6 states siding against a supreme court decision to deny access to federal authorities seems big, if thats happened in my lifetime I’ve not heard of it before
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This has the potential to be the tankie Biden moment, but he’s only militant about doing violence to foreigners.
Bigger than my large adult son.
The most recent example of something similar I can think of is Eisenhower ordering the national guard in to force Arkansas to allow Ruby Bridges into a previously all white school. Of course, that that had a much narrower physical scope than the border. I don’t think the number of states whining means that much as several of them aren’t Mexico land border states so as a practical matter they’re just complaining/engaging in political theater.
Actual enforcement of the Supreme Court order is a mixed bag. It’s easy enough to have the feds reclaim specific crossing sites, and as this is more about political theater I think Abbot will buckle before actually telling the Texas National Guard to fire upon federal agents (and for that matter, those guardsmen risking themselves like that in the name of an election year stunt). The larger border with the razor wire is a different story as it’s easy for Abbot to send people back in to replace the wire after the feds remove it, and the federal government might decide it’s not worth the cost to keep removing it.
Why remove the wire when you can just remove abbot
UwU I’m just a widdle pwesident of amewikkka what do you expect me to doooo
Eisenhower sent deputy US Marshals, to escort Ruby Bridges to school in New Orleans. He federalized the Arkansas National Guard, to enforce the integration of Little Rock Central High School.
If they actually do secede, then every country in the world needs to immediately invade them on the side of the US and secure the nukes
no nukes for the new south. say no to nuclear proliferation!
A coalition of Mexico, Cuba, Venezuela, and several other south and Central American countries invading a newly independent Texas to resubsume into Mexico would be absolutely hilarious.
I can guarantee you that no balkanization is going to happen in the US.
Why? Because this is no longer the time period where individual states can build up their gold reserves as a store of their wealth. No, the US dollar is unparalleled in history in the sense that it allows the US to get “free lunches” from all over the world with junk papers.
I love quoting from this article from 2022 because the Californian finance department accidentally revealed a very crucial fact:
If you look at all of the personal income tax returns that were filed in California in the year 2020, just 1% of the total number of income tax returns that were filed were responsible for more than 49% of all of the personal income tax that was paid in that year. And unlike most of us who get our income from wages and salaries, that very narrow band of taxpayers derives a lot of their income from things like capital gains, stock markets [and] bonuses that are tied to corporate or stock performance. So when the markets are doing very well, those individuals are doing very well and state revenues are doing very well. Conversely, when the markets go south, their fortunes don’t do very well and the state’s revenues decline as a result.
Let’s parse this paragraph: California, the richest state in the US, derives much of its tax revenues from capital gains such as stocks and bonds. Yeah, good luck losing access to the dollar, if any US state even dares to contemplate about seceding for real. Their wealth and living standards are going to plunge overnight. Good luck with that.
Just because it’d be irrational for it to happen, doesn’t mean it won’t happen
This is just the equivalent of rich kids who live off their parents’ wealth throwing tantrum. At the end of the day, nobody dares to cut ties from the family wealth. Sure, some might be crazy enough to do it, but most of the time it doesn’t end well for them.
No country is ever going to give up the dollar just to trade with Texas. Literally nobody. This is how the US impose its sanctions and embargo against Cuba and all the Bad Countries.
I see what you mean
fwiw I don’t think it’s happening anytime soon, but crises such as these repeating (growing larger each time) plus the US’ power globally declining = after a few decades, probably balkanisation, sure
If the dollar loses its hegemony status, then likely. But it’s going to be a while away, probably decades like you said.
What if Texas joins BRICS?
Messin with Texas
BRICS Bank Aims to Increase Local-Currency Borrowing to 30%
- Dollar funding will continue to dominate, CFO Maasdorp says
But the majority of the bank’s funding — about 70% — will continue to be denominated in dollars, he said.
“The bank’s capital is in US dollars. Our reporting currency is US dollars. So the dollar is hot-coded in the DNA of the bank,” he said.
