So small that I took a good 20 seconds to remember what the other Avatar even was lol.
I first thought this was a stab at Korra…
I genuinely assumed they meant the M Night Shyamalan one
Avatar is one of the greatest animated shows to have been released in at least the last 30 years
It’s the greatest animated kids show ever made.
Avatar is great but I don’t think it’s the greatest animated kids show. For instance I would put Bluey above Avatar.
I think they’re difficult to compare.
Bluey is a young kids’ show which adults can enjoy because of how it engages their inner child and their parental instinct.
Avatar is a show for older kids which adults can enjoy because of the deep themes, excellent character development, and sensitive world building. Adults enjoy Avatar in entirely the same way they enjoy Lord of the Rings or Star Wars.
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The only episodes of Bluey that I’ve seen are the cricket one and the State of Origin one, so I don’t think I’m best-placed to answer, but I would say it’s slightly more than @[email protected] gives it credit for. It helps role model good parent-child relationships, engages with adults emotionally. But unlike Avatar, which engages you emotionally entirely on its own merits, Bluey engages with your inner child or your parental instinct in an amazingly effective (but quite different and difficult to compare to Avatar) way.
Bluey is a show that tries to, and also successfully does, appeal to children and to parents. It doesn’t try to be anything more. It’s lighthearted and fun and that’s all it’s supposed to be.
Avatar on the other hand is a kids show that also wants to appeal to pre-teens and teenagers. Some of the themes of Avatar are not really kid friendly: the genocide of air benders, Zukos father mutilating him to make an example, Sokka losing someone he loved. Those are examples from the first season that I remembered. Avatar has a lot of mature subjects. There’s a reason the legend of Korra targeted late teens and young adults, because the more mature subjects of Avatar were what made the show great and the audience grew up.
Overall Avatar is the better show, but Bluey is the better kids show.
It’s got the anime problem for me, too much filler…
There’s a little bit I suppose.
But it does have an end. One Piece has almost 20 times the number of episodes, and is in no danger of reaching any kind of conclusion. It’s Coronation Street with pirates.
I can understand why you would say this, but I don’t really agree. There are a couple of complete filler episodes, but for the most part I think every episode is important. Avatar thrives on how good not only its main story is (I think the main story is good, but honestly is weak in comparison to the other things it does so well), but also on the strength of its worldbuilding and character development. Episodes like The Storm, Zuko Alone, and The Beach are amazing for how they teach us more about the characters and show us how they are changing. Avatar Day, The Headband, and The Avatar and the Firelord give us insight into the history of the world, explaining the background of how it came to be how it is, and how the world outside of our main heroes currently function.
It’s a show with just 61 22 minute episodes, telling one unified story. It’s very much not the anime that keeps stretching out plot lines to fill up its seasons, or that stalls for time while waiting for the manga to catch up.
It has an amount of filler, sure, but far from your typical anime. As someone that just finished rewatching it while separately watching through Naruto, A:TLA is miles better in terms of less filler.
If you are saying this without ever having finished a full watch through, I would highly recommend giving it another try.
Naruto Kai removed all the fillers
So it’s only 10 episodes?
I disagree.
Many of the manga-based anime were produced in parallel with the manga, so they would need those filler episodes to kill time. They were also adapting a fixed media with iconic images, so frozen poses of each character reacting to something “needed” to be included. Same thing with freeze-frame fight sequences, or extended power-up poses. That sort of filler could stretch a single chapter into three or four episodes. And then sometimes they would just make up some crazy shit for a few episodes. Oh no, the heroes have to fight a dinosaur somewhy.
With Avatar, there was no manga, and no need to fill time. The episodes were planned as part of the series, written and storyboarded for television.
Maybe the pacing wasn’t always great, and there are some less exciting episodes. Appa was lost for way too long. But that’s not the same sort of filler problem that anime struggles with.
I hear “Avatar”, I instantly think “Ultima”.
When you say “Ultima” I think of those Spoony videos.
What’s a paladin?
When you say “Spoony” the first image that comes to mind is Salad Fingers caressing a spoon
It’s amazing how this meme/whinging was going on for a decade on the internet, only for James Cameron to make a second movie and even that made 2 billion dollars (and could have surpassed the first one had there not been an outbreak in China).
And even after all of that, you guys actually think that people don’t care or remember about the films?
I think that people know and care about the films, but I’ve never seen anyone make a reference to it outside of discussions that are explicitly about it
Because it’s not a franchise that’s 50 years old like star wars or based off any existing material.
Once you have a generation that grew up on these films, you’d see more of the references.
The same is true of John Wick, and by my estimate, that has had a significantly bigger impact on pop culture.
Also, Avatar is only like 5 years newer than A:TLA, but even ten years ago the cultural impact of TLA was monumental compared to the impact of Cameron’s Avatar today
How do you measure it? Pandora theme park rides are insanely packed all the time. The first movie led to everyone getting 3DTVs, there were people who got depressed since they couldn’t live on Pandora.
Sure the terminally online crowd doesn’t gush about it, but you’d be lying if it didn’t have any impact.
Another reminder that we all share the same internet, but we live in different universes. Ain’t no one I know wasted money on a 3DTV or regular theme park rides. I guess among the folk that can afford obscenely expensive toys and even more expensive vacations, it might have had a bigger impact, but of the 5 figure income folks I know, not one really cares about the movies. I don’t even know of anyone who bought a 3DTV, let alone bought one specifically for Avatar
If only we had a metric that could estimate how many people watched it…
I never said nobody watched it. The whole point of this discussion is that it’s surprising how little cultural impact it has despite the insane viewer numbers
That’s his point though. We grew up with both Avatars and when talking about it by name, many people think of the animation.
The very thing you are saying won’t happen for 50 years is happening with that show.
