Mastodon, Lemmy & kbin 😊👍
Yep loving all three!
Ironically the two are only half way competing with each other. There’s two buckets of twitter peeps:
A) People who keep up with specific people, reducing day by day.
B) The for you page peeps. The vast majority of people I know on Twitter including myself are there for the algorithm feeding us memes and content. Specifically the 2016-2021 algorithm.
Considering mastodon doesn’t have any form of FYP/For you it’s really only competing for bucket A which in my experience has reduced by an incredible amount in the past few years and continues to reduce and makes it useless to a large majority of twitter users.
Unfortunately or fortunately twitters algorithm also sucks now so there’s a pretty big market gap here.
When I did use twitter it was for being the fastest way to get news on events developing in real time. George Floyd protests, J6 coup attempt, start of war in Ukraine, etc. And not just national/world news but also local news. I don’t really that type of use fits in to your two buckets and unfortunately I don’t think Mastodon is quite there yet to fulfill this type of thing either, but I definitely think it could with more time and more users. Fuck the influencers and people looking for ‘content’ imo, when people are going to Mastodon with breaking news is when we’ll know twitter is completely dead.
Definitely true, totally forgot about breaking events in my original comment. I would say it still lands in bucket B as it’s algorithmically fed at least in my experience as I don’t follow many news sources directly, it just finds its way into my feed via the algorithm.
when people are going to Mastodon with breaking news is when we’ll know twitter is completely dead.
Absolutely great point
Fast, but inefficient.
Inefficient how? I don’t use twitter, I never liked twitter being mentioned in the actual news (“a user twitted this, another use twitted that, etc”), but what’s more efficient than opening that stupid app and getting content from people who are in the area where the news is happening?
Real time breaking news has an extremely low signal-to-noise ratio. It’s mostly FUD and mis or dis information.
The Mastodon app has a “for you” section if you go to search and swipe from posts>hashtags>news>local>for you. You have to look for it though.
Get them onto kbin.social. we can always use some extra mates! 🦙
I’d take that with many grains of salt, brands and influencers aren’t moving and neither are their followers
They’re not going to go to mastodon, but there have already been a pretty big exodus to Threads. I have a feeling that’s going to be the thing - twitter is going to die slowly mostly in favor of Threads, meanwhile Mastodon and the fediverse will probably continue being a minor player for a while.
I remember when facebook changed its looks to mimic twitter (the whole newsfeed launch was part of that.) I can’t believe it. After 10+ years, fucking facebook might actually dethrone twitter.
It’s been stated that Meta intends to federate Threads with Mastodon eventually, so either will ultimately be viable.
I have zero faith that will happen. I don’t think they anticipated how well threads would be adopted and that saying they’d federate was just a hedge.
I bet they’ll pull a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
I’m sure that’s what they want. A free and open platform that doesn’t rely on advertising and isn’t there to make a profit? Kill it!
A few instances will likely federate with threads, but probably not the interesting ones…
I think the implication was that Threads will not actually federate
Oh I think they’ll do, just to not miss the train, and then they’ll find a “smart” way to “destroy” federation and get people on their side… But we’ll see…
Threads will kill nothing for as long as it remains unavailable in Europe due to breaking GDPR.
Bluesky is more likely, particularly given its Twitter’s former ceo building it.
Bluesky just barely hit a million users is still invite only and is largely in a beta state, and though I’m not on it, everyone I know says it’s a zombie platform and they’d rather be on Mastodon for nerd shit or Threads for normie shit. Threads has over 100m users already. The numbers alone make Bluesky not really worth mentioning, and effectively Threads killed it within the first day. Dorsey has also shown a track record of having no idea what he’s doing. Probably half of the things people think about with Twitter come from the community. @mentions, rt, the term “tweet”, etc. The twitter app was developed by a third party and bought.
As much as Zuckerberg sucks, Meta actually runs like a real company with adults at the helm. Dorsey’s already fucking up bluesky not learning anything from his time at twitter and not making moderation a priority. Brands are already embracing Threads over Twitter and Bluesky because they don’t want their ads showing up next to porn and nazis.
Oh, and as for GDPR, Meta has already stated they plan for a later launch, and again since it’s a company of (sociopathic?) adults, they’ll actually get it done, but it’s already effectively over.