No shot. Everyone’s dragging their feet about de-dollarization at BRICS. My biggest disappointment of 2023, after all the encouraging talks about doing it during the 2022 summit.
I gotta be honest, nothing has made me despise dollar hegemony like your posting. Truly removed the blinders I had that had me coping re: BRICS
As you should. I try to raise awareness about how dangerous the dollar can be because too many people think that the US empire is on the brink of collapse just because it is losing a few wars currently, forgetting that the US has lost near every war since 1945 except maybe for the 1991 Gulf War and still managed to dominate the world like nothing has happened.
Accurate materialist analysis is anathema and antithetical to Western mindsets, even those with slightly wider lenses
Good take. Material analysis gives us an insight into the most likely scenario.
As a Texan, I would like them to take away our electoral college votes for failing to comply. Lets see the orange fatty win the presidency without Texas’s 40 electoral votes. Abbot should be held in contempt and indicted.
Nothing ever happens.
I really want to see at least one shootout between state and federal agents, but it’s probably not going to happen.
I’ve not
Is this contraction a midwestern US thing? Or some other dialect?
Most English dialects contract to “I haven’t”. Some parts of England do the “I’ve not” thing, but I rarely’ve heard Americans do it.
I’ven’t
I couldn’t tell ya, it’s just the words I use
Just anecdotally as an American in the South, Midwest or Great Plains (try and find me now FBI): In other circumstances you definitely can use I’ve in American English, like “I’ve been waiting,” and “I’ve not” doesn’t sound unnatural to me, just a little stuffy, but “I haven’t” is for sure more common.
We should all start using the clearly superior I’ven’t.
My favorite is contracting “you all are not” to “y’all’ren’t” (rhymes with tolerant). There’s also “y’all’dn’t’ve”, “you all (would|could|should) not have”. No one intends to say those, but I think a US Southerner talking at a natural or fast pace might end up saying them.
that’s weird?
Not by itself enough to cause balkanization or civil war, but still represents growing divisions in the US-American bourgeoisie which could lead to those events in the near future.
Yeah. It’s sedition. The feds should have everyone involved, at minimum, gitmo’d, if not hung. It’s a big deal. This is balkanization/civil war stuff. The feds have total, unambiguous authority over the border and the states have zero, zip, nada.
if not hung
hanged
Hunged
Hanging Chuds
Humming Chads, and it’s the new gregorian chant fad.
It’s wild they haven’t moved to shooting yet. BLM faced more persecution blocking a road to ask for police reform. These hogs are doing such a fundamentally illegal thing that a whole civil war was fought to decide the very issue of state authority and Biden doesn’t know whether to kiss them on the lips or give them all of their demands. The democrats could have had a huge groundswell of support for any action they take like they did with January 6th, but they’ve spent the last three years trying to prove to republicans that their border policy is just as fascistic. All of the orgs dedicated to that issue are now vote machines for the democrats or are opposed to them.
If the feds do something like Waco or Ruby Ridge they don’t have my support. If they do that level of violence here, that’s the clearest case for its justified use to the broadest number of people. I’d clap like I did on January 6th whenever anyone on either side got what they both deserve.
BLM faced more persecution blocking a road to ask for police reform.
That’s because it was leftist. The Texan hogs just want to do a particular fascist thing slightly differently than the way the federal government wants it done.
It goes back at least as far as O’Bummer, too. His border policy was “I am going to do everything the fascists demand because then they will like me and invite me to their tea parties.” Sucks. the democrats never had a solution to the GOP. idk. Bunch of wack ass fucking model UN losers. You can’t fight fascism with a more borng, pedantic, multicultural fascism, it turns out.
I agree, except i think it will probably blow over without any direct consequences for now (they’ll come down the line). The reason i think this is because while it is sedition - the states/governors are only engaged for the spectacle of it as a grandstand to the hogs. They aren’t politically engaged in pushing for actual secession or balkanize, because that isn’t their goal. And i don’t think the Biden Admin is going to do much but fundraise off this and call it a win/win for politicians in both parties.
