• @oDDmON@lemmy.world
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    81 year ago

    There is absolutely no correlation between profitability and countries forbidding sideloading.

    Correlation with successful lobbying efforts on our part? Maybe. ~ Apple 🍏

  • Verdant Banana
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    41 year ago

    think the film Tron made a good while ago was about users having control versus systematic control over the users by the system admins

  • @mlg@lemmy.world
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    431 year ago

    All other countries without sideloading mandates

    Every 3rd world country that was already jail breaking and sideloading apps anyway:

    • Cait
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      21 year ago

      Maybe they just woke up and are yet to charge theire phone

        • Cait
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          11 year ago

          People who don’t want to brick their phone?

          • @RGB3x3@lemmy.world
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            That doesn’t happen unless you’re using a really janky power brick. You’re actually more likely to brick your phone by fast charging it all the time.

            Charging overnight allows the phone to trickle charge so that the battery doesn’t get worn out so quickly.

          • @Swarfega@lemm.ee
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            11 year ago

            I charge at night because of Adaptive Charge. Quick charging all the time is shortening the life of your battery.

  • Jvrava9
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    For anyone looking to sideload on their iPhone without jailbreaking or paying for a dev account, look into Trollstore, if your IOS version is compatable, you can sideload unlimited apps thanks to the 2 coretrust bugs.

    • LazaroFilm
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      71 year ago

      On iPhone you can only install an app via AppStore. Side loading is the act of installing an app without the AppStore (with a different store, or by sending a file from your computer… it allows to install apps that Apple doesn’t want on their store for various reasons like a retro game emulator to play Super Nintendo on your phone.

      • @EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website
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        61 year ago

        The really frustrating thing about iOS is even if you make and computer your own app, you have to reinstall it every week despite paying a $100 developer fee. And you can only have a few apps installed that way.

        • LazaroFilm
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          21 year ago

          Yes. I use SideStore which allows you to renew the app right on your phone without a computer but it’s limited to 3 apps and one is SideStore so really only two sideloaded apps.

        • @alcyoneous@midwest.social
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          21 year ago

          If you pay the developer fee you can sign for a full year, and you can have unlimited apps, but I think you can only sign 10 a day or something.

    • Hellfire103OP
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      361 year ago

      Something Android has had since version 1.0: the ability to install apps from places other than the App Store.

        • @redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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          61 year ago

          There are ways to sideload apps on iOS, but it’s pain in the ass. From my memory (may not be 100% correct as of today):

          • many 3rd party apps not allowed in apps store are distributed in source code form. use xcode to compile the app yourself and load it to your phone. Works for a week, then you’ll have to install it again. Oh, and you can only install three at a time.

          • there are 3rd party apps stores that sort of working by distributing their developer certificates along with the 3rd party apps (e.g. tweakboxapp, etc). You’ll need to trust the developer certificates before you can install the apps. Oh, and apple frequently revoked their certificates so you’ll going to play cat and mouse with apple.

          • use altstore.io to install 3rd party app. The same 3 apps limit still apply, but this app automatically manage reinstallation for you, so it can reduce the pain of managing sideloaded apps just a bit.

    • @grue@lemmy.world
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      171 year ago

      Loading your own software on a device independently of an app store, a.k.a. “the way general-purpose computers are supposed to work,” a.k.a. “exercising your property rights.”

  • 4grams
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    1081 year ago

    “Minimizes diminished App Store revenue”

    I am an Apple user and in the end I’m more comfortable with them having access to my data than google… but man, they don’t even bother to pretend it’s a pro-consumer issue thing anymore.

    Been noticing that a lot lately, corporate weasel language is dying as these companies grow more and more emboldened.

    • @woelkchen@lemmy.world
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      Anything Google is optional on Android, especially since the EU’s DMA which now mandates the service accounts to be decoupled (or to make coupling optional, to be more precise).

    • @Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
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      51 year ago

      Both Google and Apple sell your data to the same companies. It’s kinda the point of them having ‘an ecosystem’ (monopolized ofc).