Meta has already been hit with antitrust by the EU. Even if they later get around the fact they’re breaking GDPR by datasharing all the instagram accounts (which is where the inflated number of users comes from) they can not get around the Digital Markets Act coming into effect next year which carries a fine of 10% of all global revenue for actions like this.
That’s not terribly surprising, given that both of those groups rely most heavily on network effects: the very point of such accounts requires being where their audience is, especially brands. Those kinds of accounts will move en masse only when most everyone else has already done so
Also, we do have some influencers here - namely a few Linux youtubers, and technology connections. Basically it’s those that you would somewhat expect to have a presence on a budding social network like mastodon.
I see George Takei and Neil Gaiman post on there :)
Wasnt aware technology connections was on masto. Admittedly I dont use my mastodon all that much, becuase I dont really much enjoy the microblogging formula as much as a more forum like system like I could get from reddit and now lemmy, but the only youtuber Im familiar with that Ive been able to find there thus far has been NotJustBikes.
Exactly, no one cares until Mr beast or Beyonce moves and they aren’t going to mastodon haha
If they do, it will be because we’ve reached an arbitrary critical mass. Think, mastodon has 2.1M active users now, twitter has 230M active users.
Mastodon will be considered viable at roughly the same number of users that caused the media to think of twitter as “mainstream”
I’m thinking at least 20M users, 10x what mastodon has now.
I would like more of a sports presence here tho and unfortunately sports beat writers I followed on Twitter aren’t coming here
No, screw sports! Open your own instance for that. It was so annoying to block sports on reddit every single week.
Yeah I meant more in it’s own instance vs here. But what I’m saying is even if I do I won’t get the breaking news content I want because the journalists are not switching over
I hear ya. Sorry, I didn’t mean to shit on your hobbies and interests. Everyone likes what they like.
There are some bots on Mastodon that mirror tweets from sports reporters that I’d followed on Twitter.
It’s annoying that’s you can’t respond to things like mailbag questions, but I can still get breaking news, NFL training camp reports, etc.
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Yeah. Apparently called fanaticus.social
Found it on https://join-lemmy.org/instances
Why did you have to do it every week?
Because a new sub would pop up every week. Braves, nhl, baseball, redsox, golf, etc.
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That seems like good news for Mastodon
people also left AOL once they realized tf’n browser works without a monthly sub. wrote WordPress after geocities sucked so bad. tech baby boomers? so 2k
Damn, elon’s really leaning into that edgelord dystopian faceless corporation aesthetic huh
Mastodon has become super stable. It is the place to go.
Absolutely - though some people find it too bare bones. It’s designed to be a bit of an anti-Twitter, after all.
Those looking for something more flashy might be interested in checking out, for example, Firefish. The Firefish site also includes a neat “Fediverse software comparison”, which lists popular federated services and some of the features they currently have. Personally I prefer the stripped down approach of Mastodon, but reasonable people might disagree. :)
Oh, and there’s also elk.zone, an online user interface for Mastodon that behaves a lot like Twitter. Similar to those “old lemmy” sites (like old.lemmy.world) in a way, but as an online app similar to wefwef.app.
Is Firefish the same thing as Calckey?
I created a Calckey account a couple of weeks ago but it was basically a weird Mastodon with even fewer people from what I could tell.
Yes, Calckey updated and rebranded (?) as FireFish. https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_Firefish%3F
Yes, it’s just a rebrand. It’s similar to Mastodon in some ways but with many many more features.
It’s federated so you can follow and interact with all the same Mastodon people.
Problem is it’s not super stable and the federation doesn’t work too well…
Very interesting to read people’s experiences, as I don’t have any first hand experience. I’ve just seen enthusiastic content from users and figured it was a better fit for some people.
Might be a bit too much on the bleeding edge still - not entirely unlike kbin and Lemmy. Would you say that it’s rough enough that you wouldn’t currently recommend it to people?
Important to note, the fewer people should not significantly restrict your experience. Everything is part of the same network.
Good point. I did follow a few accounts I already follow on Mastodon. But then I thought “I have a Mastodon account already… Why am I doing this?”
And the Emojis instead of starring a post was throwing me off.
edit: I see there is a star online now. Maybe it was just the Kimis app that was weird.
