.
Who gave up?
Put me in the crowd that would jump to Linux rather than Windows 11 but my sw (Affinity Apps) don’t work on it.
Most of the other apps needed work on it. I just don’t need all the BS Microsoft push for my work machine.
Edit: Use Linux desktop on other machines.
The affinity thing especially annoys me. They have real potential to steal a niche from Adobe. Does even need to be native, they just need to work with wine.
It’s gotten a bit better, but last time I tried switching, the GUI client for my VPN provider was shit, the PC gaming compatibility aspect (non-Steam) wasn’t quite good enough for me, Nvidia’s drivers said fuck you to my display, and I couldn’t quite figure out how to set up Samba. Lol.
Nvidia’s drivers said fuck you to my display
Easily one of the longest and most headache inducing troubleshooting sessions I ever had on Linux -_-
Ive quite enjoyed the KDE NordVPN plasmoid. Visually integrates it into the taskbar.
Problem with NordVPN is I believe it doesn’t have Port Forwarding. Please correct me if I’m wrong on that.
(In any case, NordVPN does sit right with me; seeing them advertised by every single YouTuber under the sun just…idk…feels yucky.)
I’ve been using the CLI app and it’s kind of jank… I’ll have to look into this.
I’d definitely recommend checking back in a year or two to see if it’s changed. Compatibility is definitely getting better over time even if it is slow.
About 20 years ago, I was trying to get audio playing to stay stable, and have audible alarms from KCal. I did everything, recompiled kernels, nothing fixed it.
So I went out and got a G4 Mac mini, set it up with my audio and it worked perfectly. Within a week I’d shut off the Linux trash for good. Mac OS X does everything better.
For servers, I use FreeBSD, it’s dumb to run Linux there, too.
Nothing’s improved, I have the same audio problems on my RasPi in Linux. Linux is bad at just about everything, any other OS or possibly just a dead badger will do the job better.
Linux is bad at audio therefore it’s bad at everything? Interesting. Fair point about audio though, if you’re doing anything to do with that then stay clear of Linux. Raspberry pi audio is bad even by Linux standards, lol
Audio is typical of every other problem on Linux, that’s just the straw that broke my camel’s back.
It’s just half-assed or less at anything, and never gets better.
I am dual booting because I bought a nice OLED monitor with HDR and Linux doesn’t support it yet. For certain games with nicer graphics, HDR is really beautiful.
The moment Linux support HDR, I nuke windows for good.
KDE Plasma 6 supports HDR now: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/12/hdr-support-for-kde-plasma-6-seems-to-be-shaping-up-nicely/
I am aware that this is coming, but it’s still not fully completed. But I’m about to ditch windows any cause I just plain prefer linux
Tbh most of the time I’m using my Wintendo, but Linux is better imo for dev. PyCharm is a nice IDE, and all the Linux tools I love like vim are there and fully functional.
command line interface
I’m fine with it, but it’s cryptic and a deal breaker for many.
is one on windows
Yes, but most people don’t ever have to use it for anything. The average Windows user doesn’t know what you mean when you say “open a command prompt.”
I literally only use it on Windows to compile some source code or run python scripts.
And most people, if they used Linux, wouldn’t have to use the terminal for anything either. Linux has come along a long way for the average user, assuming you choose a sensible newbie-friendly distro like Zorin on Linux-friendly hw, or your PC comes with Linux OOTB (like System76 machines) - then an average user, would never have to touch the terminal.
Just ask my elderly parents - they’ve been running Linux for about 15 years now without having to touch the terminal or learn any commands. And before you say anything - yes, they do more than just Facebook - they print and scan stuff, backup files from their phones, transfer files across USB drives, do some light document editing - pretty much all your basic computing tasks really - and they never needed to touch the terminal.
This misconception that Linux users need to use/learn the terminal really needs to die.
Your one use case does nothing to convince me. I’ve read enough recent examples contrary to that to know better, not to mention having had to manually edit a ridiculous number of setting files on my own system to get something to work properly that should have just worked without jumping through all the hoops. Keep lying to yourself that this will be the year of the linux desktop.
And all you’re giving is vague excuses without any specifics. You shouldn’t have to edit anything at all manually, if you’re running a sensible distro on Linux-friendly hardware.
If you had to do edit stuff then either you were using the wrong distro, and/or you’ve got incompatible hardware.
And who said anything about being the year of the Linux desktop? Stop putting words into my mouth.
I don’t need to be specific. It’s not necessary to convince you or a priority to explain what all I had to do. You’re not worth the time, this isn’t a debate. I diagnosed the issues and fixed them. I recently tried Zorin out of curiosity and it was a shitshow with numerous things not working. I went to Linux Mint and still had to fix issues. Pretty sure that’s the exact distro you referred to, plus the one determined to be easiest and most noob friendly. So that presumption of yours is DOA. Now fuck off, because I don’t need your opinion on whether or not I did something wrong, and the comments on this post are filled with people who also have issues. Go lecture them.
You’re not worth the time, this isn’t a debate.
Really, then why are you replying to me? You should stop replying to me then if your time is so precious.
I recently tried Zorin out of curiosity and it was a shitshow with numerous things not working. I went to Linux Mint and still had to fix issues. Pretty sure that’s the exact distro you referred to, plus the one determined to be easiest and most noob friendly. So that presumption of yours is DOA.