Yeah ATLA was primarily aimed at kids and teens, so obviously today it’d be talked by them more.
Avatar is the antithesis to every “popular” movie. The hero isn’t a single man-child who quips all the time, he’s a crippled guy with a family, serious and sincere.
There were a lot more people quoting Star Wars in 1992 than quoting Avatar now.
The films are super popular but again after the sequel it was like everyone immediately went back to literally never mentioning the Na’avi or Pantera.
It’s because they look incredible on the big screen so people go to see them at the theater but the story and characters aren’t anything we haven’t seen a dozen times before so there’s nothing to really talk about long term.
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Guarantee this dude responds saying that those are just your circles, and that among people that aren’t “terminally online,” blue man group avatar is sooo much more popular, source: trust me bro
The movies seem to be something for the cinema. I think they lose a lot of magic at home, mostly because they were designed 100% for the 3d tech which is now dead.
You could show it in VR, but wearing a headset for 3 hours is not going to be a particularly enjoyable experience, and nobody really seems interested in bringing them all to VR anyway. Apparently Disney are planning on having it on the ludicrously expensive Apple VR thing, so hopefully somebody will rip it in it’s variable framerate 3D glory so I can watch it on my lesser peasant VR headset.
It really wasn’t all of that on the Cinema either. I watched the first Avatar on 3D when it premiered and was bored out of my mind 40 minutes in. I admit the tech involved, the CGI and the 3D stuff was super cool and interesting, I’m a nerd for high tech, but the script is so mid, the cinematography so cliche, the characters are cardboard cutouts and the subject matter so pedestrian that I just lost interest. When I heard the Way of the water was 3+ hours long I knew I would never watch it on theaters. Saw it at home in 45 minutes chunks as a mini-series and it confirmed it to me, the script is somehow even worse and even more forgettable, I’m glad I didn’t spend a dime on going to the movie theater for that one. The CGI is impressive but nothing new or unique that we haven’t seen before a dozen times already, there have even been better CGI movies than Avatar before.
The thing about the entire franchise being based on how good the CGI looks is if you wait 5-10 years the CGI will look dated and all you’re left with is a mediocre script.
It’s been more than 10 years since the original blue people movie, and I don’t think I heard people say it looked dated when it was re-released?
Not really. Avatar 1 revolutionised motion capture, which actually allowed Marvel’s entire MCU to exist the way it did.
Avatar 2 improved that yet again, which we’ll likely see in future superhero and scifi movies.
When I saw Avatar in the theater in 2009, it was a family outing while visiting relatives. I thought it was an Avatar: The Last Airbender movie and wondered why everyone had chosen it. I knew very little about Airbender (still don’t), but must have seen previews or something for the actual Airbender movie that came out in July the next year, while I somehow missed seeing anything about Avatar. It was maybe five minutes into the movie when I realized this wasn’t a preview for some sci-fi flick, it was the actual movie I was there to see.
Movie is shit, the more recent one is ok but still nothing does justice to the show XD
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Meh, I’ve always got to ask because while it’s certainly only every going to be the first thing in my mind I know way more people that have watched the movie with blue people and not the show.
I’ve neverwatched the show. Still I think of the show rather than the movie (which I have seen) when someone says Avatar
I’ve neverwatched the show
Bruh trust me. Change that! It’s an astonishingly good show.
Avatar of Khaine for me.
for millions of people, avatar has nothing to do with either movies or shows. it means incarnation of god in human form.
more accurate term would perhaps be western people.Hey, some of us western people have some vocabulary
sorry. could’ve worded it better
It’s fine haha, I know what you meant
Which is also a definition that aligns more with the show because the Avatar is essentially the current in a long line of reincarnations of a god-like being who can bend all four elements. The blue avatar refers to using technology to allow humans to inhabit/control a digital or physical being.
Though I think a lot of people in the West wouldn’t automatically think of either show or movie if “avatar” is used in the context of “an avatar of x” or “my avatar jumps when I hit spacebar”. Some might not know what you mean, but it’s probably enough context that they don’t think it’s the show or movie (or movie about the show).
I’ve never seen either…
I always had the opposite reaction. I’d say avatar and people would think I meant Xbox or the movie.
The biggest cultural impact from the Avatar movies is on the technology developed that will be used for other movies. The stories, characters and even world-building are not all that great, however the film-making is astounding and will reverberate through the industry for decades.
Definitely, but I feel like the second had a much lesser impact than the first
This is because the tech is no longer revolutionary. Everything used and displayed on the first Avatar was a first time or completely new and bespoke piece of tech that had some visual impact apparent for the audience. Everything on the second one is been done on better films before or if it’s brand new equipment or technique, is something that is not discernible by the audience through the screen. Also, nothing of importance or substance regarding the plot happens in any of the 3 hours of script. Perhaps the most boring film I watched in 2023.
much, much less
It was weird how some of the sequences just looked like game renders. Especially when they’re in the forest.
I disagree: for most of my country, whenever the term ‘Avatar’ was mentioned before WotW was announced, it was always that movie with the blue aliens that blew away their minds back in 2009; most of the adults, whenever we discussed the latest hollywood flicks always asked me if there was any news about the second movie. the visuals of Avatar was something that stuck deeply with them
Avatar was just Fern Gully remastered.
Matrix is just a rehashed star wars.
I don’t know, it is a bit more like a scifi version of The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe
I mean yeah, they all follow a template heroes journey trope.
This is a much better comparison considering Aslan is actually Jesus Christ. Although while in the Matrix you can say that Neo is an allegory for Christ, in C.S Lewis’s world, Aslan is literally the manifestation of Jesus Christ in Narnia. So it’d not a perfect comparison. But much better than Star Wars.
Wish that happened to me. I have to clarify the REAL Avatar.