The apps have definitely been the biggest thing holding me back. Kaiteki seems perfect but also broken on my phone right now :/
This is a good thing! Corporate social media is a bad thing.
Great for the fediverse but also weird reason to jump ship. All the other bullshit was fine, but “whoa they changed the logo now I’m out”?
Remember why Ray Kroc wanted McDonald’s… because of the name/brand. Anybody could make a hamburger/shake shop or shack but he had to have the name because the name was a seller.
Nobody thinks X is cool other than Elon musk and him switching to it is another signifier of how uncool Twitter has become. Every little thing adds to the flow of traffic to the exit.
It’s like watching an episode of Beavis and Butt-Head where every single decision they make is a bad decision. And it’s hilarious.
I think a good amount of it is also “the straw that broke the camel’s back.” Twitter users have been taking abuse after abuse. Like many others have stated, they use Twitter to follow specific people. If those people aren’t on other platforms, then they’re going to stay. But after a certain point, the cost becomes too high. Now the platform is rebranded and now it looks as alien as it’s begun to feel. I think that’s why so many are once again leaving. Before they could just ignore everything else going on and try to move on with their day. Not there’s a big, fat X reminding them of how much they’re starting to/already hate the platform now.
None of it was fine, people have been browsing for alternatives ever since Elon Musk took over.
At most, many hoped things would ultimately stay the same, which they definitely didn’t. The biggest hurdle is that a lot of people there are waiting for their friends and favorite content creators to pick what place they will move to, and content creators are extra hesitant because they don’t know if they will have as much following and reach as they used to. I see a bunch of smaller creators pretty much mourning their careers.
I’d like to think it’s people finally realizing “Holy shit he IS an idiot” but that might be too optimistic
I’ve already had several non-tech people say something along the lines of “What the heck is this X thing on my phone?”
I gotta wonder how many other people are just impulse uninstalling something they don’t recognize off their phone as well, since ol’ Musky boi did this with basically zero user notice as well.
I had a similar thought. Non-techies are going to open up Twitter and see a different logo but it the text still says Twitter and think they’re on a phishing site.
Bass pro shops social media > Twitter/X
And probably won’t matter much.
This user surge will probably go crawling right back in a week or two.
Every surge will retain more people as every surge brings more content.
That’s true. I just don’t expect this one to be quite so consequential as the others.
Yeah, if moving to Threads wasn’t enough to hold people there, I doubt Mastodon will be able to hold them either.
Renaming Twitter to 𝕏 is probably the straw that break the camel’s back to those people.
Yeah it makes no sense. I think the media is just out to trash Elon at every opportunity for any miniscule thing. He is somewhat of an outcast of the billionaires club in that he dies not appear to want to enslave humanity and deny the poors of their rights.
Yeah, I mean, who hasn’t wanted to experiment with putting microchips into baboon skulls, or called someone a pedophile just because they hurt your feelings, or treats their workers like absolute trash? He’s just a regular guy doing regular things and the media is using him as their whipping boy.
Transhumanism is a thing whether we like it or not, hopefully Elon will do it ethically. I don’t care if he said mean things to somone, that is between him and the individual. Provide examples of him treating his employees like trash?
Provide examples of him treating his employees like trash?
Someone fairly recently wrote a very long article about it., but it is only the first drop in the ocean of stories google comes up with about how bad an employer he is.
Musk has openly stated his support for the Republicans and for right wing causes countless times during his twitter shitposting period. If anything he has more openly voiced support of enslavement of humanity and the denial of the rights of poors than most of his billionaire colleagues, who are mostly all too smart to voice those ideas anywhere in public.
Yea he just settles for treating his employees with no respect and firing them on a whim without their owed severance pay.
Cite examples?
I mean… take your pick on who he hasn’t paid, there are pleeeeenty of examples out there. He even lost the ability to engage in arbitration over the unpaid severance because he didn’t pay the mediators lmfao. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=twitter+unpaid+bills
Serious question for you- why are you defending him? Like, the information demonstrating he’s kind of stupid and a terrible person is so easily available to you. At this point you have to actively work to remain ignorant of it, and his history of trying to claim accomplishments that aren’t his own. Why bother?