Was that on Linux friendly hardware though? You completely ignored the second point. Zorin was just an example, with the disclaimer/condition that you also need compatible hardware. Notice that I never said that Linux/Zorin would work on anything/everything. You can’t just put any distro on any random box and expect everything to work.
I don’t need your opinion on whether or not I did something wrong
Then why do you keep replying to me? If you don’t need my opinion then just ignore me and move on.
the comments on this post are filled with people who also have issues. Go lecture them.
Who I choose to reply to or not is my decision. Why do you care?
I’ve set up Linux for various family members over the years, most recently for my Wife (lubuntu lts on an old laptop) and it’s always been smooth, unlike windows where I’m having to fix their problems every other week.
Key takeaway here is I had to set it up for them, none of them had a chance in hell at doing so themselves. For simple tasks, once setup correctly - it’s great. For an end user experience without initial help, the slightest thing will throw them during setup.
Until a normal system update breaks something within a few days, weeks, months, whenever. And you may be able to fix it. This is a common occurrence that can happen to anyone, not that it necessarily will. It is well documented in the annals of lemmy.
I mean it depends on the hardware - you can get unlucky with that, sure. I’ve usually installed timeshift so it can be easily restored if necessary, but I’ve never had to restore any of the systems I setup besides my own - since Ubuntu 12.04 - around 12 years ago.
LTS is what I go with so no bleeding edge updates, and I’ve not setup anyone else’s system that has a dedicated GPU so many of the common issues don’t apply in my case.
However, I remember from 8.04 - 12.04 having a complete fking nightmare with WiFi adaptors. I get a twitchy eye just thinking about ndiswrapper…
My entire family is on Elementary OS. Brother, niece, grandmother.
If a man, a child, and an old woman can use,.so could you.
Not sure what problem you ignorant people have with reading, but I’m currently using it after fixing problems that some people insist didn’t exist. My system has Win10, Linux Mint and Garuda all working, after fixing multiple things. The linux distros still occasionally break after basic system updates and need to be fixed again. Meanwhile, Win10 has been solid as a rock for me. I spend zero time troubleshooting it. Bye.
edit: before the next assumption is made… no, the linux distros don’t share a partition, they’re in independent partitions, on a separate drive from and not sharing a boot partition with Windows, so none of that are valid issues to blame.
Historically, it’s been because I didn’t just “use it”. Instead I tinkered with it, and then broke it beyond my ability to repair.
Basically the story around a lot of OSS software I feel. Made by engineers and tinkerers for engineers and tinkerers. Which is great but is also a double edged sword. Say what you will about corporate for-profit software, there’s probably something of value to having someone whose role it is to talk to engineers about what users actually want and use and do without giving a fuck about the engineering side of things.
to. Or give a fuck about the engineering side of things.This. A huge problem I’ve found in the FOSS community is that people are often somewhat hostile to making things user friendly. It’s a sort of elitism, really. There’s a middle ground to be had between apple’s walled garden, and there being no barriers against something running rm -rf / and fucking you entirely. Like yeah, it’s a bit annoying when the .exe from someone you absolutely trust throws a “this file might be harmful” in windows, but the alternative is your grandma who doesn’t understand shit about computers getting ass fucked by every random piece of malware.
Yea, and for me there’s a clear engineering virtue to be aimed for here … where your systems have smooth and easily accessed grades of increasing complexity and control within a coherent system.
Hardware support. My laptop speakers and fingerprint reader don’t work in Linux.
People don’t like to tinker or figure out things that were easier to accomplish on other OSes. That or they learned 1 way to do something and expect Linux to with that way.
Right, gnome for people who came from windows
Gnome’s current state is too far from the UI interface for people who only know windows. Maybe if it was Gnome2.
Employers requiring that I use Windows on a computer they provide has been a thing, once or twice. It’s their computer, so no argument from me.
Nowadays that would be pretty weird thing to do though. I mean, I’ll gladly do it if you’re paying me by the hour, I guess.
I’m actually looking at rolling Linux exclusively at some clients. The employees are working through a web app. All the ads, interruptions, and poorly tested updates in Windows waste time, but not enough to be a problem worth solving on their own. It’s managing software licenses that’s just too much of a pain when we need to suddenly bring on more staff (it’s a small business so no dedicated IT department). Easier to just have a standard Linux image that I show up and spam onto a dozen hard drives. I’m available for maintenance, but it’s never actually been required.
I’ve heard that immutable/declarative distros are great for that sort of application. I’ve only used NixOS and Kinoite for a very short time but they seem interesting.
The first time I gave up was basically just too much back and forth with Windows. Wine was still not there yet and Proton wasn’t even a thing yet though.
I’ve used it a lot on laptops still, but haven’t gone to a desktop mainly because friends still like to bounce between games that I have to worry if my system will even support (for anti-cheat reasons not for normal compatibility reasons)
Currently using on steam deck and it’s great, am planning for next PC because it feels like too much work to do on a current one when everything is already working the way I want it to.
The Steam Deck is a great example of consumer Linux done right. You don’t even know it’s Linux. The team who developed it did a fantastic job at focusing on the full end-to-end experience.
