If lemmy.world finds this, please tell my starving children that I love them.
You’re not far left enough for me if you’re still thinking that instead of “let’s go grab the guillotine”
Far left in my country would be terrorist organizations from the leftover decades where terrorist groups formed around the Soviet communist idea.
The important part is to direct the anger towards the real enemy: the leeches sucking our planet dry and planning their escape off world. „Left“ and „Right“ are categories we were told to think in, along with buzzwords like „neoliberal“ and „woke“.
As in the definition of a cult, special language is used to divide us further and cut us off from one another.
Even calling for guillotines is kind of the same thing. We should stop killing each other. Just seize everything they have and leave them fending for themselves, same as every one of us.
The idea that Capitalists are directly controlling the media and intentionally inflammatory to create endless culture war that divides the Proletariat against itself is a firmly leftist belief.
I mean, it’s also objectively true, but “leftist” and “true” align more often than not.
Leftists generally are correct and also morally superior to conservatives, yes. Conservativism is reactionary and opposes liberation, in favor of maintaining current power structures, even if it relies on outward hatred of the less fortunate.
Although it is understandable that you are frustrated with the „others“, I think the „right wing nutjobs“ are not what conservatism actually aspires to be.
If you read up on conservative values, the ideas are partly morally sound:
- limited government
- rule of law
- fiscal responsibility
- human dignity
Those were the only ones I could find that are most probably agreeable. I agree that fascists are evil but if we put everyone in that basket who wants to take care of their homeland we’re no better than them. We should know better.
Or did I not understand you correctly?
In my opinion, the actions of conservative people and politicians are inconsistent with their stated values.
I agree. Thats why I said it. Conservatism isnt the enemy. People are riled up against each other and ultimately themselves.
There’s a difference between espoused values and practical plans. Conservatives want strong government, draconian punishment to keep people in line, limited social safety nets, and traditional gender roles and family structure. All of this is built on regressive outlook and results from reactionary outlook.
That is what current „conservative“ politicians in certain countries do. What I‘m saying is that we‘re only hurting ourselves if we hate each other. Instead we must agree on things and keep each other honest imo.
One reason why conservatives turn to right wing nutjobs is because someone (populists) promises them answers they can understand. The evidently more educated side instead looks down on them. Its obvious from the derogatory language some people use.
I‘m saying we wont make this world better by killing each other. The enemy is in control of the media and tries to cut off education (paywall it, dilute it) so we‘re easier to manipulate.
I know. I‘m just trying to get peeps from hating each other because this only helps those in power.
From the downvotes I deduce that not everyone likes the idea.
As in the definition of a cult, special language is used to divide us further and cut us off from one another.
Which definition of a cult is that? Because there is no scientific definition. There are models for high-control organizations (a term used specifically because “cult” has too much baggage for scientific methods), and language is only one aspect of information control. Every single organization on Earth will create its own language for things. That alone doesn’t mean they’re high-control.
I’ve been in a high-control organization. It doesn’t work like that, and I think diluting the term to cover such broad categories is insulting to people who have been there.
Saying something shares the mechanics of a cult is not insulting to someone who has been in a cult if that is what you mean.
Its a pattern I recognized. People fight over who is right and left, neo-contra-whatever. Its ultimately not informative and makes misunderstandings more common.
And what I‘m actually saying is that the media is controlled by the same people who benefit from us fighting instead of demanding housing prices go down immediately or wages go up accordingly. Its not that hard. We‘re just told its impossible.
That’s fine with me, I don’t have any interest in “let’s just kill a bunch of people” as an ideology. It’s objectively wrong.
That’s not the ideology though, guillotine memes are essentially just pushing for revolutionary restructuring of the state and economy. Nobody simply thinks “kill rich” and stops thinking there.
Nobody simply thinks “kill rich” and stops thinking there.
That’s news to me, I always got the impression that “???” Was the next step after “kill rich”
More accurately, revolutionary restructuring of society is the first step towards a better future.
The guillotines aren’t necessary if the rich would strive for a better society.
The thing is that they would never agree to that, so then we need the guillotine.
The path to a better society is elimination of Capitalism, so Capitalists aren’t really going to agree to that, no matter how nice it would make things.
Billionaires aren’t people
Believe it or not, they are. Only humans are capable of such cruelty.