Here’s one big example of unpaid severance pay: https://www.reuters.com/legal/twitter-again-sued-over-severance-pay-bias-during-layoffs-2023-07-18/
Plus I’ve read many comments from insiders before that every single company he runs is a terrible place to work for, in terms of overworking employees.
Wait, what? Have you ever heard of longtermism? “Your stupid peasants’ suffering today matters little if we can take humanity to spaceTM. Don’t hold back progress.” If this is not enslaving humanity and shitting on the poor, I don’t know what is.
What are you even talking about? Care to elavorate? How is he making anyone suffer?
No, you’re sealioning, this is a waste of time :/ he’s at least as scummy as any other billionaire, like Zucky, Bezos, Gates, Thiel and all the other ones nobody hears about.
Why do you think the media goes so hard after Elon and we don’t hear much or anything at all about the others? Why is there a rabid cult of anti muskers that try to denigrate him at every opportunity? What is their agenda? When someone is singled out it should make you reflect on the reason why. He is hardly the worst billionaire around yet he gets all the flak.
The media drooled all over him and carried him until he declared war on them. Look up news of him before 2020, there is hardly anything negative (and there should be, he’s been manipulating stock and treating employees like shit, like the other Billionaires). When did the media say anything critical about hyperloop? You live by hype, you die by hype.
Why do you think the media goes so hard after Elon and we don’t hear much or anything at all about the others?
Because the others stay out of the spotlight. Musk deliberately shitposts and wants to be seen, so the media (and everyone else) sees him and reacts to that.
But if you take your time to actually acquaint yourself with matters, you will notice that the media and everyone else are also very busy criticising other corporations and other billionaires. It is just that Musk being the narcissist that he is, very much like Trump, deliberately create stories on a daily basis through his poor judgement and constant craving for exposure.
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What are you on about? Every opportunity to trash him??? He can easily change his behaviour, he’s a trash person so he doesn’t. He absolutely wants to deny the poor their rights, look at how he treats the workers of twitter and how he spoke of those he fired. I truly don’t know how you can be this blind unless it’s willful. Get real
Twitter shrunk its staff by 3700, many of whom left of their own volition. Examples of some companies that cut more jobs then Twitter that nobody seemed to givr a damn about: Amazon 27k Meta 21k Accenture 19k Alphabet 12k Microsoft 10k Salesforce 8k Disney 7k Dell 6.6k
I guess the people working at those companies just don’t matter huh?
I don’t see any other billionaires fighting for basic human rights like free speech other than Elon. He doesn’t have a perfect track record on that count but it is better than the flat 0 of the rest of that clique.
Ask people from India or Turkey what they think about Elon fighting for free speech. Especially after he said, “By “free speech”, I simply mean that which matches the law.” Which means he’s all in favor of what North Korea considers free speech.
HAHAHAHAHA you cannot be serious? Yes freeze peach warrior Elon. Get. Fucking. Real.
Great contribution, gold star.
Because you aren’t worth it. You clearly ignore evidence being placed in front of your face so there isn’t a point. Literally start googling about his management of twitter, all the evidence is there. But you won’t
You should really learn to separate claims with actions. Musk likes to claim he fights for free speech (well he used to, for some reason he hasn’t really talked much about it lately), but he has not only done nothing in favour of them but actually opposed it during his ownership of twitter.
Also, I don’t know what kinda gotcha you think you have with those layoff numbers. It is as if you think that people here just love all those other corporations and only hate Musk, when that is the opposite of the truth.
He doesn’t need to enslave humanity, just his Mars colony. As far as money over rights are concerned, his ‘free speech absolutist digital town square’ sure does give a lot more privileges for those willing to pay.
Also how do they know it is a twitter exodus and not a Reddit or Threads exodus? I quit reddit entirely and I know many who have as well. It seems much more likely to be the case.
I get your point, but Twitter is more analogous to Mastadon than to Lemmy.
Because tweeting and being on Twitter is culturally relevant. Twxing and being on =…,/‘’''°°X°°""/,…= is sad and cringe.
People run away from things which are sad and cringe.
No one goes around saying they’re on twitter and that they tweet. People aren’t going to leave in any great numbers because it’s now called X.
People run away from things which are sad and cringe.
Threads would like to have a word
I kinda like the name “Threads” but X sounds like something 12 year old me came up with
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Definitely I understand your first comment but I don’t understand the second. I don’t think it looks like a swastika but more of an energy drink.