6 states siding against a supreme court decision to deny access to federal authorities seems big,
25 now
Over a completely fictitious, made up, bullshit “crisis” that doesn’t exist and, I cannot stress this enough, is fake.
Do you think they factored in rising food prices caused by scaring off all the migrant farm labor as a calculated way to make Muricans poorer and more miserable so they’ll blame it on Joe?
6 million illegal immigrants in 3 years. Thats a crisis in something
we need to do something about 6 million unwelcome people you say
No, more like there’s a humanitarian crisis in their original countries. I thought that adding “in something” would make that clear
Two things you could do to make this clearer: use the word “refugees” instead of “illegal immigrants” and make a hexbear account because federated users set off the
automatically.Nah, y’all fuckers want to kill all white people. I happen to be white. I’m good not making an account here.
Death to
Not all white people. Mike Reynolds from Erie, Pennsylvania gets a pass because he’s a cool dude.
Nah, y’all fuckers want to kill all white people
I’m glad the reddit lemmys view us that way
Tell the other yakub honkys what you’ve seen
Die motherfucker Die
we don’t want to kill all white people you fool, we want to destroy the systems that perpetuate and enforce white power and supremacy in all its other related forms
Death to america and unlimited genocide on the west (generally being seen as the beating heart of global capitalist hegemony) are desperate and nonliteracalls for the immediate destruction of the thing that will destroy humanity if we do not defeat it
There is no time to be fucking worrying about civility or if something is ‘extreme’ there is no more time. This does not mean that we think killing all white people is a good solution, its patently absurd. White people don’t even exist white supremacists just insist they do, and then control who’s on the list, its all bullshit all the way down
As an aside, I too am white, don’t act like a victim, like you think the idea of someone trying to kill all white people is anything but fucking absurd
There it is
please clarify because it sounded very very bad
The US caused humanitarian crises in Central and South America.
sorry we jumped down yer throat there comrade
Fuck off loser lmfao
Edit: that phrasing was incredibly misleading lmao nvmd
Yeah, I’m not sure how to reword it in the same snarky manner
The fact that you’re on an instance called Reddthat does you no favors either haha
You were right the first time https://hexbear.net/comment/4530359
amazing
Edit: read below where you clarified. This wasn’t the best wording lol. I went straight for the tactical PPB
Take another peek lol
Damn, that was fast. Another
down
No it’s fucking not.
2 million immigrants a year into a country with large swaths of it that have single didgit population density per square mile is not a crisis to anybody that isn’t a bald faced fascist.
Plus border patrol exiles something incredible like a million people a year.
Lol it really does feel like kayfab shit
The fuck, really!?!??
Lol, lmao.
26 including TX
The Liberal Dropsite Massacre
no more half measures walter
Probably it’ll blow over in a couple of weeks. The feds next step for things like this is usually to find something they fund and pull funding…probably in this case they could just pull any border funding they give to Texas, and that would be enough for Texas to say “fuck it, we can’t buy more razor wire without the funds” and give it up. That’s almost always how these things end up.
If not, next step would be to use force, which at worst would result in a minor skirmish at one or two spots between the local forces and the feds. The local forces would lose that fight pretty much immediately. I would guess most of them are all talk and as soon as the feds roll up with tanks and start shooting, they’ll give up because they’d rather not die for some stupid border skirmish. The feds may not even have to shoot, what tools do the local forces have to stop an APC from just running over the razor wire? The die hards might stick around and they would die, hard. Perhaps there will be some token fall guy somewhere that spends a long time in jail afterwards, we don’t know about him yet because he’s not going to be anyone relevant. Nobody that matters will be punished for this in any capacity, just a few local goons will die and some middle manager soldier type will be made an example of.