This is silly. Billionaires are people, otherwise guillotines wouldn’t be effective.
Right, a society of machines would never create something as vile, insidious and wasteful as a billionaire
In this case it would be self-defense. The only reason anyone thinks otherwise is because the danger posed by a billionaire money hoarder is far more abstract than what most people are accustomed to.
I don’t think people should die but I do think people have a right to steal if that’s what will keep them alive. am I not far left enough
I’m actually surprised by people who think others should just die instead of stealing, if that’s the choice. Who wouldn’t steal?
Guess we won’t know since those people are dead.
It appears symbolism isn’t a trait you possess.
This argument is basically the same as those put forward by the right wing nut jobs that think their second amendment rights to tote a rifle will let them fight against the US govt.
Just because a method functioned a couple centuries ago in a far simpler time, does not mean it will function today. Gotta keep up with the times there gramps.
Did it? Friendly reminder to all that the French Revolution was a failure.
Are you operating under the impression that the French Revolution created the current republic? If so, you’re missing many, many steps. One of which was a fellow named Napoleon who crowned himself emperor.
I’m… agreeing with you…
Ah, was not sarcasm. My mistake.
The replies to this are insane. These people are actively harming millions. Its their fault if the world forms a fist aimed at their faces.
Why is the proposed solution always to just pay people more and not just make things cost less? The only reason I can find is that making things cost less doesn’t provide a scapegoat for everybody to rally behind, even though it would be more effective.
Or just give people food. Where tf u bringing up cost of goods from?
Because the stock market is the economy as far as our leaders are concerned. And they decided that anything other than green line go up is abhorrent.
The solution isn’t either, it’s to collectively own the Means of Production.
Money is a means of determining the distribution of resources. It doesn’t matter if stuff costs less or if people make more money, what matters is that nessecities, at a minimum, are more equitably distributed. You can make that end goal take different forms. Money is a little awkward for that end because you use money to purchase both food and nice cars.
If you get hung in a rut, better lock them hubs in
But have you thought about the shareholders and the executives? They are the ones that really have it bad!
If only those lazy poor people worked harder and pulled themselves up by this bootstraps.
It’s not like we systemically work towards keeping them poor so we can have the power!
Last quarter my 401k dropped by 0.3%! IM THE VICTIM HERE
It’s more that the 401k grew 0.3% the previous. Still growing, still a lot, just not quite as much of an increase.
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To be fair when you have that much money 0.3% is a lot of money (for a poor person)
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My response was sarcastic, but also accurate, and yes that tiny bit could do a whole lot of good
We can’t let the elites got taxed too hard. What if I finally win a lottery and join the elites? My wealth would be sucked dry by the excessive tax!
One of the defining traits of the left is empathy.
One of the defining traits of humanity is empathy.
If you’re not left you’re less than. I said it. I stand by it.Dehumanization of the other
Woaaaah there buddy
I appreciate you
Empathy-like behavior and brain activity has been observed in many animals. Make it less than those as well
Humans are really good at empathizing. But we are also really good at delineating between in and out groups. It was crucial to protect your tribe over every other human. We now have a massive problem of entire countries or even the world being the “in-group” since we have enough resources for everyone to survive.
But those people wanting power are really good at exploiting that group mentality to cause groups to form in people’s minds. Then they use that delineation to withdrawn empathy from those new out groups. And when those delineations aren’t coherent among actual groups, it causes a lot of divisions that can be exploited.
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The average poor Republican would starve to make sure a “Welfare Queen” or “Tweeker” didn’t get a free meal.
Commie. The poor will just trade the food for drugs, might as well throw it away as trash and shoot anyone that gets near it.
Walmart is that you?!?!
Source: I used to work at Walmart and they threw away so much stuff and locked it in a dumpster with constant surveillance
I really wouldn’t mind the whole rhetoric of pulling yourself by the bootstraps if it wasn’t rigged. The system is literally made to make ppl fail.
There’s also the fact that it originated as an expression meaning “doing something impossible” since pulling on your own bootstraps would PREVENT you from getting up.
I’ve always wondered where i would land on the political spectrum if I didn’t live in the US
Do you think the Means of Production should be owned collectively, or individually? Do you agree with horizontal power structures being dominant, or do you believe more in centralization?