By this logic X.org’s logo is a swastika
People really love their cute animal logos I guess, #whatcanyoudo?
people do weird things
The blue bird was the last thing they had left
Made a mastodon account yesterday mainly out of curiosity. Never been to Twitter.
So they might be counting just me lol
Elon rate limits tweets
i sleep
Elon changes the logo
real shit??
A lot of people stay because of lingering attachment to the platform. As weird as it is, changing the branding subconsciously tells the human brain “This is a new platform” and that makes switching mentally easier.
I think it’s spot on. It’s people who were already going through the stages of grief, were kinda stuck in “bargaining” (like: “nah, Twitter is not really dead, it’ll come back”), and the symbolism there about Twitter really being gone-gone fast-tracked them to depression/acceptance.
- Denial: “There is no way Elon would do that to Twitter.”
- Anger: “This is stupid. Why would Elon do this to Twitter? He’s making things so much worse!”
- Bargaining: “Maybe if I hold out he’ll revert the changes. Maybe Elon has some good left in his heart.”
- Depression: “Why do stupid things like this happen to me?”
- Acceptance: “Looks like Twitter’s dead in the water, we should move on.”
Yeah, I think that’s probably more accurate than what I was thinking, and that leaving belongs to acceptance rather than depression.
They finally started to read the room and noticed the furniture they liked wasn’t there and had been stolen. We’ve already figured out Musk’s antics and that he’s a deplorable human being. They’re finally starting to open their eyes and pay attention, especially now that he’s meddled with their toy.
The stages of grief don’t have to go in that order. People can be angry at Twitter and then jump to acceptance that its never going back. No fast tracking needed.
I was actually aware of that, which is why I wrote depression/acceptance, meaning they probably moved from bargaining to either one of those, thinking either of those 2 stages could prompt people to leave. By fast-tracking, I meant that moved happened faster than they would have if the rebranding hadn’t happened. It’s still a fascinating bit, I have known about the stages of grief for a while, but only learned recently (like, this year) that they didn’t have to happen in order.
Couldn’t agree more. I was a fail whale era twitter user. Wayyyyy early user. I ditched it a little bit before musk actually, but I still ended up seeing threads here and there because of Reddit.
Just today I landed on a Twitter thread, saw that x and it was like, strangely repulsing…I wanted to get the hell out of there asap
You’ve been considering leaving Twitter for a while, and suddenly one morning the bird has flown and Twitter has left you instead.
I think it’s also a clear signal that things are really never going to return to normal, it’s only getting worse from here. Which is easy those of us on the outside to observe, but maybe slightly harder from the inside when you still have most of the community still intact and posting.
I think some of us also had hopes that the new CEO would put a leash on Musk and steer Twitter into calmer waters again, but this was just proof that Musk is still doing wtf he wants and the CEO is just there for show. So people have now abandoned their last bit of hope and therefore abandoned T…I mean X as well.
While I haven’t been an active user in a longer time, I’ve still been a very active lurker until Musk took over. By now, I’ve only checked Twitter every now and then when bored, to see what happened (as I mostly used Twitter as some kind of news feeds for stuff I couldn’t easily follow in any other way). But today I started migrating off completely - going through my follow list one by one and finding ways to follow those things (like local police, local town, local zoo, etc.) in other ways.
For some that means slower news, or only the most important news - which kinda sucks, as e.g. local police info were good to have in real time during major events or when there was some protest going on. For some this even means mailing lists, ugh.
And a few I couldn’t replace at all, so I’ll miss out on those news. Sucks, but hopefully those people/entities will provide their news feed through some better means sometime now.
the CEO is just there for show
The CEO is there to fail: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_cliff
wall of text to say puppet non-white male CEOs ride failing companies into ground and get blamed. yet they do it anyway. scroll finger hyperactive syndrome flare-up
If I had to guess, she’s negotiated a rock solid contract with an exit package in mind. Either that, or she’s an idiot because there is no fucking chance of being successful with Elon being Elon.
When spez doubled down and Reddit imploded i moved to lemmy. I also discovered mastodon. But then i realized the reason i used twitter was to follow certain people/accounts none of which are on mastodon.