Either way it ends with Texas and their allied states using this as yet another campaign talking point to show how the fed is doing le government overreach, push their agenda as usual, and the racists will eat it the fuck up forever. There’s no way in hell this is anything more than a political stunt, even if it gets a few folks at the border shot by the feds. A small price to pay for the GOP to push their agenda. Sure, their stunts are getting flashier and flashier because they need to, but the GOP doesn’t want to balkanize so there’s no way it’ll go that far.
Either way it ends with Texas and their allied states using this as yet another campaign talking point to show how the fed is doing le government overreach
Exactly. That’s the whole point of doing this for them, and the entire reason its happening in an election year.
It is just a stunt. Its a stunt that has some really high stakes implications that should matter in a functioning society - but we don’t live in one if those. We live in one where you can throw a political stunt thats equivalent to sedition and its no big deal because no one wants to deal with that, just enjoy the spectacle
You still feel that way knowing that now it’s not 6 states supporting it it’s 25?
I do, yes. Republicans aren’t going to go to start a countrywide civil war over some razor wire on the border. That’s the only other way this ends, either the funding cuts and a few local force deaths stop this, or it’s literally civil war. I guess the secret 3rd option is that Biden just does nothing and Texas keeps doing what they’re doing. That’s also pretty likely. Either way 2 of those 3 options are basically systemically nothings, and a civil war is highly highly highly unlikely.
It’s option 3.
Biden will do nothing and lose another 15 points in the polls when he clearly demonstrates he’s not only full steam ahead on genocide abroad, he’s also not gonna do a goddamn thing about the rapidly expanding fascism at home either.
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Sure, but Yugoslavia was never the heart of the imperial core. There’s no way the US balkanizes over something like this, it would be completely devastating to global capitalist hegemony. They won’t destroy themselves over something like this.
were the yugoslavians not invested in not detonating the country too? civil war is generally to the common ruin of the contending interests, but in spite of not being in people’s best interest it still happens
If they really thought like this they would have made sure Bernie won so that they could buy themselves more time before worsening material conditions radicalize people.
Objectively that would be better for the survival of capital than leaning harder into neoliberal austerity
This is not a rational system making careful decisions
I mean, Brexit was the same kind of irrational, if lower stakes.
It’s going to be a huge load of nothing. Just like Jan 6th was nothing, just like the Bundy Ranch standoff was nothing, just like the Malheur Wildlife Center occupation was nothing. Biden doesn’t have the cojones to do anything decisive about it, doubly so because it’s an election year.
Biden doesn’t have the cojones to do anything decisive about it, doubly so because it’s an election year.
True. That’s the main reason this is even happening right now, because its an election year. Despite all the implications of this that should matter and are actually high stakes, the reality is that to these governors and the Biden Admin this is just a stunt thats a part of US electoral politics
I might vote for the guy if he started mowing down border patrol hogs and their paymasters lmao
Libs are already doing the “we can’t do anything or republicans will call us authoritarians” line.
So it’s not like it’s going to start a co flict but it’s just going to demonstrate with extreme clarity that democrats are literally completely useless for foreign affairs and also will not do literally anything even when multiple republican states are explicitly ignoring federal law to murder vulnerable minorities.
Basically it’s just gonna knock dems down another 15 point in the polls and all those “moderates” libs are obsessed with are just gonna sneer even harder when a liberal explains to them how letting Republicans do literally whatever you want is the pragmatic and reasonable decision.
I mean it’s giving Ted Cruz the opportunity to look like he’s actually standing for something lmao.
In the meantime they might literally start gunning down migrants approaching the border while liberals tell you you’re a child if you think k Biden should do anything about it.
Every dem voter is going to get an email citing it as more evidence that Democracy Is On The Ballot and demanding more donations.
“The South is rising in revolt and I am doing everything I can to encourage them. Here’s why I need you to open your wallet and pour out the last few pathetic copper fennigs stuck to a piece of gum in the bottom to aid my path to the white house where I will make your life measurably worse”
Better than any Biden pitch I’ve heard so far
We need to let the voters decide whether to enforce sedition laws. Make sure to
Biden to force him to do something.“Also there is literally nothing Biden could do about the situation so don’t ask”