There’s a ton more to it, but those 2 questions pretty clearly give you a direction.
Choosing the first options is communism, right?
Collective ownership of the Means of Production is Socialism, generally. Communism is the specific Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society built on the foundations of Collective Ownership along Marxian analysis, but you can have Collective ownership in, say, Syndicalism, Anarchism, Market Socialism, Democratic Socialism, etc.
What is Lemmy.ml’s perception of Lemmy.world for the shoutout?
From what I’ve seen lemmy.ml is basically hexbear lite
So anyone to the right of them is literal Nazis
Pragmatism and nuance are for bigots and fascists, vote third party
[edit] /s, christ-a-mighty
nuance is for fascists
Fuck no wonder no one likes y’all lmfao there’s plenty of nuanced details in everything without it being fascist or bigotry
Pretty sure the general attitude toward .world is that the users tend to be liberals, especially those who came from Reddit during the API fiasco. Generally people who mean well but probably haven’t engaged with the Linux, FOSS, Privacy, Anarchist, Socialist, or Communist communities before coming to Lemmy.
.ml itself is generally more leftist, a common misconception is that there are only Marxist-Leninists on .ml, when there are tons of Anarchists and Socialists as well, just much fewer liberals.
Where Hexbear is a big-tent “dirt bag left” server, and lemmygrad is an explicitly Marxist-Leninist-Maoist server, .ml is actually just focused on FOSS and privacy, and as such tends to attract more leftists than .world.
An example of the differences between .world and .ml I have noticed are on the recent death sentence for the KyoAni mass murderer posts. On the .world version, most seemed celebratory of the death sentence, while on .ml most were deeply saddened by the event but held the belief that the death penalty is wrong fundamentally, and that instead it should’ve been life in prison.
Just my 2 cents as a .ml user.
Yeah I think Republicans and centrist Democrats are involved in a massive gaslighting campaign against the American citizens. ie: the overton window, aka shifting what’s thought of as acceptable towards corporate donors requirements. Empathy is what makes us human.
The people whining are literally brain damaged. Conservatism is legitimately brain damage. Given the harm they do though I have no sympathy.
You’ve got cause and effect backwards my man
Both can be true. Like a communicable disease, someone can have it and someone else can get infected and then also have it.
That study states that brain damage can cause more conservative views, but the reverse isn’t true. Not everyone with conservative views has brain damage.
Tomato tomato.
Idk I live in the south with lead pipes And lead has shown to cause brain damage And conservatives are the last to car about lead pipes
Hell my house sewage is just being pumped under the street cause our streets water main is broken
Yet the city claims it’s our responsibility to pay someone to dig up the street and fix it
We fixed our pipes to the main but we can’t afford to do all of that
What are you saying, you want the government to just bring you clean water? Like, without sewage? Like through some sort of taxpayer funded infrastructure? Fucking commie.
arguable
That is a very interesting research area.
If you don’t let people starve. They’ll learn to be lazy and it’ll be the downfall of our society! /s
we should also get rid of the inheritance tax so I can make sure even more generations of my family will never need to work and be lazy! /s
Yes we need the society to look like Hercule Poirot’s England where you had to wait for your uncle to die, or help them on the way, to get some inheritance.
When I feed the poor, they call me a saint, but when I ask why the poor are hungry, they call me a communist. - Hélder Câmara, an archbishop
Câmara identified himself as a socialist and not as a Marxist, and while disagreeing with , had Marxist sympathies. In the Fallaci interview, he stated, “My socialism is special, it’s a socialism that respects the human person and goes back to the Gospels. My socialism is justice.” He said, concerning Marx, that while he disagreed with his conclusions, he agreed with his analysis of the capitalist society.
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I used to be that guy the first 28 years of my life. Then I realized many so called socialist gvt are backed up by the biggest monopolies, which in turn grow freely thanks to socialist unbalanced rules of competitiveness.
It’s cool to think socialist. It’s not cool to feed the monopoly.
Good thing America doesn’t have any monopolies under capitalism
What a relief!
What are you genuinely talking about? What are Socialist unbalanced rules of competitiveness?
Usually they refer to the government corporations.
Tax should pay for healthcare of all citizens.
Why am I paying tax if I still have to pay to see a doctor?
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