      All “privacy” efforts they made with their OSs were exclusively so third party apps can collect less data from you and have to buy data from Google/Apple.

        • @Holzkohlen@feddit.de
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          31 year ago

          I am gonna guess they have their own ad setup. So they collect the data, setup profiles and whatnot. Then an advertiser can come and pay to use their system for targeted ads. Now does that count as “selling your data”? Not technically I guess. Google does exactly the same thing tho, right? I fail to see how they differ in any way. I suppose you can HOPE that apple cares about its reputation enough to handle your data carefully, but that is about it. Hopes and prayers.

        • @Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee
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          11 year ago

          The op I replied to? Apples quarterly revenue statements? Their terms you agree to? Explicit ‘Apple privacy policy’ on the subject?

          Both Apple and Google restrict third party app privacy not for your protection/increased privacy but to monopolize data collection. Eg Facebook vs Meta was a few years ago a fairly public fight.

          But on both OSs you don’t really have the option to restrict data collection from their services (on some Androids you can’t even disable Google services, much less uninstall them). And Google also pays several billions per quarter to Apple to be the default search data collection engine.

          It is true tho that companies differ a lot so the data collection is different too (the biggest difference is that Apple doesn’t have that much need for user data since it isn’t really in personalized ad business).

          • @jemorgan@lemm.ee
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            11 year ago

            You are delusional. It’s wild that you’re using sources like Apple’s privacy policy as a source when it directly contradicts what you’re claiming.

            The authoritative sources that you listed explicitly state:

            • Apple only delivers ads in 3 places (App Store, Apple News, Stocks). Contrast this with Google, which delivers ads on virtually every app on every screen you interact with if you’ve got an Android phone.

            • Apple doesn’t share any personal data with third parties for advertising. They also don’t “sell” your data at all. They also don’t buy (or receive) any personal data from third parties to use for marketing. Again, contrast that with Google, whose entire business model is doing each of those things as invasively as possible.

            I’m not claiming that Apple is “moral” or “ethical” or anything like that. But Apple’s profits are driven by them selling hardware, which means that if I’m someone who wants to buy hardware, their interests are at least somewhat aligned with mine. On the other hand, Google’s profits are driven by selling ads that are based on the most emotionally charged personal information they can gather. Any service they provide you is just bait for you to chew on so they can build the inventory they sell to advertisers.

            Sorry, but you really need to lay of the crack my friend.

    • @WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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      471 year ago

      It’s pretty funny considering their main arguments have never mentioned the financial impact and always leaned on SeCuRitY, or some dumb shit the fanboys will regurgitate.

      Like, Apple you lying little slut — we know you cuck for coins in everything you do.

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      161 year ago

      Just use something AOSP with F-droid. It will be much better for privacy.

    • Scrubbles
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      201 year ago

      I’m getting real tired of corpo doublespeak. It’s everywhere right now and I feel like people are finally getting wise to it. I don’t want to hear whatever made up by committee garbage you came up with. Give us an answer.

    • @jol@discuss.tchncs.de
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      121 year ago

      It’s a matter of time. Other countries just need a copy paste law. Apple knows this. But right now it’s worth it to keep 2 systems around.

  • @taanegl@lemmy.world
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    71 year ago

    I’m betting countries that do qualify will have a massive uptick in phones sold, but also a massive uptick in phones being smuggled out of the country.

    • @LufyCZ@lemmy.world
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      231 year ago

      I honestly doubt that. The average user doesn’t care about this, they probably don’t even know what “sideloading” means.

      I’m also not gonna go out and buy an iPhone just because sideloading is an option now. Not saying no one will, it just won’t be enough to matter.

    • @misk@sopuli.xyz
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      Its not going to be hardware level lock but linked to Apple ID region. For some it will definitely be worth jumping through some hoops but I think 99% will bail at having to arrange payment method that confirms their EU residency.

  • Skull giver
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    451 year ago

    I predicted Apple would use country lockouts for this stuff when the news first came out.