We had a reason to ditch Reddit, because they forced everyone off our beloved third party apps. But twitter didn’t have this kind of meltdown. Im only a consumer on Twitter, and its still working fine. No reason to quit. The rate limit is dumb but it isn’t the end of the world.
Yup Twitter was for following people and Reddit was for following topics. Lemmy with all the new users is pretty much viable for big topics now but Mastodon doesn’t magically have all the people I want to follow just because it’s a better format.
some dignity might be enough reason to leave it
This will be one of the first “in your face” things that is immediately noticable by a finicky user base that only understands and associates value to popular brands. Musk just removed the popular and familiar brand that people are comfortable with, so why would those people stay?
The logo change has brought out a new wave of articles and tweets about it, and people go “oh no that’s right I’m on twitter! Well THIS is the final straw! Thank goodness there were all these hate articles and tweets that reminded me I was supposed to be angry!”
Also, many of the people who “jump ship” are right back on Twitter within a week. mastodon.social has an entire graveyard of celebrity accounts that haven’t been posted to in months because the outraged celebrities just went back to twitter.
I’m happy for Mastodon (I run a fediverse instance and the more users there are the more chances of interesting people and the like), and some of those people do realize they like the vibe more and stay, and a lot of those bumps are significant for the platform. The thing is, we’re talking a few hundred thousand, maybe a million accounts of 200 million daily active users on twitter.
I thought Twitter rebranded to 69Boobies420 ?!
You mean 69Boobies420Hitlerdidnothingwrong#Jewspiracy#Libsgetrekked
That’s Elon’s new screen name. You’re getting the two confused.
I completely understand why people would be drawn to Mastodon as an alternative to Twitter. The platform’s decision to prioritize white supremacy and far-right extremism was a major factor in alienating many users who found themselves unwelcome on the platform. As a result, Mastodon has benefited from the backlash against Twitter’s actions, but it’s clear that there are still plenty of people seeking an alternative social media network that doesn’t condone hate speech and bigotry.
In addition to the issues you mentioned, I believe that the rise of Mastodon can also be attributed to the increased awareness around the importance of protecting marginalized communities online. It’s no secret that Twitter’s failure to address harassment and abuse has pushed many users away, leaving them feeling unsafe and unprotected. Mastodon offers a space where individuals can share their thoughts and ideas without fear of being targeted by trolls and other online troublemakers.
Ultimately, while both platforms continue to experience fluctuations in user numbers, it seems likely that Mastodon will continue to grow as long as it remains dedicated to providing a safe and inclusive environment for all. White supremacy is not welcome here, and we must hold ourselves accountable for ensuring that this message is heard loud and clear. Thank you!
I am there now and testing out the waters
Please post a video. It will be an Xvideo. Xhamster will not be happy about this…
Report back. Are the waters safe?
They are very safe, and more reliable than Lemmy in general.
How long do we give them to reply before we presume them lost, and the waters dangerous?
4 hours. They’re dead.
8 hours now.
11 hours. His oxygen tanks are empty for about an hour. We should call his wife.
Mastodon is great, I like it way more than lemmy. TBH its the only federated social I think is actually doing really well, way more users but still a small town vibe. People posting art or pics of their gardens or linux posts. Better moderation overall. It’s very gay and I love it.
Something like 30% of posts are CSA. So not a very safe environment.
Yes, they are.
Esketit fediverse let’s gooooo
I’m curious why this recent trend isn’t visible in Google Trends? I watched the November exodus unfold in real time there. This time not a glimmer of activity
https://mastodon-analytics.com/ did not update for some days, but today there are 2.1M active users
The problem with Mastodon is that I couldn’t make any sense of it. 😂
Did you try? It’s really not that complicated. Maybe you’re just dense.
What’s the problem? Like signing up or finding people?
I’ve found the trick or to follow hashtags rather than people. But it’s a balancing act, sometimes you’ll find your stream gets flooded with one topic so you need to refine what you are following.
It’s really not all that different from Twitter in terms of the interface.
Not in terms of the interface, but I couldn’t get the timeline to not be a complete mess of all sorts of topics.
You have to follow hashtags. That sorts things out. Or at least it does for me.
I’ll have to make a new account and give it a go.
Yeah the main difference is that there is no echo-chamber algorithm serving content in the way we’re used to with more corporate social media. It’s up to you to discover what you like and build your feed