    Ask your government to take action, it’s the only way Apple might even consider loosening their iron fist on your phone. Undoing Brexit may not be in the charts, but the UK could probably get something similar to the DMA/DSA. It might even be more effective, as the EU’s requirements are spread across the preferences and markets of dozens of countries and cultures, whereas the UK is a lot smaller!

    • @grue@lemmy.world
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      71 year ago

      The time to get an Android instead of an iPhone was any time since 2008 when Android first became available.

    • Chainweasel
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      111 year ago

      Apple is so locked down I fail to see what the appeal could be in the first place, there’s very little customization, only one hardware manufacturer, and they’re more guilty of anyone else in the market of planned obsolescence.

      • They typically last longer than non iPhones.

        More importantly, I am a middle aged software developer who doesn’t want to customise his phone. I am happy to have a handset where I am limited. Gone are my days of geeking out and customising everything. I just want something that works for me.

      • Footnote2669
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        The ecosystem is the thing holding me here. Everything works so seamlessly and the products are very good (imo). I don’t have to worry that my watch and headphones might not work with another company’s phone, or at least not as good. If there are headphones and watches that would work as well, seamless and long as Apple’s, I’m open to suggestions. Apple might be behind with innovations, but when they implement something, it’s done right (usually)

        • @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          21 year ago

          Havent had any issues with my headphones conncectivity wise.

          I turn them on, they boot and play music.
          No connection drops or anything else.

          Only pairing wasnt fully automagically.
          I suppose if you’d buy 1st party brands, you’d get even that but that’s only a one time thing anyway so whatever.

          Tested with a Pixel 7 Pro and Jabra Elite 85h

          • @neo2478@sh.itjust.works
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            11 year ago

            The true magic is how seamless they immediately switch between phones and laptops. If I’m listening to a podcast on my phone but need to join a teams call or want to watch a video on my computer, I don’t even need to pause the podcast. The switch is immediate and automatic to the new audio source.

            Also audio sharing with other people with AirPods works really well.

      • @EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website
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        201 year ago

        iPhones historically have lasted 5+ years while android manufacturers tend to support a phone for maybe 2 years.

        Only justnow are companies promising 7 year support for Android, but even then Google has been full of shit lately like their pixel subscription that they cancelled right when users were beginning to be eligible for a new free phone.

        You can complain about the headphone jack, but Apple devices last far far longer than comparable devices. That goes for Macs too where the hardware lasts 10 years, and Google and Microsoft just tossed millions of devices in the trash by dropping support.

        Linux has longer support than anyone, which should serve as a model, but of the tech companies Apple is the least guilty of planned obsolescence.

        • @TauriWarrior@aussie.zone
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          91 year ago

          You mean except for when they got caught slowing down old models, or how their support will tell you to go to a store and the store will tell you to call support and nothing gets fixed. Or how they break Australian Consumer Law by saying that any ex-displays don’t have any warranty despite that legally your warranty starts when you buy the phone. Can’t fix anything just spend more money for latest version

      • Deceptichum
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        Just as long as you get one of the few models that are unlocked or offer a long lifetime of updates.

          • Refurbished Refurbisher
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            Samsung still doesn’t allow for unlocking the bootloader in the US, so after 7 years, the phone basically becomes ewaste due to lack of security updates. Repairability, I can’t speak on, but they probably still glue their screen.

            That’s not even counting the fact that SoC vendors put these unmaintainable amount of patches on top of the Linux kernel instead of contributing to upstream Linux, so that their device can use a generic kernel. This leads to the use of ancient Linux versions on embedded devices with no room for upgrade without a third party porting mainline Linux.

            “Smart” TVs/IoT devices have the same issue, but often times worse. You’d be lucky to get a new Android version on an Android TV, let alone a new kernel version, or the ability to run a custom OS, with documentation on how provided by the manufacturer, along with stock firmware.

            There’s also the problem of companies (mainly ones based in China) not releasing source code for the GPL-licensed software they use, such as the Linux kernel. Very common issue, especially with Mediatek products.

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          131 year ago

          That’s the thing though, you can get devices from other manufacturers and you can get unlocked devices with Android. Those things aren’t even options with Apple.